Camping

We'll have to agree to disagree at this point, Suez. Your argument takes in several supporting details that I'm not willing to accept without concrete proof, no offense.


I do know some tech-savvy friends of mine had to build the best computer they could on a $250 or so dollar budget, and the results were fairly minimal. Excluding things like video cards, monitors, cases, et cetera.



My entire point is not whether a person can "break even" investing their time on this. Frankly, I don't think they could. Even if they did, marginal cost held constant, it's simply not the sort of investment you would want to undergo, given the high cost of overhead.

If you're seriously interested in this sort of venture, invest in the securities market. It's far simpler, offers far greater ROI, and doesn't screw over your power bill. Nor does it pay what are effectively slave wages for zombie hours that may or may not actually be paid to you.



So please. I know you're intelligent enough to know this is a bad idea compared to other sources of investment. It pains me to see you essentially saying otherwise in the face of a scheme I find insulting to Second Life as a whole.

Brilliant as it is in its conception, it still brings newbies into the fold of a grind for slave wages. And that should be illegal under any labor law under the sun.

LMAO!
Edit:
If your suggesting we go out and buy more comptuers to make an SL money seat farm.
Then I would agree there are far better investments out there.
Although a person can get a few cheap computers out of it after a month or two of letting them sit. To some of us thats a good deal.
Others who make a lot of money have a different idea on what a dollar is worth.

But if we already have the setup. Why not use it? It would be stupid not to in my opinion.
Free money. No thanks? Say What?

I agree the money chair probably won't last. And I wouldn't buy computers and build up some overhead cost just for something that is starting up in SL.
But the money seats will probably be around for awhile anyway. So long as people want traffic. And when they do go out of style that will probably be because something else will come along that is far better. And probably far more annoying.

Jeffrey, I just find the idea amusing. The idea seems paradoxical, too good to be true, assuming that one has in fact found a good source of income, which I too suspect may not be the case.

Assuming for the sake of discussion that camp chairs are lucrative, with next to zero cost in money and labor, why the heck are are the guys paying the camp chair fees building casinos and paying gamblers and campers - why aren't they sitting a huge number of campers in chairs and playing WoW or riding about town in the Mercedes and Hummers and such their sky high camping incomes pay for?

If there's a source of free wealth here, could the creation of the Second Life camp chair scheme be the cusp point that finally eliminates scarcity and ushers in a new era of infinite wealth for all? (oh god my mouth injury is hurting I am smiling so big now, surely a person willing to say something that silly in public deserves some kind of medal, don't they?)

Did you ever see those old ads they used to have in comic books for the X-Ray specs and magic tricks and spy cameras, delights of immense wonderfulness for practically nothing?

I remember ordering things from those. My dad would try to dissuade me but he didn't want to just tell me no or give me an explanation of sufficient clarity as to rob me of my childhood innocence and have the blame for taking the sparkle out of my eyes clearly traceable to his words. No, he let me order them and get disappointed when the crummy things arrived, thus putting the blame for my cynicism not on him but on the Johnson Smith Company.

Something about the camp chair path to wealth reminds of that.

Here's a link to picture of an old Johnson Smith Company ad to compensate you for taking the time to respond.

There is one unquestionably good part of my camp chair blather, the mention of using AutoIt to do the keypressing that keeps SL from timing out. AutoIt is pretty cool, it's free, and if someone downloads it and learns how to do what I described they may have learned something about programming that they wouldn't otherwise have learned, and maybe that will help them find a better way to spend their time than camping for dollars.

I just thought of another one, but this is actually semi-serious...

What if someone scripted and animated multi-avatar theater, dance, or some other kind of performance that was automated and synchronized. They'd essentially be automatons providing genuine entertainment for others being paid as actors for the use of their avatars. It creates genuine entertainment, rewards those who want some easy money, and would actually be really cool. Three shows nightly

"Rent me as an NPC!"

Now THAT would be cool.

Chip, I was meaning to toss the idea of multi-avatar activity in, although I was thinking of synchronized flying, I have wanted to do or see done manually synchronized flying with independent avatars being run in the normal manner, using the map beacons for people on your friends list to provide the synchronizing capability, which isn't this idea at all, but that's why my multi-avatar avatar rental usage idea turned to flight.

