Some fresh observations

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The LL apologists who have nothing to contribute except whining about people whining need read no further



Hmmm, things may be improving slightly with (53). I just put an alt into my home sim and it's only taken 12 minutes for everything in sight to rez...

Just moved and stuff that rezed is still there. However, stuff outside my initial fov is still grey blocks... Oh well, another 10 mins or so maybe...

Another interesting development, the sim that pre-1.7 had 350ish active scripts, had 1700ish yesterday (yes, I know, I read it) now 'only' has 999 to 1015 - it varies every few seconds(!).
OK, I'll buy the 'we changed the method of reporting' story and won't even entertain the thought it might be to make direct comparisons between the previous version and this one somewhat difficult, but I'm still wading through treacle here, so regardless of the somewhat variable numbers it's still not running as well as it did previously.

And sadly, some 30 minutes after logging on here, 12 minutes for my initial fov to load, another 15 minutes or so waiting for objects a mere 150m away to rez (draw is set at 200 in an attempt to get better performance) I'm still looking at a mass of translucent grey fuzzy blocks... Oh well...

Something I have noticed is that a lot of textures now seem to have more 'bite', so much so that quite a lot of objects now look unrealistically 'cartoony' - so, when things get back to something resembling 'normal' (i.e. pre-1.7) there is going to be a lot of work being done to get things looking the way I like them.

OK, another 5 minutes standing here looking at my island and it's still not rezing, meantime bandwidth swings wildly between 10 and 800+kbps - why?

There's nothing except a few trees on the island from this viewpoint, everything else within view has rezed, and stays rezed thank God, so what's with the massive bandwidth usage?

Right, enough, it simply isn't going to rez in any reasonable time (reasonable? what am i saying? 35 minutes and all my sim hasn't rezed when it just used to be 'there'? Bah!

I'm going back in as me and doing some inventory - nothing else doable really until... no, let's not go down that path.


5 min later...


So, back in as 'me' and welcome to 'grey world'... Standing here and watching the odd grey block resolve... Even the 'ground' texture took a while to appear. This I REALLY don't understand.

I log out able to see everything within visual range. Which surely means it's been stored on the sim server by now, I'd also expect (probably wrongly) that it was cached on my PC?

I log back in, in exactly the same place, and, 8 minutes later things are STILL not rezing!
Something still ain't right. And it seems so fundamental to the function of SL that I can't believe it hasn't been sorted, not by now, but LONG before anyone even considered releasing this.

Oh well, at least I'll get my inventory sorted

Just a suggestion, Vecktor Linden mentioned it last night, try emptying your cache and see if that helps. Only thing I can think of off the top of my head, sorry to hear you're having such difficulties.

Thanks for passing that on Logan, as it's an official suggestion I'll try it - I'm still waiting for a couple of bushes right in front of me to rez, 20 minutes on...

I had considered it earlier, but didn't want to risk another 2-3 day wait while caches restored. Here goes...

Bah! Got to restart! Here goes...

Welcome to grey world!

Now I just noticed something very interesting. The login view - you know, my fov when I logged out - was PERFECT! The bushes (and my island) all crystal clear! Yet in my pre-logout actual view they hadn't rezed!

Um?

Anyway, still waiting... Solid 7-800kbps bandwidth...

YAY! two min after logon and it's all there!

*gives Logan a BIG hug*

Thank you!

Now for a few more tests

What we've "got" is more complaints.

I emptied my cache twice last night to try to see if it would update the map thumbnails. Both times it took about 5-10 minutes to reload all the textures when it used to take about 1 minute usually for things to become "solid" around me. Then again, the .53 build seemed to make a noticible (positive) difference for me when it came to caching and the time it took to load everything around me, might just be my configuration/hardware...

Nope, you're right Logan, it's definitely hugely improved, still laggy as hell, I'm getting about one third my usual personal fps in my sim (and everyewhere else I've visited) but at least I can SEE everything now.

One odd thing I just noticed on a second relog is that stuff IN my field of view is still sluggish rezing, but, now, turn 180 degrees and everything's fully rezed. Which really doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

Oh, and here's a silly one - my Tako down on the docks has an invisi-prim when the sail is furled - and I can see it...

Oh well, one thing I do know is all my flagstone paths are going to have to be retextured - the wat they are rendering now is disgusting. It's as if antialiasing is turned off.

