are orbiters agains the ToS?

How pray tell does it hurt people? Having your avatar orbited does not hurt you - annoy, maybe? Hurt? Get a grip on reality. To even evoke the Nazis is just patently absurd.

Actually, I have the hydraulics in my chair hooked up to follow my current Z-position.

Weapons in SL, regardless of their special features or method of attack, are double edged swords.

Many people, like myself, use them for messing around with friends. Me and my buddies have sat their and orbited, crushed, "nuked," burned, launched, and shot each other for sh!ts and giggles. I've also used weapons in war games in SL. They're basicly toys to be used for enjoyment.

But.. They can also be used to cause grief wich is what most people are complaining about.

In the end what it comes down to is end-user responsiblity. Are weapons, orbiters in this case, illegal? No. Is using them to mess around with your friends illegal? No. Is using them to send random people into orbit for minding their own business illegal? Yes.

You can b!tch all you want, LL isn't gonna ban weaponsmithing in SL just because some people don't like them or can't find a use for them in their SL while there are others who are vice versa.

Well Torley admits to using an orbiter to reach high altitudes for fun - surely a 'legitimate use'...

Or should we AR Torley for, ermmm, self abuse?

NOTHING, either in RL or SL, has only one use. Intent is everything.

And I think you should stop trying to get LL to go thought-police on the scripters.

What I script is none of your buisness. The minute I harm you with it, you can complain, until then, hush.

Technically speaking, having your avatar "killed" does not hurt you - you just get teleported home - but that's still barred.

As Kyrah has pointed out, there are some orbiters/pushers which can cause someone to be logged out of SL, usually by throwing them so high the system can't track them any more, or throwing them high to get clear of obstacles and then pushing them so hard they fly through several sims and the client loses sync and quits/clashes. There are also people making and using them with the intent to develop a weapon that will log another avatar out of SL. (I've met them.)

*woop!* *woop!*

This thread has been officially godwinned.

What a quick Godwin we have here.

And its a bad one at that

Orbiters are OK as long as you're cooler than the person who you're orbiting.

Guys with no shirts and tattoos can orbit whoever they want.

If you have "kaos", "anarchy" or any reference to blood/skulls/ravens/darkness in your name, that's a pretty good shield against the ban hammer, too.

Setting all your sliders 'all left' or 'all right' so that your av is deformed and obese and choosing a name like 'Chowderhead' is a help, too, but that usually only buys you about 3-4 weeks on normal folks.

If you really want to stay immune from abuse reports, you need a tribal tattoo on your bare chest, or call yourself 'Bludpain Kaos' or something. A metal skull belt buckle with glowing red eyes helps, too.

Well, obviously. But at least it's a break from whining about Neuterburger and whatever is happening there.

Sounds fair.

This is why I don't do live help that often. I'll TP to help someone and when I finally get sight back I'm ricocheting off the moon. Fix this. Make it impossible. Add a 'push fence' for god's sake. Please.
Or I'll start handing out active countermeasures that go off when the agent is suddenly out of sight.

What I find more fun is that YOU can be banned for shooting back at the guy who's orbitted you 10 times.

If anyone is capable of causing the client of another user to crash, that is an exploit that LL needs to address immediately - it is a flaw in their system. However, blaming anyone who makes any type of weapon or orbiting device and comparing them to Nazis is just stupid and incendiary.

They are already out there. Divide by Zero Error, I beleive is what it institutes. I may be wrong as I'm not a scriptor, but it crashes your client and sometimes your PC itself.

Things like this come with open scripting. It is one of the downsides we have to react to to have such freedom.

No, I don't think we should envoke the "script police" or anything simular (LL simply does not have the manpower to do such effectively). Nor should we ban any script on the basis of a few individuals abusing it. AR those who abuse it and remove the problem. The idiot doing the abuse.

If you feel a script is written soley for malicious purposes, then AR the script and the creator and submit your opinion and report to LL for review. They can not look through eveyr script, so can only know what is out there by what they see, or by what we tell them.

To the OP; IMO, obitors are for fun for some, so just having one does not make a person a griefer. That's in how it's used.

~Jessy

That's true, and I don't endorse the Nazi comparison.

However there is a difference between
a) making an orbiter and discovering that because of a bug in SL it incidientally causes people to log out, and
b) with knowledge about the SL bug, knowingly making a weapon intended to log people out of SL, or continuing to use an orbiter in the knowledge that it will log the target out and with the intent of doing that to the target.

You can only use a weapon once under clause a), after that, you have the knowledge that it's a logout weapon, whether you like the consequences of knowing that or not

If someone actually says "I have a [weapon] that throws the target off SL", then the fact that they know this shows that using the weapon is not just "innocent"?) orbiting having an unintended consequence, but deliberate exploitation of a bug.

I know that at least one super-orbiter was actually tested to make sure it didn't log people out of SL and any AV distortion it caused was temporary and ended on teleport. I know because I was one of the people it was tested on.

And here I thought orbiters were those little personal satellites that zip around people on dance floors.

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Arbitration ... or ... Orbitration?

Good to see we managed to hit Godwins on the first page, bad to see we're still at it on the third.

I agree creation/posession is a different thing to use but I don't think orbiters are legitimate, even in weapons in a damage sim. What does orbiting have to do with combat?I don't blame most weapon makers who put controls in and don't have high power pushes as a default, it is an expected feature and clearly LL doesn't have a problem with that.

I do think the current situation is bad and should be resolved technologically rather than socially (IE not abuse reports and asking "Please don't shoot people", status_block_push, landowner controls, capping avatar movement, weakening llPushObject... any of them would be a step in the right direction.

Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.

Yes, but I sure would like to see you try and kill somebody with a cucumber.

I built a little gizmo that allows me to literally orbit around someone. It's funny way to annoy a friend.

OMG Griefer!!!!!1!11!

Open mouth, insert whole cucumber, wait for air supply to run out. Works best if victim is restrained somehow.

I must now admit a curiosity -

I've never been orbitted. So if one of you folx with one of those toys wishes to try it out on sometime, IM me in world. Please note this DOES NOT constitute open licence to orbit me without warning.

Do that, and I'll get all Torley on your butt.

Anyway, the nice thing about SL is that this sort of stuff can't really hurt you. Worst case - you are logged out. Feh. Happens all the time anyway.