Even Hookers Take Multiple Forms of Payment...

Why doesn't Linden Labs?

Paypal is not an alternate form of payment, it is playing russian roulette with your money

As some of you may know As detailed in this thread, my main is being held on death row right now

When I called LL I was informed by you-know-who that Linden Labs doesn't accept money orders ( I have the money to pay the bill, just no means that LL has figured out how to accept).

I run a business. I accept personal checks (2 weeks delay), money order, bank checks, western union, credit cards, until I wised up I accepted Paypal, and until we got a few fraudulent orders, COD as well.

As a 1 man business, if I could accept alternate forms of payment, a "laboratory" should be able to figure this out.

I'm boggled by this "laboratorys" inability to do tasks that the guy at the 7-11 can do. I just doubt that collectively they could, in fact make a slurpee...

I have half a mind to take the money I owe LL and use it on a hooker

only problem is, my gf doesn't like this avi...

or hookers

Best thread title EVER!

aww ty

btw, youy like totally bailed on WoW dood. I just got a bunch of leather I had mailed u a month ago bounced back!!!!!

QFT

Well, LL tries to do everything as cheap as possible. When I was a one woman business I took every form of payment (hey Dior ain't free), because I like money. LL has customers working for them for free, so they are willing to cut any corner possible. Think about it.

Good Luck.

If you have no other means to pay for SL other than mpney orders, then you can rent land from other players that do accept money orders and paypal, and not pay LL anything, there also places to buy $L and you can eliminate your stipend.


Edit to add, I totally missed that you dont like paypal.. gosh I am half asleep sorry =/

my gf took over tier for our land before this all happened. she is much more optimistic about the future of SL and the Laboratory than myself...

i didn't click the little radio button tiering down for a couple extra days, thus getting one final bill for tier (with no land). my fault, but shitty use of a buck and a quarter

I had already pretty much decided I wasn't going to pay LL any more money until the product meets my expectations.

right now it is worth pennies on the dollar. i don't have fun wrestling with texture issues, lag and crashes. and when one of my rides breaks...

but thats a whole nother rant altogether

if you didn't realize it by now, this is Mulch's ultra secret ALT

a free lifer

which is what Mulch will become when I pay my bill and spring him from the dark tower at the "Laboratory"

aww Mulch , lol
I edited my post also, but since you are a lifer it dont matter much anyways... I asm just gonna hush now cus I am on so many meds and half aslepp , I am not typing what I am thinking and reading what things say... Peace out A town down!

Yes, I did for a variety of reasons - I am going to begin playing again, I just needed a break. Sorry about that.

Mulch, go to your local convenience store and buy a pre-paid debit mastercard or visa. A few weeks ago, my bank had to reissue all their ATM/Debit cards because of some security breech in some office on the other side of the world. Anyway, all ATM cards from the bank were disabled, leaving a lot of people going, uh... WTF?!

I had some bills to pay that week so I took the money out of my bank, drove down to 7-11 and bought a pre-paid debit card. You can put up to $1,000 on the one I had, but I didn't need to pay out anywhere near that much, so I put just enough on to cover my bills. Called all the places up, made my payments, verified the card was empty and threw it away. Cost me like $10 (not including the bills, of course).

That's odd billing behavior. If you don't own land you are not charged tier, no matter what the little radio button is set at. Mine is set at 1024m, but I am not charged because I don't own any land beyond what's included in my premium membership. You can have it set at $195/month and if you don't own any land, you will not be charged.

I keep mine set to 1024m to save the trip to the website when/if I do buy land.

Mulch,


What do you have against 2006? No credit cards? Did we just defeat the Germans?

I saw those but they required, maybe just in california, maybe the Walgreens I was in only, 2 weeks to mail me the card...

they could recharge the card there, but only if I had the card

I SO woulda bought one weeks ago if I knew it was gonna be this long

but I can only assume that a bank branch can recieve things from HQ, even though I can't seem to. anyway, should be in next week. if not, then i will mail a money order to Sans i guess, ask her to pay it for me, i dunno, its insane

Are you using a wireless internet connection?

not yet, just got a wireless router this wek and procrastinating setting it up.

why do you ask?

maybe my neighbors are as well and are paying by cc via unsecured wi-fi so I can grab their CC number, pay for mulch, and go directly to jail irl?

That is Lee Linden's favorite tech support question. I am glad he was able to help you. Remember to contact your ISP and update your video drivers.

i bit, got me

lmfao!!!!

While I appreciate a good rant, and this was a good one, I gotta side with LL on this one. Don't get me wrong; I agree completely that ideally a company SHOULD be able to accept all valid forms of payment. However, most online services won't. LL's no different.

It's easy to say "My one-man business takes everything I can think of, so you should too" but does your one-man business have 160,000 customers from all over the world? As you well know, every time you accept a money order, a certain amount of physical labor is involved to turn it into liquid cash. Digital payements from credit cards and Paypal, on the other hand, are completely automated and take no labor at all. Were they to accept your money order, they'd have to accept everyone's, and that could add up to one if not several people at LL doing nothing but unpacking payment envelopes and processing money orders all day long. I don't know about you, but when LL makes hiring decisions, I'd much rather they hire another programmer who can improve SL than a clerical assistant to process paper payments. All that, not to mention all the inevitable claims of "I sent you a money order; I swear. It must have gotten lost in the mail."

Again, in theory, I'm all for the ideal that a company should always make it as easy on the customer as possible to give the company money, but realsitically, theory doesn't always hold up in practice.

