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Voiced Current Concerns Regarding LL and SL at the SLCC - update

Jake Reitveld
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08-20-2006 22:41
From: Taco Rubio
I expressed Lewis' dissatisfaction with Stroker's products, directly to Stroker, while we smoked cigars and I was drinking stolen whiskey. He seemed very concerned and if I had to guess, he'll probably just quit SL all together. I'll ask him again when I see him today.

Doing my best, Lewis.



Upon further consideration, my client, Taco Rubio recalls that the whiskey he was drinking was not stolen, but was donated anonymously to the cause of celebrating second life. My client denies any knowledge of the origin of this very generous donation, and whole heartedly thanks the donor.

Any suggestion that my client trafficked in or consumed stole beverages is a rumor, and false. My client's statement can only be considered hyperbole to emphasize a point.

Very Truly Yours,

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08-20-2006 22:49
Hmmm, for myself, I would rather put up with stroker's sex products, than LN's preachy whining. Frankly SL is a world where adults can do adult things, within a reasonable set of restrictions. A lot of like sex, and for a lot of us, exploring sex, sexuality and eroticism is an improatan and healthy fatasy. SL is a diverse community, but I suspect that more people would be put off by a policy of no sex than by one of allowing adults materials to be displyed by adults, in adult areas.

It may be breaking news, but sex is a pretty mainstream activity. A lot of people like porn too. There are reasonable restrictions in place now.

Of course if you want the beaver cleaver lifestyle, and sleep in seperate beds..you are free to do what any community can:buy an island, set the restrictions so that it reamins a g-rated at all times.

Your world, our imagination. You can sit on an island and imagine nobody likes sex.
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MagicJustSue Kojima
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08-20-2006 22:51
So we can ask Jake Anything. Um i have it on good authority that Misty Rhodes was the perpretrator in the Case of the Stolen Whiskey. Can you confirm this?
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08-20-2006 22:56
From: MagicJustSue Kojima
So we can ask Jake Anything. Um i have it on good authority that Misty Rhodes was the perpretrator in the Case of the Stolen Whiskey. Can you confirm this?

No whiskey was stolen, as I said previously, the whiskey was donated anonymously.
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08-20-2006 23:18
From: Cocoanut Koala
The posts Enabran has made in this thread are, in fact, the only kind of posts he is capable of making. One has to feel somewhat sorry for a person like that.


Ahem.

Mmm-mm-mm... Meee-mee-mee... Laa-laa-laa...

/me takes a sip of water, breathes

Evening, folks. Thanks for coming out.

Pheww. Okay, here... we... go...

Enabran, in a sudden burst of motion, dons a wig and begins flapping his arms wildly, twisting his head back and forth while issuing the most hysterical and shrill bleating anyone has ever heard outside of a sheep slaughtering pen. The audience can vaguely discern language amid the din, perhaps something to the effect of being "persecuted" and "followed around." Still, this is speculative at best as the hysteria continues flowing without the slightest decline in intensity. Then, with all of the suddenness with which it began, the performance stops and Enabran regards his audience calmly. They know what scene he has just re-enacted. To them, the familiarity is intimate. He bows and exits with the smug satisfaction of the sort of son of a bitch who only those with complete self-assuredness can truly appreciate. It is his last performance of any importance in this venue and it plays to a small crowd. But really, it doesn't matter: he only took the stage for his own enjoyment all along.

Fin.


Thank you for a great run, SL forums. I'm going to miss so many of you. I'm sure we'll meet again. :)
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Osgeld Barmy
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08-20-2006 23:20
dammit, i was in the lobby getting popcorn ...
Lecktor Hannibal
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08-20-2006 23:36
From: Enabran Templar
Ahem.

Mmm-mm-mm... Meee-mee-mee... Laa-laa-laa...

/me takes a sip of water, breathes

Evening, folks. Thanks for coming out.

Pheww. Okay, here... we... go...

Enabran, in a sudden burst of motion, dons a wig and begins flapping his arms wildly, twisting his head back and forth while issuing the most hysterical and shrill bleating anyone has ever heard outside of a sheep slaughtering pen. The audience can vaguely discern language amid the din, perhaps something to the effect of being "persecuted" and "followed around." Still, this is speculative at best as the hysteria continues flowing without the slightest decline in intensity. Then, with all of the suddenness with which it began, the performance stops and Enabran regards his audience calmly. They know what scene he has just re-enacted. To them, the familiarity is intimate. He bows and exits with the smug satisfaction of the sort of son of a bitch who only those with complete self-assuredness can truly appreciate. It is his last performance of any importance in this venue and it plays to a small crowd. But really, it doesn't matter: he only took the stage for his own enjoyment all along.

Fin.


Thank you for a great run, SL forums. I'm going to miss so many of you. I'm sure we'll meet again. :)


/applause :D
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Flavian Molinari
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08-21-2006 00:16
From: Enabran Templar
The funny thing about you, though, Lewis, is that if you were to be confronted in a reality-based bar by someone with whom you have a disagreement, your chin would quiver in fright and you'd look at the floor, the exit and the ceiling before you actually acknowledged the beef.

