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Silly Enzyme
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08-22-2006 21:07
I have been the subject of numerous abuse reports over the past two months. I would estimate that upwards of 30-40 reports have been filed against me for consistent, negative activity.

I am a griefer! I have no worth to this community. I ought to be banned. Frankly, I expected to be banned a long, long time ago. I have been astonished at my continued admission to SL's servers.

But nothing surprised me more than what just happened to me. After months of griefing activity, with no reprisal aside from a "warning" almost two months ago, I accidentally "crossed" a SL Mentor tonight.

Lo and behold, within two minutes of crossing said SL Mentor, I am subjected to a two hour suspension.

Naturally, I am not objecting to the suspension. It is more than deserved. But I reached a point several weeks ago where my griefing became less about -griefing- per se and more about wondering how long it would be before I encountered -consequences-.

Is it fair that after numerous, numerous reports by the SL community that I only encounter consequences after crossing an SL Mentor? That the community team has thus far failed to respond to several months' worth of abuse reports from "regular" community members but was able to respond with decisive action within TWO MINUTES of an abuse report by a Mentor?

Honestly, is that fair? Yes, I am muck-raising. But one cannot muck-raise without the presence of muck.
Allana Dion
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08-22-2006 21:12
Wow, I can honestly say thats the first time I've ever heard a griefer out themselves intentionally.

You're right, your ass should have been kicked out of here a long time ago it sounds like.

Oh and btw I don't believe you. We'll need some evidence. How about you make a nice accurate list of all of your assanine behavior...err I mean accomplishments of course... and post it here for us. Names and dates please.
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Lost Newcomb
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08-22-2006 21:19
My Dear Griefer,

I believe Linden Labs uses a love-machine type abuse report system. If they got a report from a resident that lead to an expulsion, then a star is awarded to that resident, and any further reports from her would automatically be sent to the top of the list as a reliable report.

If for instance a resident constantly reports bs, and a Linden somehow looks at this (happens rarely that a Linden actually looks at an abuse report vs the automated system), and sees the resident was bs'ing cause of her mental state or current role play drama setting, then that resident gets put in abuse report purgatory. Ie. any further abuse reports from her would be only machine read and the proper response sent dramatically over a period of time with an eventual resolved report as well.

Ofcourse, all of the above is pure speculation.

With loving regards,

Lost Newcomb.

PS: I should have reserved first post. :eek:
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Silly Enzyme
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08-22-2006 21:20
From: Allana Dion
Wow, I can honestly say thats the first time I've ever heard a griefer out themselves intentionally.

You're right, your ass should have been kicked out of here a long time ago it sounds like.

Oh and btw I don't believe you. We'll need some evidence. How about you make a nice accurate list of all of your assanine behavior...err I mean accomplishments of course... and post it here for us. Names and dates please.


Naturally, I cannot post names and dates or else this thread is subject for immediate locking. Nor can I remember the names and dates of all my griefing activities. They were entirely random. I haven't the first clue. I didn't exactly keep logs :).

And I cannot post the name of the Mentor at issue here for obvious reasons.

Naturally, you have no reason to trust me. I understand and respect that. Aside from your own observation that I'm apparently the first griefer to out himself/herself intentionally.

Look, I have no way to prove the veracity of what I'm saying. I'll simply say this:

a) I'll clearly be banned for even posting this, so I have neither anything to gain nor anything to lose

b) Does this not track with your own suspicions concerning AR enforcement? I was initially very surprised by the response but upon a few moment's reflection it kinda made sense, given the overall attitude concerning AR enforcement in the community, or lack thereof.

Look at my account creation date. I have been very active and have only had one purpose.
Susie Boffin
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08-22-2006 21:23
Show me where your mother showed you that it is written that life is fair.
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Osgeld Barmy
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Join date: 22 Mar 2005
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08-22-2006 21:23
linden labs AR flowchart

Report Filed
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report e-mailed to [email]abuse@lindenlabs.com[/email]
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report gets a generic autoresponder sent back to the filer
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report stays in log files, just incase some assbag post's it on c-net
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report put in trash bin
Lost Newcomb
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08-22-2006 21:24
From: Susie Boffin
Show me where your mother showed you that it is written that life is fair.

:eek:
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Silly Enzyme
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08-22-2006 21:28
From: Susie Boffin
Show me where your mother showed you that it is written that life is fair.


You're right: life is hardly fair.

Should we all give up the pursuit of fairness because life is inherently unfair?