For example, In the business I ran full time for 12 years before I started my graphics business (still in it in a limited capacity), as crazy as it sounds, it's actually a nightmare when people pay in cash. To the outsider, that seems a little hard to understand. Cash should be the easiest thing to take, right? WRONG.

You see, the business I'm talking about is a sales & marketing business representing a manufacturer. Said manufacturer makes it really easy to take most forms of payment because the customer makes payments out directly to them. All I do is collect the payment, remit it to the factory, and then they give me my cut. However, when a customer pays me cash, I have to write my own check to the manufacturer and then deposit the cash in my account.

On a single customer basis, it's not a huge deal, but when a few dozen people do it at once, it's huge paperwork headache. I'm forced to spend considerable time doing paperwork that could be spent much more productively by making more sales. Add that all up at the end of the year and statistically speaking there's always at least $10,000 in sales lost to that paperwork time. Despite that loss, I still choose to accept cash and deal with the headaches because I want to make thigs easy for each customer, but there have been times when I've seriously considered either stopping taking cash or else charging a fee for it. I haven't made the leap yet, but I've thought about it a lot.

Now obviously my example doesn't apply directly to LL's business model, but the principle absolutely does. There can be very compelling reasons why a company might choose not to accept certain forms of payment, especially those that are labor intensice to liquify. Believe me, they want your money. No company on Earth would refuse to take it without cause. If LL or any other company chooses not to take certain forms of payment, as a business owner myself, I can relate, and I can respect that decision.

Besides, if you've got the money as you say, how about just sticking it in a free checking account, and then paying with a debit card from that account? If you're in the US or Canada, such accounts practically grow on trees, and many banks will give you a card on the spot, so you don't have to worry about the card getting lost in the mail again.

For what it's worth. It sounds like either your current bank sucks or else someone is stealing your mail. Either way, changing banks, or at the very least changing accounts, would be a good idea.



Also, I wouldn't put too much stock in that "paypal sucks" site, or any _____sucks site, for that matter. Remember, anything can be made to look bad. Whether it actually is bad or not is another story altogether. You do realize paypalsucks.com is a front for a PayPal competitor, right?

As for ______sucks.com sites in gerneral, my business has 3 or 4 such "fanclubs" so I've seen first hand the mentality in play when peope choose to take their time to make sites like that. In almost all cases, the sites are either funded by competitors, run by total nutjobs, or both. Seriously, think about the kind of personality it takes for one to actively spend one's time cataloging complaints. Needless to say, people who do that tend to be extremely negative themeselves and easily fixated (dare I say, obsessive).

My experience has been that such people tend to be very good at ignoring what is concrete so they can isolate whatever potentially ambiguous facts they can find. This allows them to feel justified that their complaints technically have a ring of truth to them, no matter how faint that ring might be. Then when they've assembled a large enough collection half truths and inuendos, they color them in the worst possible way, and publish them to attract commiserators. Misery loves company, so these people tend to have no trouble finding eachother, and they become a little community of negativity. Since complaining is the common thread that binds these otherwise lonely and incompete souls together, they conveniently reject any and all explanations besides their own conspiracy theories. Pretty soon, complaining becomes the center of their social structure and practically their entire reason for being.

Think about it rationally for a second, and it's easy to see that Paypal's a business like any other. Their survival depends on keeping their customers satisfied. If you don't like their service, fine; don't use it. Just don't do yourself the disservice of believing hype. Ignore the extremists and those with vested interests, and make your own informed decision.

Oh, and if security really is your concern, I hate to break it to you, but your money's at risk the moment you put it in the bank (as your missing ATM cards might signify). Don't assume you're protected just because banking regulations say so. Banks make mistakes all the time, as do credit card companies, credit unions, wire services, and even money order processors. However, if any of us want to exist with any measure of convenience in this fast paced electronic age in which we live, we have to take those risks. Otherwise, you might as well change your last name to Gunn, move to a desert ilsand, throw all your valuables in a cave, and live on goats and berries and oysters for the rest of your life.

Good Lord, we didn't need a book.


A "Shut up Mulch and have more than one credit card" would have worked just fine.

Hehe, I just started writing and before I knew it, it was an hour later. Oops.

lol

actually it is a check card tied to my bank account

i am the shittiest accountant alive so i don't use checks or credit cards. ill pay now tyvm

also, the link to paypalsucks.com was an abbreviated version of my own hellish experience with paypal which would have derailed the thread to go into

but suffice to say, paypals antics on that site match my own experience, funded by a competitor or not

it is washington mutual. i have enjoyed every second of my experience with wamu, up until feb 1st. then they sent the new card to a 3 yr defunct address despite sending every other bank statement and card, including a replacement card when they compromised my security, to the correct address. they sent it to the wrong address twice, then switched to my PO Box, and still no card...

and I have 1 bank account to make the paperworth you mentioned much more limited

Several established, reputable banks let you buy pre-paid debit cards with no fee if you have an account with them. You can open a checking account online. It takes about 10 days for all the paperwork for the account to be processed. Then you can order your pre-paid cards. My bank offers up to 30 at a time with no fee. Businesses can get more at one time. Here's a list from Visa of banks where you can get a card. You'll have to check the individual sites to see what the fee is, or if it's free:

http://usa.visa.com/personal/cards/prepaid/visa_gift_card_order.jsp

I admit the thread name got my attention.. LOL no im not a hooker

Right here, I think you just summarized a majority of the Off Topic forum.

And no, I'm not disincluding myself from the reach of that comment.