Big Man at the Keyboard, indeed.



Dude that's some funny shit. I don't know Lewis so I don't agree or disagree but there are ALOT of folks that are keyboard tough guys. It's so funny.
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08-21-2006 00:31
From: Lordfly Digeridoo
There was an outburst by someone at the SL Views meeting about the current problems and frustrations of sim stability and performance, with a tech Linden in attendance. Dunno if it got through.

the Lindens are really nice people. It's extremely hard to stomp up to them and act like a spoiled child when they're just really happy to meet you and talk to you about anything you want.


That Linden's are nice guys shit flys as far as my wallet, business is business so that would never stop me from expressing my opinion. There is a time and place for everything, however, and SLCC isn't either.

I could never see a reason to have an outburst at an event like this unless I felt the need for some kind of revenge against LL or something pathetic like that.

I really hope the event isn't tarnished by a bunch of malcontents.
SunenRec Ayoob
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08-21-2006 04:42
From: Cocoanut Koala
The posts Enabran has made in this thread are, in fact, the only kind of posts he is capable of making. One has to feel somewhat sorry for a person like that.

coco



I couldn't agree more, it must be a real burden having to be so outrageously funny and thoroughly entertaining all the time! :p

*Wipes away tears of laughter after reading Enabrans last post!*

BRAVO! ENCORE ENCORE!! :D
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08-21-2006 12:05
From: MagicJustSue Kojima
So we can ask Jake Anything. Um i have it on good authority that Misty Rhodes was the perpretrator in the Case of the Stolen Whiskey. Can you confirm this?


*Ahem* I have pictures and fingerprints that indicate who was responsible for the stolen wonder tonic at SLCC. They will be available, in a sealed envelope on SLebay later today. Of course, you can rely on my discretion in the matter, if one should want to keep their name out of the tabloids or their client from being punished by said owners of wonder tonic and/or authorities.

And no, Misty was no responsible in any way for stealing wonder tonic. In fact, I have it on good authority that she purchased servings of legally obtained wonder tonic from wonder tonic dispensers.

An no, Misty did not start the riot in downtown San Francisco. Anyone who suggests otherwise should be immediately banned and visited in person by the SL sekrit policia.

~ Revi

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Juro Kothari
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08-21-2006 12:18
From: Lewis Nerd
I wish I'd been there for the 'sex' talk and won the goodie bag... what an opportunity that would have been to tell the guy who makes all those sex products exactly what I think of him, his product range, and the bad image it is tarnishing Second Life with.

I'm sure he would've been trembling in his boots. :rolleyes:
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08-21-2006 12:58
From: Lewis Nerd
I wish I'd been there for the 'sex' talk and won the goodie bag... what an opportunity that would have been to tell the guy who makes all those sex products exactly what I think of him, his product range, and the bad image it is tarnishing Second Life with.

Lewis



I wish I'd been there at any part you were at, what an opportunity that would have been to tell you exactly what I think of you, your annoying rants, and the bad holier-than-thou-hallelujah image that you are tarnishing Second Life with.
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08-21-2006 12:59
From: Lewis Nerd
Just try it, n00b.

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Doubledown Tandino
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08-21-2006 16:19
Well, I'm definitely glad that the tone of the SLCC was joyous, and simply a fun place to be with all the people we all know in SL.... however, from the SLCC feeds (video and audio) I am so very suprised that most all issues regarding SL's current state were washed over, barely talked about, and sort of even joked about... Some of the keynote speakers said things like "There are limitless capabilities to SL... when the grid is actually working" and everyone would chuckle.

I can completely understand how the tone of the SLCC wasn't for arguments and confrontation.. however at the same time, there was so much talk about 'opportunity' 'possibility' and 'the future' but no one brought up the hypocracy of LL, the lies, and the civil unrest of SL currently.

I did enjoy the live feeds, and all of the panels, and keynotes. Big things happening! big things! .... I personally enjoyed a keynote speaker saying "Phillip is quite frugal.. downright cheap"
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08-21-2006 16:31
From: Doubledown Tandino
I can completely understand how the tone of the SLCC wasn't for arguments and confrontation.. however at the same time, there was so much talk about 'opportunity' 'possibility' and 'the future' but no one brought up the hypocracy of LL, the lies, and the civil unrest of SL currently.


the revolution was not televised.
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08-21-2006 19:46
From: Doubledown Tandino
Well, I'm definitely glad that the tone of the SLCC was joyous, and simply a fun place to be with all the people we all know in SL.... however, from the SLCC feeds (video and audio) I am so very suprised that most all issues regarding SL's current state were washed over, barely talked about, and sort of even joked about... Some of the keynote speakers said things like "There are limitless capabilities to SL... when the grid is actually working" and everyone would chuckle.