This isn't exactly an unreasonable complaint. A general theme in SL is to attempt to apply real life rules, ethics and morals to SL. Would you respond to a complaint of rampant government law enforcement favoritism for an elite few with "life is unfair" in RL? I think not.
Calista Amarula
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08-22-2006 21:33
Hello? Is anyone really reading these posts? When was the last time you heard a griefer this well spoken?

Ask yourself: who does this sound like? Who do you all know that loves to use alts to mess with people?

Who seems bored tonight and might be looking to stir up trouble for fun?

This whole thread is just one big joke, and you are all playing right into it.
Osgeld Barmy
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08-22-2006 21:33
problem is, the only rules on SL are not enforced, unless you spawn a cult of neo NAZI child molestors (then its still a "lets see if this dies out" attitude)

LL doesnt want to police, thats cool in my book .. many other ppl do that

BUT THEY GIVE YOU THE TOOLS TO POLICE YOURSELF

and thats where SL is lacking in that regard
Susie Boffin
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08-22-2006 21:38
From: Calista Amarula
Hello? Is anyone really reading these posts? When was the last time you heard a griefer this well spoken?

Ask yourself: who does this sound like? Who do you all know that loves to use alts to mess with people?

Who seems bored tonight and might be looking to stir up trouble for fun?

This whole thread is just one big joke, and you are all playing right into it.


So are you... :)
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Silly Enzyme
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08-22-2006 21:44
From: Calista Amarula
Hello? Is anyone really reading these posts? When was the last time you heard a griefer this well spoken?

Ask yourself: who does this sound like? Who do you all know that loves to use alts to mess with people?

Who seems bored tonight and might be looking to stir up trouble for fun?

This whole thread is just one big joke, and you are all playing right into it.


TO THE ABOVE-QUOTED: I fancy myself to be a decent writer so I thank you for the praise implicit with the "well spoken" comment. That being said, I honestly don't know "who" you're referring to -- that is, who you think I am -- and would direct you to my account creation date. If I were someone masquerading as some provokateur newbie I'd probably have an August 2006 creation date unless I were -really- clever and well-planned about my forum provokations. Of course, I don't know who you think I am and it's possible this person is capable of this type of planning.

TO OSGELD: My initial griefing exploits were intended to eventually spark a "who should police you: you or LL?" conversation. I actually have no opinion on this subject. The RL corrolary is that LL should police you but it doesn't seem to work here -- largely because of the ease with which one can create an account on here. In RL there are actual penalties for lawlessness. In SL, I generally responded to AR threats with "The horror! The horror!" and continued with my business.

I'm (obviously) not here to court sympathy with people but if it helps you take me more seriously, I will say that for the -most- part I generally griefed very lightly (a small bomb attack or a particle emitter drop) and then ran away, and usually apologized if contacted for followup. I only targetted groups of 3 or fewer people so I never presented any real disruption of business.

My actions were still clearly in the wrong but I have obviously already copped to this :).
Lost Newcomb
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08-22-2006 21:49
Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...


I now dub you SL terrorist.
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Osgeld Barmy
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08-22-2006 21:52
to the Alt accusations ... in my mind there a cupple different types of greifers

the most renound ones are
"durh i can click a mouse and shoot a gun durh im a dumbass"

and the other are the reasonablly well educated
"im bored already with this game thing that has really nothing to do besides being in a 3d chatroom"

but whatever
MadamG Zagato
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08-22-2006 21:54
From: Osgeld Barmy
linden labs AR flowchart

Report Filed
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report e-mailed to [email=abuse@lindenlabs.com]abuse@lindenlabs.com[/email]
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report gets a generic autoresponder sent back to the filer
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report stays in log files, just incase some assbag post's it on c-net
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report put in trash bin
You forgot the part where they send the "Abuse Report Resolution" email and tell the filer it has been resolved and to look on the Damn Police Blotter that shows no indication that you were disciplined...obviously because you WEREN'T!:mad: :confused:
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Dominik Bauer
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08-22-2006 21:58
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Susie Boffin
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08-22-2006 22:00
From: Silly Enzyme
You're right: life is hardly fair.

Should we all give up the pursuit of fairness because life is inherently unfair?

This isn't exactly an unreasonable complaint. A general theme in SL is to attempt to apply real life rules, ethics and morals to SL. Would you respond to a complaint of rampant government law enforcement favoritism for an elite few with "life is unfair" in RL? I think not.


