Teen Grid land sales prove that the FIC exists
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Picabo Hedges
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12-08-2005 13:58
From: Beau Perkins ..verbiage...So just maybe it was a very smart business decision that some parent saw as a decent thing to do. And perhaps you simply want to argue. Seriously... I have no clue about whether or not you have a protective bone in your body - and couldn't care less. However, when something threatens the well-being of my kid, I get concerned. What happened on the TG, as a direct and deliberate decision of a Linden, did that. Maybe not directly. Maybe not this time. But her time on the TG has been affected by this single decision. She just told me that in the first two hours of open time on the TG today four of her peers were discussing whether or not this faux pas by LL foretold the closing of the TG. That concerns me, not just her. Her happiness is important to me and when a adult plays favorites "against" her, yeah, I get concerned and occasionally involved. Should this type of thing continue, LL won't just lose her as a customer, they'll lose me for sure. So, there's your business model. So... you can argue all you want. You're pretty clueless it seems to me. |
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-08-2005 14:50
I'm gonna invent a new writing phrase right here and now: "The message stopper."
There are certain things people say which do nothing more than grind the message to a total halt, because the person reads that and thinks, "WHAT???"
And that's what I thought and where I left off reading, when you said, out of the apparent blue (I'll have to go back and reread, to make sure):
"I bet you are also the same type of person who likes to see corporate advertising in childrens schools. "
"WHAT???"
Maybe after I read the rest of your message, then go over the whole thing a second time, I will be able to figure it out (including this message stopper) and reply to it.
I just wanted to say, these "message stoppers" really foul up communication.
coco
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-08-2005 14:55
OK, Beau, I reread your post - twice - and went back and reread the original post, which went like this:
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"A certain Linden posted over on the TG forums that he deliberately contacted a select number of TG residents, and only them, as a means of selling them large plots of about-to-be-open sims ahead of all other residents on the grid. This was not publicly revealed until after a resident who was not contacted posted about her suspicion that that had happened.
"The 'justification' offered was that this was a misguided attempt to jumpstart lagging land sales on the TG. That particular argument seems fairly ludicrous considering that one of the largest "land barons" on the TG was not contacted at all but got rooked out of the opportunity to pick up any choice locations. For instance, one of the "TG FIC/select" got over 5k of land right in front of the Linden ski chalet and immediatley constructed a mall there. As on the Main Grid, the inroduction of the snow sims on the TG has created a massive land rush and there is no better location than that as this is currently THE primary entry point to the snow sims. Talk about helping out a very small, Linden-selected group of residents."
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Now while I agree that what may seem unfair to me might seem fair to you, but I will go with my own judgment, that if this is what occured, then it is not fair.
I still have no idea where your comment about me being the type of parent who wanted to see corporate ads in the schools came from.
coco
P.S. If these teenagers are too young to play a game in which money is a major aspect, you'd better go over and tell Wells Fargo that.
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Juro Kothari
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12-08-2005 20:43
What a waste of time - thanks Picabo. I still don't understand how secret land dealings threaten your precious - unless, of course, your precious is a baron.
Hmmm....
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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12-08-2005 20:49
From: Picabo Hedges And perhaps you simply want to argue.
Seriously... I have no clue about whether or not you have a protective bone in your body - and couldn't care less. However, when something threatens the well-being of my kid, I get concerned. What happened on the TG, as a direct and deliberate decision of a Linden, did that. Maybe not directly. Maybe not this time. But her time on the TG has been affected by this single decision.
WTF. A Linden tipping off land sales on the TG is not the same as, oh, I dunno, a Linden telling a child molester where your kid lives. Your child is not going to be harmed, emotionally or physically, by a freaking land sale. If their psyche is so fragile that they are traumatized by this alleged "inequality", then I posit that you have been a very bad parent. From: someone
She just told me that in the first two hours of open time on the TG today four of her peers were discussing whether or not this faux pas by LL foretold the closing of the TG. That concerns me, not just her.
Teens gossiping about random things they have no clue about! Go on! You're pulling my leg.
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Picabo Hedges
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12-08-2005 21:24
From: Lordfly Digeridoo WTF....then more useless verbiage... ...I'll take that garbage from a 20-something without kids and put it exactly where it belongs.. in the trash. Grow up and live a bit before you tell anyone what is or is not going to affect their kids. When its your kid, then you can be concerned or not. I'll choose what to be concerned about when it comes to mine. Go back to playing with your prims. |
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Chip Midnight
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12-08-2005 21:49
From: Cocoanut Koala It's about really fundamental principles, which you, capitalist pig though you claim to be, somehow fail to grasp. If you are going to be a proper capitalist pig, you're going to have to address the basic rules of fair play that drive proper business (or are expected to drive it) in this country, and that's to say nothing about government involvement. if we go by your line of thinking, we might as well let each president just appoint his successor, etc. I was at Starbucks yesterday and there was a customer in line ahead of me who was obviously a feted friend of the barista. They were given coffee for free! Why, the nerve! I was outraged that free coffee was not also given to me and everyone else! I will never go there again... er, until tomorrow. I love their coffee and if I wasn't willng to pay for it I wouldn't go there, regardless of whatever deal anyone else gets. I doesn't effect me in the slightest if the person in front of me got theirs for free.