Plenty of concerns were raised, and discussions had. Unfortunately, we didn't really have the resources to televise that more intimate parts of the Convention, just the big parts. So, you saw the Friday concert, and the Saturday panels and speeches.

What wasn't televised were the groups of 10-15 in hotel rooms (including a Linden in every one I went to), the many outings to bars, the lunches, the dinners, the hundreds of Lindens in the hallways of the Fort Mason Center, and the Sunday sessions which were designed specifically for constructive feedback about SL and Linden Lab policies in general. Those contained a lot more constructive criticism than the parts held on a big stage with 400 people and the press watching. My personal point of concern is Linden Lab's track record on enforcing resident's IP rights; I raised the issue with many Lindens, including ones who have been there since the beginning, and shared some ideas. They were receptive to most of them, as were other residents, and we're now forming a thinktank to proceed forward (contact me if you're interested - in about 2 weeks, so I can catch my breath first!).

I'd like to again thank everyone who helped out and attended; I'll post more when I'm less tired in the morning.

I had a wonderful time at SLCC again this year; while the technology is a cool toy, it's the community we have that makes this place so special. SLCC manages to renew my enthusiasm for our world every year, even when I'm this physically and mentally drained.

:)

Regards,

-Flip
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08-21-2006 19:47
From: Jake Reitveld
Of course if you want the beaver cleaver lifestyle

Dude, I've seen this in SL, and it ain't pretty. ;) Be careful what you wish for, especially since you didn't capitalize "beaver" or "cleaver". ;)
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08-21-2006 20:29
From: Lewis Nerd
I'm sure the Church of the Holy Rezzurection would be more than happy to receive donations as a penance and atonement.

Don't let the fact it's on my land put him off.

Lewis


A church that wants "donations" from a sex ball/toys maker... morning services must get really umm... interesting... or is this a catholic church?
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08-21-2006 22:25
From: Jon Rolland
A church that wants "donations" from a sex ball/toys maker... morning services must get really umm... interesting... or is this a catholic church?


i thought Holy Rezzurection was a gangsta rapper...
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08-22-2006 06:16
From: Doubledown Tandino
i thought Holy Rezzurection was a gangsta rapper...

Ha! Good one.

Back to the thread topic, this article may interest you. Here's a quote from Daniel Terdiman of C-Net News:

From: C-Net News
Discussing real-world gripes
"We're so hard-core about learning things from people using 'Second Life,'" Rosedale said. "They're the ones creating the content. There's such a diversity of things going on in 'Second Life' that when you get an opportunity to talk to people in a different context...you learn things you couldn't get from reading things online that people are saying."

Sure to attract notice are discussions between members of Linden Lab and the user community over several "Second Life" issues that have recently raised red flags.

Among those are what some see as too-frequent software updates that often result in unexpected broken features and the ongoing perception that the "Second Life" user interface is unwieldy. Also at issue: a recent outcry over Linden Lab's decision to shut down its official user forums--a move the company made because it said it has had to devote heavy resources to maintaining the forums, and that there are now a plethora of user-run options.

Full article:

http://news.com.com/A+virtual+worlds+real-world+conference/2100-1043_3-6107044.html

This SLCC isn't for cheerleading, it's for discussion. :)

Regards,

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08-22-2006 06:39
From: Juro Kothari
I'm sure he would've been trembling in his boots. :rolleyes:



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Jake Reitveld
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08-22-2006 09:32
From: Taco Rubio
the revolution was not televised.


Taco is right in some ways, I think important issues were discussed, and especially on sunday I saw no shortage of people adressing LL frankly and a directly about problems and concerns with SL. While I think Phil and Cory's answer to my question about IP was limited..that is necessarily so. i am pleased to know they will be taking what ever steps they are to mitigate the copyright issue.

Ultimately much of what is wrong with SL at this point is about enforcement, and that is not an easy topic. It is clear LL is not going to step in and administer by playing police force to SL. The question is, can they, and do they intent to give tools for enforcement to the community?

There is alot more that needs to be discussed on this issue, it was not going to happen in a conference.

However, Mr. Rubio is correct, the revolution was not televised, and all dfurther customer service complaints will be adressed by M. Guillotine and the SL death squad. PLease forward your RL name and address with any customer service inquiries.
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08-22-2006 17:53
I've started a survey about this, if you were at SLCC or followed the coverage of it, please take it:

http://nwn.blogs.com/nwn/2006/08/postslcc_pollin.html

"At SLCC '06, your concerns over Second Life's current and future issues (user-interface, grid downtime, land management, scalability, IP rights enforcement, etc.) were addressed by Linden Lab Sufficiently/Somewhat sufficiently/Somewhat insufficiently/ Insuffienciently/Don't Know."
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Michi Lumin
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08-22-2006 17:57
A lot was addressed in the breakout/sunday sessions that was not addressed on the Saturday panels. The panels were 45 minutes and could barely get much done besides getting some questions raised. It was not all party all the time. Though I am sure people will continue to think that.
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