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You know what I love? Getting ejected from my vehicle due to ban lines.

Ranma Tardis
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Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 1,415
09-07-2006 09:49
From: Ryan00 Odets
Anyways Ranma you jump on the soapbox preaching security scripts should be this and that and ban lines need this and that, when as the post above stated you could just get a simulator and have much more fun and not have ot worry about the crap in SL. Yea I agree you cant build your own cool things in those simulators but ya know its still better than getting beat down in SL!

So take this time to plz just stfu and go play air force on a simulator, your is getting old. And nobody really wants to see or read your complaints that you cnat fly in SL anymore!


Looks like you are doing your best to get perm banned before the forums end.

All I am asking for is a setting in the view to make ban lines more visible like at the limit of the draw. It will allow residents who don’t want to see the ban lines not to see them. It will also allow those that want to see them the ability to see and thus avoid them. I would also like to see security scripts have some sort of warning beacon for those that want to see them and thus avoid them. It is not the right to over fly someone’s land but the right to know you are not welcome there and thus avoid it in the first place. Residents that want to lure other residents into their security scripts are GRIEFERS.

I am exercising my right to free speech in the last few hours of the forum. You can do the same by not reading my messages!

We have less than 24 hours to make our messages for the record.
Ryan00 Odets
just a stupid redneck!
Join date: 17 Dec 2005
Posts: 289
09-07-2006 09:50
From: Verkin Raven
I would much prefer if SL improved to the point where vehicles could be enjoyable, because SL is a big social world. The flight sims are nicer for flight but it's pretty empty, and even in multiplay everybody else is flying. In the past it's been fun to pass over some land in a Cubey aircraft and see people below doing their own thing. In SL you could be flying a fictional spaceship and pass by someone on a dragon. So many times I'd meet other boaters on the water. That sort of thing just doesn't happen elsewhere, which makes it such a shame that the act of using vehicles in SL has become more painful over time.

Greater viewdistance, better LOD, a severe reduction (or removal) of sim border crossing effects, and a better universal security warning system would vastly improve the experience without hurting anybody else.
I dont disagree with you at all. Im just tired of Ranma cuing in and putching a bitch when somebody complains,then adding her two cents about how annoying it is. Everybody allready knows Ranma is a annoyed ( and annoying) by the security scripts and ban lines, we dont need her telling us everytime somebody complains.
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Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 1,415
09-07-2006 10:03
From: Ryan00 Odets
I dont disagree with you at all. Im just tired of Ranma cuing in and putching a bitch when somebody complains,then adding her two cents about how annoying it is. Everybody allready knows Ranma is a annoyed ( and annoying) by the security scripts and ban lines, we dont need her telling us everytime somebody complains.


Too bad, it is my right to do so. However our "right" to make these statements is going away in less than 24 hours. The blogs will not replace the forums. If it is your blog and you do not like the message, you can ban the author and delete the message.
Truffle Tiger
Registered User
Join date: 30 Nov 2005
Posts: 30
09-07-2006 11:08
From: Ordinal Malaprop
As far as I know you should be able to detect them using llGetParcelFlags. I don't know how well that works in practice though. I think I might experiment with that.

Ah, right you are, that's what I needed. I was using an old copy of the Wiki on my local machine and missed that.

BTW, Very Cool killer bees gun!!
BamBam Sachertorte
floral engineer
Join date: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 228
09-07-2006 11:45
I think LL should charge people per square meter for turning on the access list on a parcel. Using the ban list should be free, as well as region/estate access lists.
Tiger Zobel
hoarder
Join date: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 391
09-07-2006 19:51
From: Ranma Tardis
The fracked things have DESTROYED flying and boating. They also make it hard to fly from one spot to another. All in the name of privacy and ascetics, you may think it is beating a dead horse but a lot of residents are PISSED!

I am very angry and it will not take much more for me to pull the plug on Second Life. I am limited to private sims that can be trusted. It will not take much more, when they sell SL to a large firm and kiddize it. I will pull the plug!

Hang on... If you're limited to private sims, that means you're not flying on the mainland. (something you admitted to a couple of months ago)
If you're not flying on the mainland, you no longer know what the flying conditions are there.

Just so you know... I fly a *LOT* and the trouble I have is minimal. I fly at 100-200M, above the banlines and below almost all skyboxes...


Stop crapping about stuff you don't have experience of.




That reminds me... have you still got me banned from your groups island because I have the audacity to fly without having all the problems you have on your non-existent flights on the mainland?
Tiger Zobel
hoarder
Join date: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 391
09-07-2006 20:04
From: Ranma Tardis

All I am asking for is a setting in the view to make ban lines more visible like at the limit of the draw. It will allow residents who don’t want to see the ban lines not to see them. It will also allow those that want to see them the ability to see and thus avoid them.
But... they don't go above 50M... since you do all your flying at 200M, why would you want that option? (hell, since most flyers use that height, why would anyone want that option?)
From: someone
I would also like to see security scripts have some sort of warning beacon for those that want to see them and thus avoid them. It is not the right to over fly someone’s land but the right to know you are not welcome there and thus avoid it in the first place.
Aww... is the warning followed by the delay not long enough for you to leave the area?
From: someone
Residents that want to lure other residents into their security scripts are GRIEFERS.
Yep... and just how many people make those lovely builds just so they can lure people into a security script?