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Chip Midnight
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12-08-2005 21:51
Also, I have to say I find it amusing to read about unfairness on the TG from a concerned parent who also offers instructions on how to bootleg other people's clothing and skins in the same thread. 
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12-08-2005 22:02
From: Chip Midnight I was at Starbucks yesterday and there was a customer in line ahead of me who was obviously a feted friend of the barista. They were given coffee for free! Why, the nerve! I was outraged that free coffee was not also given to me and everyone else! I will never go there again... er, until tomorrow. I love their coffee and if I wasn't willng to pay for it I wouldn't go there, regardless of whatever deal anyone else gets. I doesn't effect me in the slightest if the person in front of me got theirs for free. Starbucks is quite possibly the worst coffee in the North American continent, although I did drink reheated two day old coffee at a gas station once that was comparable once. But I like straight black coffee and thus there is nothing to disguise it's flavor. Just saying... 
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Juro Kothari
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12-08-2005 23:12
From: Picabo Hedges ...I'll take that garbage from a 20-something without kids and put it exactly where it belongs.. in the trash. Grow up and live a bit before you tell anyone what is or is not going to affect their kids.
When its your kid, then you can be concerned or not. I'll choose what to be concerned about when it comes to mine.
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Chip Midnight
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12-08-2005 23:16
From: David Valentino Starbucks is quite possibly the worst coffee in the North American continent, although I did drink reheated two day old coffee at a gas station once that was comparable once. But I like straight black coffee and thus there is nothing to disguise it's flavor. Just saying... ...whereas I usually get four shots of espresso mixed with a quart of milk, sugar, caramel, and whatever narcotic substance they mix in that makes paying $4 for a cup of coffee seem like such a bargain! 
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Juro Kothari
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12-08-2005 23:18
You know what this thread reminds me of?
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Picabo Hedges
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12-09-2005 04:29
From: Chip Midnight Also, I have to say I find it amusing to read about unfairness on the TG from a concerned parent who also offers instructions on how to bootleg other people's clothing and skins in the same thread. And I find it sad, not amusing, that you overlook the fact that I noted I deleted the "bootlegged" items and went out and bought the originals. Selective reading Chip? My actions I can and do take responsibility for. My original post was about LL and its irresponsible actions as they affect the TG - where others beside myself have children. |
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Picabo Hedges
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12-09-2005 04:33
From: Juro Kothari If you didn't want feedback, why the hell did you post this? So all posts seek feedback? Great assumption - but WRONG. Some posts are intended to inform other people of things. You know about the word ASSUME? Well, your assumption about my motivation for the posts lends credence to that little gem. |
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Juro Kothari
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12-09-2005 08:12
From: Picabo Hedges So all posts seek feedback? Great assumption - but WRONG. Some posts are intended to inform other people of things. You know about the word ASSUME? Well, your assumption about my motivation for the posts lends credence to that little gem.
Oh - and let me ask for the THIRD time: how does this endanger your precious? Let's see if you evade it yet again. |
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Lordfly Digeridoo
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12-09-2005 08:25
From: Picabo Hedges ...I'll take that garbage from a 20-something without kids and put it exactly where it belongs.. in the trash. Grow up and live a bit before you tell anyone what is or is not going to affect their kids.
Oh, sorry. And I'll take this garbage from an overprotective, zealous parent and put it where it belongs, too. Soon, we'll have a delicious, festering pile. From: someone
When its your kid, then you can be concerned or not. I'll choose what to be concerned about when it comes to mine.
Go back to playing with your prims.
If your precocious widdle childroon is shitting all over my public space, I have an opinion on the matter. Having kids does not entitle you to more votes in our society, sorry. My opinion is just as valid as yours. And my opinion is your precious widdle childroon should NOT be traumatized by not getting a headsup on a land sale.
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Picabo Hedges
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12-09-2005 08:59
Let's see. Responses to the original post tend to fall into two general categories. First, disagreement with or rejection of the argument concerning LL favoritism towards a select few residents on the TG (as has been repeatedly seen/argued about here on the MG) --- and others are definitely entitled to their opinions.
The second set of comments seems to fall into the "attack the messenger" realm. Well, I got sidetracked by that earlier. 20 lashes for me with the wet noodle. But enough fun.
Feel free to "attack the messenger" some more as a means of distraction if you must. I won't respond to such taunting again.
Disagree with me on the importance of the content of the original post or not. That's what forum posting is about. I posted because I thought it was important enough to bring to public notice here as other parents here have kids on the TG who may not be so selectively favored and may or may not be affected by that same favoritism or favoritism in another form despite paying the same fees.
