Whats up with no Transfer? why?

It's got nothing to do with greed. It's got to do with people paying $200 for an item I originally charged $50 for. Maybe you don't mind people getting ripped off with your stuff, but I do. I minded when they did it with my freebie items, too. How greedy of me. I also mind those people then coming to me and expecting some refund from me because they got ripped off by someone else. It's not worth the hassle.

I'll always pass along items with gift permissions if asked. If that isn't good enough, or you think it's greedy to set my items with my preferred permissions, don't buy anything from me. It really is that simple.

That's fine with me. If you don't feel you got L$50 worth of use out of a shirt and feel the need to get back some of that investment by reselling, then my clothes are definitely not the way to go.

Everyone has permissions they prefer to buy with and sell with. I don't buy anything that isn't Modify anymore. I don't try to resell stuff so I don't care if things are No Transfer, and I've got no problem with IMing a creator and asking for a Gift version.

I rarely buy no copy items because I keep losing inventory and prefer to have back up copies. If I want to buy a gift, I IM the creator and so far, not one has had a problem changing perms for me either way

Erm, unless your stuff was sold "copy/transfer" in the first place... those weren't "parasites", those were "resellers". Resellers make you money, because every sale they make means they have to come back to you to get another thing to sell. They're a huge and essential part of the real world economy.

Then maybe you should have charged $100 for it. Or sell the $50 no-trans version and a $100 trans version. Or sell copy/no-trans and trans/no copy versions.

I prefer clothes to be copy/no-trans because I've got 50 avs and I hate moving clothes around between folders, so I set up versions of the same av in different outfits. I've bought a couple of no-copy/trans outfits for special occasions.

No, sorry. When someone buys 20 shirts from me at $50 each, then goes and opens up their own shop, using MY avatar picture and MY logo on MY boxes (used to sell Copy instead of Contents) and sells the same shirts for $100-$200 each, after they'd removed the Modify permissions, those are parasites. They are trying to make a profit off of my work, my upload costs, my time and effort. The lazy fucks didn't even bother to change the boxes.

Yes, I got the $50 per shirt they bought, and then I got pissed off messages from people wondering why I charged them $200 for something when I'm only charging $50 at another shop, and trying to demand the difference. Asking them to stop did no good. Abuse Reporting did no good. The only thing that stopped it was changing my permissions to No Transfer, so that's what I did.

But they don't. Usually a reseller is just doing a one time sale of something they are tired of. If someone was buying one of Jonq's $L 50 shirts and reselling it for $L200 over and over they would still be (1) creating a false impression that her stuff is expensive, and (2) not showcasing her entire line, because the buyer isn't coming to her store.

This is what I do and it works fine most of the time. However, at this time of year, with many, many people giving gifts to a number of people, most of them targeting a specific day, its easy to see how a popular designer could be overwhelmed with requests for gift items.

There is also the matter of scheduling ... if you are buying a holiday present, you would sort of like that present delivered for the holiday. Asking for gift version to be delivered today sort of takes the fun out of opening your holiday presents.

Im sure many designers would be willing to try to comply with delivery scheduling as well, but there is only so much anyone can do.

One thing I have done is determine if "copy" is really necessary for the gift. If not, asking for a no copy/trans version to use for a gift can be helpful.

Bottom line? Continue to complain to LL about /all/ of the problems with the current permissions. But dont let it interfere with the joy of the season.

I would love to be able to have multiple permissions available, but my store is already a mall unto itself, I can't afford to double my prim count. If people aren't satisfied with having to IM me for gift permissions, then I guess I'll just have to lose that business. Can't please all of the people all of the time, and a large majority of my customers prefer Copy to Transfer, so I'm doing alright.

I don't want to have to raise my prices. I remember too clearly being relatively new and wondering if I should buy some pants or a shirt, because I couldn't afford both, or having to buy an entire outfit when I only wanted the skirt. It sucked. I'm not going to do that just to make some more money per sale. There are enough people charging $500 and up for a single outfit. I prefer to keep my stuff affordable.

I'll keep my stuff Modify/Copy/No Transfer until permissions have an option to seperate Give Away and Resell.

I sell 90% of my items fully transferable. (not houses, or a few odd similar things)

In fact, I *invite* resale. I *want* people to make money from sales of my items.


When I discontinue a number of items in January, I expect there will be some very happy people who got Christmas gifts that are worth far more than they were in December.


Why do I do this?

Because it's worth more to my business than doing otherwise.



I sought to find a way to 100% prove to customers I wouldn't dump copies later; sadly I came up short on this, save for perhaps some kind of serialised registry someday.

I have only my customer's perception of my integrity, and the obvious fact that I'd kill my own business pretty fast if I dabbled in my own antique resale market. As it is, the 9000m+ grounds of West Trade Imports are paid up well into 2007 by the last 30 day's earnings, so unless I take a 'stupid pill' I'm not likely to poison such a business.