I can just see them there, building something while gloating over all the people they can eject... NOT!
From: someone
I am exercising my right to free speech in the last few hours of the forum. You can do the same by not reading my messages!
No such thing here hon...

You don't believe me? Go say something that's terminally against ToS and see how "free" you are to say stuff...
From: someone
We have less than 24 hours to make our messages for the record.

You've managed to leave something for the record all right... unfortunately it's sloppy, smelly and usually left in the toilet.
Joshua Nightshade
Registered dragon
Join date: 12 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,337
09-07-2006 20:44
From: Tiger Zobel
Hang on... If you're limited to private sims, that means you're not flying on the mainland. (something you admitted to a couple of months ago)
If you're not flying on the mainland, you no longer know what the flying conditions are there.

Just so you know... I fly a *LOT* and the trouble I have is minimal. I fly at 100-200M, above the banlines and below almost all skyboxes...


Stop crapping about stuff you don't have experience of.




That reminds me... have you still got me banned from your groups island because I have the audacity to fly without having all the problems you have on your non-existent flights on the mainland?


I fly in the mainland all the time and I have immense problems.

Douchetool. :D
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Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
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09-08-2006 06:58
From: Tiger Zobel
Stop crapping about stuff you don't have experience of.


I made a couple of flights using my jetpack recently. The experiecne was less than happy :( The security scripts now give no warning :( Push attacks resulting in crashing the client server are favored.

From: Tiger Zobel
That reminds me... have you still got me banned from your groups island because I have the audacity to fly without having all the problems you have on your non-existent flights on the mainland?


No, You were not banned in the usual sense. If you can find it you can visit it.
Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 1,415
09-08-2006 07:13
From: Tiger Zobel
But... they don't go above 50M... since you do all your flying at 200M, why would you want that option? (hell, since most flyers use that height, why would anyone want that option?)Aww... is the warning followed by the delay not long enough for you to leave the area?Yep... and just how many people make those lovely builds just so they can lure people into a security script?
Tora Chan, most security scripts dont give a "warning". The ones that do are short and you are just as likely to run into another fleeing the first. There are a lot of skyboxes at 200 meters.
From: Tiger Zobel
I can just see them there, building something while gloating over all the people they can eject... NOT!No such thing here hon...

Remember there are a lot of teens on the net. Why do they like griefing? It is all a big joke to them those lacking respect for others.
From: Tiger Zobel
You don't believe me? Go say something that's terminally against ToS and see how "free" you are to say stuff...

There are limits to speach but not
From: Tiger Zobel
You've managed to leave something for the record all right... unfortunately it's sloppy, smelly and usually left in the toilet.

So you are upset that flyers want to avoid ban lines and security orbs. All things are in the eye of the holder. The record will be gone when Linden Labs becomes part of a big American Company and we are all restricted to PG. If you call my messages kaka what is left to call the latter? Unless you want to see second life turned into "Vitural Disneyland" and the Mickey Linden-Mouse is in charge.
Arken Soothsayer
Reaver
Join date: 23 Oct 2005
Posts: 152
09-08-2006 07:15
Maybe this would work. Have all banned sims, restricted areas, whatever, be "off" the grid. Only the people on the access list could tp to that sim. This way we wouldn't have to bother with them and they'd really get the privacy they want.
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Lupus Delacroix
Wyrm Raider
Join date: 3 May 2006
Posts: 695
09-08-2006 07:27
in the US the FAA has laws about how low you can fly where. Why does everyone assume you have to be flying right next to the ground to have a good tie o.O
Yiffy Yaffle
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Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
09-08-2006 07:29
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Hoshi Kiama
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Join date: 9 May 2006
Posts: 15
09-08-2006 07:41
I still say the parcel fences should be temporary... only in effect while an owner or group member are present on the property or maybe in world, optionally with a timeout period for reconnects etc..

And to those that asked.. no, 15 seconds isn't enough time to figure out what direction to point your balloon moving at 2m/s to get away from a security orb that's at an unknown location and probably configured for too large a radius anyway.

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Verkin Raven
Registered User
Join date: 5 Jan 2005
Posts: 243
09-08-2006 07:41
From: Lupus Delacroix
in the US the FAA has laws about how low you can fly where. Why does everyone assume you have to be flying right next to the ground to have a good tie o.O

Becuase the visibility sucks so bad that if you're flying high enough to avoid the pointless nuclear death security scripts you can't see the ground by a long ways.