My other synchronized avatar idea is just to make a great big avatar out of a bunch of avatars. I don't have that one worked out too well, but you might, for example be able to use two avatars with proper animations as a pair of eyebrows on a giant face, able to turn up and wrinkle and such. That might be better done with humans running them, or with a human running one AV which is run as slave to the controller AV.

Now I am being reminded of the line dance stands people use, why are those stands that are synchronizing their animations sitting still - why not make them move, it could be a much better display than the static display they offer now.

Enough.

haha, now that would be seriously cool. If you can figure out how to pull it off I'd definitely pay to see that

Hey, how about setting them up like Duck Hunt or the balloon race game? Or something like "Knock all the avs off this stand and win a prize!" Oh oh oh this is great! An entire carnival game sim with camping chairs, and the campers are the targets! Ya think those could be done?

hehe, I don't know, but it sounds like a blast and funny as hell. If people are going to get paid for the use of their avatars, let us actually use them

DUNKING TANKS!!!

I'm still waiting for chip to rez a bunch of those 'Chip Midnight Mystical Prayer Rugs' I made for him back when the whole idea of something like a camping chair was a big joke

Although I never finished the 'lil greasers pizza oven' - I am a big fan of medieval theatre - I'm sure a wagon-theatre and a small scale production of 'Shakespeare in 1:30 seconds' would be doable and hysterical... shit I'd put one up on my land just for the giggle!

Siggy.

It's still sitting out next to my store but I've never seen anyone use it unless I make them. It still makes me laugh every time.



haha, that would be hilarious. The possibilities are endless

human chess board of course!

How true it has become. I remember when you, Paca, and I were kowtowing to Chip on them.

This was almost a year ago... end of January, 2005.





Proof of Siggy's prophecy!

OMG that is worse! ummmmmmm think about the possiblities ))))))
I wonder when are we going to to see a end to this madness..............
I at the point now where I try to explain to newbies when they ask about how to make money .Then a furry comes along and telll them to just sit in a money chair. Now is this the way to educate newbies on the possiblities of making money on sl?
Its so sad these days here

still nobody answered the cost of keeping your computer on and sitting in money chairs i highly doubt that its worth the cost.

Oh, I tried...

I think this is what "Intro to Finance" is for at the Uni. Something about teaching people what's a solid investment and what isn't...

well atleast you tried but others dont seem to understand cost of doing this is not worth it...................

I'm going to have to pull the conditioning card, as much as I hate Psychology. Too many SL residents are refugees from MMOGs, where this is considered an "okay" process at the newbie level.


Which makes me more than a little sad inside. Second Life has, genuinely, altered my perceptions of the traditional MMOs. To the point I cannot touch standard MMOGs anymore because of the mindless grind scheme.

I guess whatever works...

I'm one of those 'refugees' - but once I realised there was no *need* for money (about 8 minutes after logging in), I turned my mind to the real reason I came here - to use the creativity available to make my own stuff and make MY game the way I wanted it to be, rather than following a set path designed by the game organisers.

Maybe it's just because I don't intend making a real life living out of the game that I'm not so bothered about it.

Lewis

No arguments here, Lewis.


But then, I get the feeling that sort of drive is in the minority. :|

Most likely, but then again it was in TSO as well, where I was equally vocal against 'money for nothing' and similar ways of generating fake popularity.

In my store, I've created a 'stereo', which comes with a station change script that is editable, so people can choose preset stations. It's decorated with a few textures and suchlike so it looks realistic, rather than just a box with a function. I get far more satisfaction from someone spending L$75 buying one than I would from gaining L$75 for spending 4 1/2 hours sitting in a camping chair, with my pet rock playing the game.

Lewis

Making you own things might be a thing for future for newbies needing own things other have.
But whats sad is the alts in the game,you have a room of money chairs. then all of the sudden a another person comes close ..QUICKY they switch positions. You just noticed a alt switch. Or you have a person that leaves one chair and then you noticed the person on the side check bring over a alt.........Gesh for waht a crappy 5l per 10 mins:/

Has anyone mentioned using campers for weapons testing?