For stuff like this I strongly recommend using one of the web based shopping services. On SLBoutique you can have No Transfer items sent to others as gifts, and you never have to worry about whether a creator got your IM (which do get capped frequently) or has the time to work with a specific schedule.

Most of my items are sold mod/no copy/transfer because I understand people like to buy gifts for others or give clothing to friends when they no longer want it. I have special cases where items are sold no transfer, such as The New Zero line I did with Nephilaine and the recent Flux outfit I did with the City Girls. The reason these are sold no transfer is because they include a lot of items and contain an unpacking script (gives folder when object is rezzed).

I make every effort to make sure people have options for gifting. I can be contacted directly to send as a gift to someone or better yet the item can be purchased on SLBoutique.com using the gift option. Sometimes I'll split items between my two main shops, the prim hair I sell is available as no copy in one store and no trans in another so there are both options.

As a customer I usually won't purchase clothing or hair that is no modify. I hate putting on a jacket or top knowing I can't change the sleeves, or pants where I can't change the leg fit. I know there used to be a problem where people would open the texture window on modifyable clothing and steal the texture that way. This is no longer an option and doesn't worry me like it used to. I'm sure there will always be some bug we are unaware of or exploit but I can't stay paranoid.

If you're a creator of hair by the way, please I beg of you make sure your hair is modifyable and can be stretched to fit. I have hair sitting in my inventory right now that I'll never wear because it's HUGE and I can't shrink it . If you're not going to make it modifyable at LEAST fit to a more average size head lol.

Ok, now I'm confused!!!

I've always offered my clothing as No Mod/No Copy/Transfer OK because I thought that was the standard.

Now I see people who only buy Clothing that they can copy or mod. But others want transfer.

So, what can I do?!! You can't please everyone without giving full permissions! Even a resell/give away option won't fix things because you don't want them giving away copies.


So far, when someone wants wants to modify something they've bought from me, i simply give them a mod/no-transfer copy when I'm in world.

If they're selling them in a way that implies you're behind it, without your permission, that's nine kinds of plain and fancy illegal. And that LL didn't do something about it is terrible.

But that's a whole lot more than it sounded like in your first message.

I'd have dropped a wardrobe on the pissed off customers, and I'd probably have gone to copy/no trans, too, with a no-copy "gift box" for L$200.

Well, first, whether the clothes are mod or no mod shouldn't make a difference whether they're transfer or copy. You can set stuff no-copy/mod/trans. I've been given clothes as a gift that I've been able to mod but not copy.

Some people sell two versions. One's mod/trans/no-copy and the other's mod/copy/no-trans. Call the transferrable version the "gift box".

I don't understand why people sell clothes no-mod. What's the logic there?

It doesn't make sense to refuse to buy any no-transfer items, because no-transfer is often not a good idea for you as the buyer.

Here are examples from items I sell...

Vehicles - Copy, No-Transfer.
Never ever buy a no-copy vehicle, because vehicles go missing so easily in Second Life. Cross a sim border too quickly, and that L$500 helicopter you bought could unexpectedly become a L$500 hole in your inventory.

Attachments - No-Copy, Transfer.
Whenever it's reasonable safe to assume that items won't go missing (like vehicles do), I want my customers to be able to give away or resell items. Not only is this helpful for gift shopping, but it's also good for entrepreneurs who want to set up shop.

Regarding reselling items...

There's only two kinds of reselling that I dislike:

1.) Buying items and reselling them at a massive markup. Don't be greedy, don't cheat people. Take a modest markup to cover the efforts of distribution, but don't gouge.

2.) Collecting full-permission freebies, and reselling them at a high price as no-copy items. That's just scummy, and deserves at the very least the frowning of a lifetime. The customer hurts by paying unnecessarily for a crippled item, and the item freebie creator (you know, the person who supplied you with the nice goodies to sell?) wrongfully gets a bad reputation for distributing crappy, overpriced items.

Finally, how do you buy a no-transfer item as a gift?

The web shops (www.SLExchange.com, www.SecondServer.com, and www.SLBoutique.com) all have an option for delivering your purchase to another avatar. That's the best way to buy a no-transfer item for a friend.

Why not get the creator to change the permissions? Your friend probably won't appreciate losing their brand-new no-copy helicopter on the first flight, would they?

One method I intend to impliment in my own shop is the ability to buy a No-copy-trans gift certificate for a particular item. There are always ways to fake these though, so you'd have to be creative in order to make sure that the item is legit. One method I'll be using is to have the cert be a no-copy/transfer item. A prim. The recipient would rez it in world, type a command that would link to the server system I'm putting together, and then the server would send the person who owns the cert the item in question. After that the cert would delete itself using llDie()

If this method would be useful for anyone else, please IM me in world and I will see what I can do to help the other vendors get a similar method set up.