Flying IFR is fun and all, but only elsewhere because SL lacks the simulation of those systems and the required NAV/ILS stuff. You're basicly watching the little gps map scroll around. Whee.
Ranma Tardis
沖縄弛緩の明確で青い水
Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 1,415
09-08-2006 08:34
From: Verkin Raven
Becuase the visibility sucks so bad that if you're flying high enough to avoid the pointless nuclear death security scripts you can't see the ground by a long ways.

Flying IFR is fun and all, but only elsewhere because SL lacks the simulation of those systems and the required NAV/ILS stuff. You're basicly watching the little gps map scroll around. Whee.


Even IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) has clouds to look at SL has nothing. Then there are those sim crossings to deal with. BORING!
Tiger Zobel
hoarder
Join date: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 391
09-08-2006 13:52
From: Ranma Tardis
Tora Chan, most security scripts dont give a "warning". The ones that do are short and you are just as likely to run into another fleeing the first. There are a lot of skyboxes at 200 meters.
Says someone who hasn't flown on the mainland in months by her own admission, thus not knowing what the hell she's talking about...

From my own experience, security scripts are not as common as people like to make out, most of them have a warning, (the one we use is set to 8 seconds by default) and most skyboxes are all at 300M+
From: someone
Remember there are a lot of teens on the net. Why do they like griefing? It is all a big joke to them those lacking respect for others.
Yep... which is why all of these greifers are using their 1 day-old unverified accounts to buy land and build something as bait...
From: someone
There are limits to speach but not
But not what? This is a privately owned forum... you have no right to free speech.
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So you are upset that flyers want to avoid ban lines and security orbs. All things are in the eye of the holder.
Deez... read what I said.

I pointed out that your argument is not only useless, but out of date. The ban lines are a lot lower than the heights people fly at, the orbs are uncommon, the areas protected are small and the warnings are longer than they need to be.
From: someone
The record will be gone when Linden Labs becomes part of a big American Company and we are all restricted to PG.
Put your crystal ball away hon...
From: someone
If you call my messages kaka what is left to call the latter? Unless you want to see second life turned into "Vitural Disneyland" and the Mickey Linden-Mouse is in charge.

And in English?
Adrian Sloane
Jedi Knight
Join date: 13 Aug 2006
Posts: 4
09-09-2006 19:40
Yeah, I'm pissed off, too. I can't go in any direction
without running into a Banned parcel or a No Entry.
It means I can't Fly or fly my shuttle without bashing into an invisible wall,
losing my Shuttle or Defiant Class Starship and it really is a pain in the ass.
Surely there is an alternative? If not, find one! I am paying damn good money to participate in this 3D Digital World.
Since we are paying you money, you WORK for US, Lindens!
Get Busy!
Bobby Troughton
distracted
Join date: 4 Nov 2005
Posts: 20
09-09-2006 20:19
I think it's the security scripts that are causing all the problems. Are they even allowable?
Ranma Tardis
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Join date: 8 Nov 2005
Posts: 1,415
09-10-2006 16:22
From: Tiger Zobel
Says someone who hasn't flown on the mainland in months by her own admission, thus not knowing what the hell she's talking about...

From my own experience, security scripts are not as common as people like to make out, most of them have a warning, (the one we use is set to 8 seconds by default) and most skyboxes are all at 300M+Yep... which is why all of these greifers are using their 1 day-old unverified accounts to buy land and build something as bait...But not what? This is a privately owned forum... you have no right to free speech.Deez... read what I said.

I pointed out that your argument is not only useless, but out of date. The ban lines are a lot lower than the heights people fly at, the orbs are uncommon, the areas protected are small and the warnings are longer than they need to be.Put your crystal ball away hon...
And in English?


You forget, even if you get the warning where do you go? Most likely one is bound to run into another security script. It is like have fleed from the Lion and meeting the Bear.
I should of said flying a vehicile, I did a couple of jetpack flights recently which came to bad ends.
Lum Kuhr
Registered User
Join date: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 93
09-10-2006 20:02
From: Tiger Zobel
(the one we use is set to 8 seconds by default)


Wow, even ED209 gave you 20 seconds before blasting you off the face of the map.

Subtract a second to notice the message and 2 seconds to read and comprehend, that leaves you with 5 seconds to figure out which parcel is complaining and get out of there. It takes me more than 5 seconds to turn around when walking on my machine! admittedly I can just walk backwards but if I'm a vehicle I can see how it would easilly become a problem.

Sometimes when flying (not in a vehicle) it can take 5 seconds to respond to my commands to change direction.

So yes, I hate security scripts too. Not too bothered about ban lines, since they just stop you entering. Perhaps ban lines should be altered so they stop you from coming within, say, 10 metres of any prims on the property. This would allow unrestricted flight but stop people entering your house/tower/skybox
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