Instead of blaming others for your lack of success as a griefer why not try something new and look into yourself? Maybe you just don't have the proper skills.
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Silly Enzyme
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08-22-2006 22:07
From: Susie Boffin
Instead of blaming others for your lack of success as a griefer why not try something new and look into yourself? Maybe you just don't have the proper skills.


I blame YOU Susie, because I do not believe I have ever griefed a Susie and in this regard I view myself as nothing more than an abject failure.

(please)
IsaDaft Trollop
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08-22-2006 22:25
From: Dominik Bauer


lol, where can I get one of those? I know a couple of friends I'd love to send it to.


Oh, sorry for the derail, carry on.
Steve Mahfouz
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I think I was one of those who banned and AR'ed you
08-22-2006 22:29
From: Silly Enzyme
I have been the subject of numerous abuse reports over the past two months. I would estimate that upwards of 30-40 reports have been filed against me for consistent, negative activity.

I am a griefer! I have no worth to this community. I ought to be banned. Frankly, I expected to be banned a long, long time ago. I have been astonished at my continued admission to SL's servers.

But nothing surprised me more than what just happened to me. After months of griefing activity, with no reprisal aside from a "warning" almost two months ago, I accidentally "crossed" a SL Mentor tonight.

Lo and behold, within two minutes of crossing said SL Mentor, I am subjected to a two hour suspension.

Naturally, I am not objecting to the suspension. It is more than deserved. But I reached a point several weeks ago where my griefing became less about -griefing- per se and more about wondering how long it would be before I encountered -consequences-.

Is it fair that after numerous, numerous reports by the SL community that I only encounter consequences after crossing an SL Mentor? That the community team has thus far failed to respond to several months' worth of abuse reports from "regular" community members but was able to respond with decisive action within TWO MINUTES of an abuse report by a Mentor?

Honestly, is that fair? Yes, I am muck-raising. But one cannot muck-raise without the presence of muck.



at least the last name was Enzyme ? *shrug*
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Silly Enzyme
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08-22-2006 22:35
Heh. If I had known how little anyone would care about this I would never have even brought it up. I'm actually slightly embarassed, heh. Carry on! :)
Leosanni Somme
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Yes
08-22-2006 22:40
I can attest to at least one incident of griefing. It was at my home. There was a subsequent freeze, AR, & report.
SuezanneC Baskerville
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08-22-2006 22:44
Not knowing the names of the people that ARed you, there is no way to know how many of them were mentors or other volunteers. Hence no reason to think action was taken upon first receipt of a report from a mentor or other volunteer.

The abuse report system uses records of past reports. You had received a warning, you transgressed again, so you got an extremely minimal suspension. The escalating sequence of disciplinary responses is occuring in the manner one would expect.

It is possible that volunteer produced abuse reports get a higher percentage of results because the SL volunteers know how to write a better abuse report as a result of reading the instructions and practice, and because they know what not to file an abuse report about.
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Silly Enzyme
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08-22-2006 22:59
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Not knowing the names of the people that ARed you, there is no way to know how many of them were mentors or other volunteers. Hence no reason to think action was taken upon first receipt of a report from a mentor or other volunteer.

The abuse report system uses records of past reports. You had received a warning, you transgressed again, so you got an extremely minimal suspension. The escalating sequence of disciplinary responses is occuring in the manner one would expect.

It is possible that volunteer produced abuse reports get a higher percentage of results because the SL volunteers know how to write a better abuse report as a result of reading the instructions and practice, and because they know what not to file an abuse report about.


Spoken like a true apologist.

So you think it was a mere coincidence that after I was IM'd by a Mentor telling me that I had made a huge mistake in crossing a Mentor I was suspended within two minutes?

C'mon, be realistic. Has ANYone ever been able to get someone suspended within a few minutes of a report -- let alone a few days? Weeks? Months, even?

Obviously there is an icing on the cake factor, here. The abuse system should keep track of past abuses. It just seemed beyond coincidental that it FINALLY kicked in mere minutes after the Mentor I crossed IM'd me to inform me that I'd made a mistake in crossing a Mentor.

But fine, believe what you will. I'll say this: if even 10% of the people who AR'd me were Mentors or other volunteers, SL has an absolutely astonishing staff of volunteers.
Silly Enzyme
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08-22-2006 23:01
From: Leosanni Somme
I can attest to at least one incident of griefing. It was at my home. There was a subsequent freeze, AR, & report.


And just so's you know, your report did absolutely nothing. Until I crossed a Mentor tonight. Her report did something. Within two minutes.

Life's unfair.
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