The original post's content stands and has not been disputed or refuted. The facts speak for themselves as the Linden involved publicly admitted that favoritism WAS involved. Deal with THAT or you're just wasting your time and words.
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Juro Kothari
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12-09-2005 11:54
Picabo - you keep evading my question, which I think could help shed some light on your stand on this:
How, exactly, does this threaten your child?
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-09-2005 12:59
The same way it threatens all of us, on the adult grid, when it happens here, Juro.
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Chip Midnight
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12-09-2005 13:56
From: Picabo Hedges And I find it sad, not amusing, that you overlook the fact that I noted I deleted the "bootlegged" items and went out and bought the originals. Selective reading Chip? No, I did catch that, and was happy to see that your conscience won out. 
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12-09-2005 14:11
From: Cocoanut Koala The same way it threatens all of us, on the adult grid, when it happens here, Juro.
coco
As for how it affects us on the MG - again, how? |
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-09-2005 14:25
I believe she said it threatened the well-being of her child, Juro. Not the physical safety.
coco
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Martin Magpie
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12-09-2005 14:30
From: Picabo Hedges A certain Linden posted over on the TG forums that he deliberately contacted a select number of TG residents, and only them, as a means of selling them large plots of about-to-be-open sims ahead of all other residents on the grid. This was not publicly revealed until after a resident who was not contacted posted about her suspicion that that had happened.
The "justification" offered was that this was a misguided attempt to jumpstart lagging land sales on the TG. That particular argument seems fairly ludicrous considering that one of the largest "land barons" on the TG was not contacted at all but got rooked out of the opportunity to pick up any choice locations. For instance, one of the "TG FIC/select" got over 5k of land right in front of the Linden ski chalet and immediatley constructed a mall there. As on the Main Grid, the inroduction of the snow sims on the TG has created a massive land rush and there is no better location than that as this is currently THE primary entry point to the snow sims. Talk about helping out a very small, Linden-selected group of residents.
So, the FIC does exist - at least on the TG.
Oh, but the teens were told not to worry. It wouldn' happen again and the Linden was sorry. So, it's all water under the bridge now.
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On related TG notes...
Unlike the land rush to the MG snow sims, many teens just released their current holdings and moved --- literally glutting the land market so much that public land in the city sims remains unclaimed three days later.
Also, there are apparently a couple of sweetheart deals where certain residents hold land that does not count against their tier. I have seen a snapshot of one TG'er's MyLand report which shows 0/512 (or should that be reversed?) for the 512 plot listed in his name on the land itself.Ineresting, no?
It seems that the TG economy/subscription rate has massive problems and the Lindens have no clue.
Pinkwater Market Stalls (the equivalent of Brown's her on the MG) are open to Basic account holders only. Believe it or not, Premium account holders CANNOT have stalls there. Likewise, Busy Ben's is open only to Basic Account holders. Premium residents have been told that they should either make stores on their own land, get a stall in Oasis (the equivalent of Luna), or rent space in a mall.
Seems to me that there is a disconnect between who is paying the bills on the TG - Basic account holders, many of whom have free accounts, or Premiums paying tier fees.
It shouldn't be too surprising that direct copies of certain clothing and skin products from the MG have surfaced on the TG. Afterall, all it takes is for a transferee to get to the TG with his/her inventory intact, save a few snapshots to his or her hard disk, do minimal photoshopping to fix any anomlies, upload the new skin/texture and a new creator is assigned to the item with barely a trace of what's occured. A young friend of mine has sent me three snaps of $1500Lplus skins that are selling on the TG which look quite familiar. Tisk Tisk teaching our young ppl to do business this way, "its not what you know kiddies its who ya know " Will there be formal classes on how to embezzle funds from the "Club" next LOL. Will those classes be provided by LL Instructors? Rofl omg unbelievable crapola. Files this one under "TG BS" |
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Juro Kothari
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12-09-2005 14:33
From: Cocoanut Koala I believe she said it threatened the well-being of her child, Juro. Not the physical safety.
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-09-2005 14:51
From: Juro Kothari My bad. Either way, how does this threaten the 'well being' either physical or mental? How? Well, with children, and teenagers, you want them (well, I do, and I figure most parents do) to remain positive in the face of a sometimes unfair world. You want them to be realistic, but always hopeful. You want them to do unto others as they would want done unto themselves. You want them idealistic and enthusiastic, though realistic, but not bitter and cynical and as they approach and begin their adult lives. They will be happier and healthier for this outlook, and better able to do more for themsleves, others and the world they live in. You want them to look out for other people, not just themselves. If you allow them, in good faith, to play SL, you don't want them to learn that there is no sense to the world, and no fair play, and no concern for fair play for others, and that that's supposed to be OKAY, and you sure don't want to pay for them to learn that. That isn't the way the world is, or the way most people expect the world to work, or accept the world as working. You don't want them to learn bad lessons - that you can't expect fair treatment, or even shouldn't expect fair treatment - from playing on the teen grid. coco |