Thanks very much for a positive suggestion Logan, rather than the:
'arr, back when I were a newbie, in V0.0001, then we 'ad REAL issues wi' new releases - so you jus' sit aroun' for a week or so young lady and it'll all come right, you'll see. Arrr *dribble, nod off into senile coma*'
advice of many of the forumati - much appreciated.

Doc,
I have to ask if you did a complete uninstall prior to installing (53)? This came up last evening in Live Help and the word was for the temp fix, with fps issues to do a complete uninstall to include cache then reinstall. If you have good fps rates just the grey texture deal just a cache clear and user settings in the same application data folder. Hope this helps and I apologize for being an apologist.

Got news for ya, Doc. I've only been around SL for two months and I'm not whining at all. Why? Beause I understand what's involved in a project like SL. I also have patience, which has been in short supply around here for the last few days. And lastly, I _listen_ to what long time SL residents have to say about what happens when the grid gets updated like this.

Unlike some people who clearly like reading their own complaints.

Thanks Lektor. Yes I did do a complete uninstall prior to a manual dl of the 1.7 client - but it was worth asking because it's a common enough error.

Some people have the worst luck.

Apparently, when it comes to major updates, I have the best.

My fps is better than it has ever been, thanks to the improvements made in 1.7. Everything was a little odd the first night, but now things are loading fine after an almost-noticeable delay.

It was the same way after 1.6 hit. Everyone was bitching and moaning about some thing or another, but I was running smooth as silk after the first few hours.

I guess I'm just a lucky guy!

edit: also, mb stop trying to run SL on a 486.

kthx

Well I do hope that last wasn't directed at me...

The FACT is that by describing exactly what I was suffering I was able to obtain help from a resident who was kind enough to pass on information. Without this post I wouldn't have received that suggestion.

Furthermore if LL had the faintest idea of how to run a BUSINESS they would have ensured that information was drawn to the attention of all CUSTOMERS, not rely on it trickling down by word of mouth on the forums. And what about non forum users?

Two months huh - and just how much do you have invested in here Dog? It may come as a surprise to you, but there are people in SL who have considerable amounts of real money invested in here and depend on the functionality of the infrastructure for a small matter of income on investment.

In your two months you probably haven't yet noticed how LL plays. When it suits them to be a business, that's what they are. When it suits them to be a Research Project - go on, guess... L$ are valueless, except you can 'make real money' in SL, and so it goes.

Oh well, what's the point - you live in your warm fuzzy little world, I live somewhere else, where the bottom line matters and the customer comes first. Go enjoy yourself. And kindly leave me to carry on as usual.

Also, btw, Doc, you need a broadband connection to run SL. Dialup is too slow. That could explain your troubles as well.

Live help has become a wealth of tips tricks and workarounds also Doc. Hit us up sometime I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

It's what comes of being FIC Enabran... I can't get in myself, but there you go, can't win 'em all.

Oh, 3.2P4E, 4 Gb, 256 GT Ultra, 2Mb DSL, so I don't think that last is an issue, do you?

My, my, things MUST have changed...

Wow cynicism. Disregard my suggestion then. Hope you get it worked out.

Look, I'm so very sorry to have to say this, but that particular harware combination has some issues with SL...

...if you sent your computer to me for a little while I can sort it all out for you!

Actually, hmm, that makes me think of something. My ISP gives me this ridiculously huge pipe (6 mbit). I wonder if the extra bandwidth is what leaves me so comfy after updates?

I'm going to try that cache trick and see if it helps me. (I'm on a mac.)

*Sigh* Sorry Lektor.. Really. But I have to observe that my last experiences with Live Help did not impress. About on par with SL support I'm afraid.

Not getting at you, but I try things a couple of times and if I get negative results I tend to drop it. These days I just ask a Linden. One of the ones who actually are interested in helping people out. Sadly there aren't that many.

Oh, OK Jill... *happily passes Jill her complete PC*

Seeing as I think you are being serious for once..

Yes, maybe, depends on how much bandwidth SL will actually deliver to any one client I'd think. If you have up to or over their limit you'd get your local cache updated pretty smartly I'd think. Having said that the highest bandwidth I ever saw on SL was yesterday - 1200 kbps. Have you seen higher?

Funny that, I seem to remember them saturating my 20 mbps link regularly these last couple weeks