Bad Neighbors!

If we could mute indiviual objects, mute objects by owner, mute parcels, and similar options it would greatly reduce this sort of conflict. The bean makers and the bean haters could coexist peacefully. A muted parcel would just show the land, no objects, avatars, particles, or chat from the parcel's contents.

This is a fantastic solution.

Mmmh. I would like a prison made of beans, hopefully with charred remains of sausages and overboiled spaghetti, next to my parcels rather than just beans and a prison.

Agreed, it'd be a good solution to a lot of problems. This sounds really similar to what somebody in another thread proposed as a solution to people wanting privacy. Sounds like it'd be useful if it could work either way: you could mute your parcel yourself as an alternative to putting up ugly ban lines, or you could mute somebody else's parcel if you didn't want to look at their build. Is it a doable idea? Has anybody made a proposal out of this yet?

My quick guess is, lots more processing for the server and databases creating and checking "location" and settings flags, and lots more work for the renderer. Big slow down all round. Just a guess.

Two ways, I spose. Either the server filters stuff and doesnt send it, or the client gets it but doesn't render it. But that's just viewing. Think about the difficulties with physics. Can't have different people seeing the same balls bouncing off muted or non-muted objects in different directions. Whole thing has big, big implications.

Anyway, isn't the whole point that we have to put up with each other and share the world regardless ? Remind you of anything ?

HEYA TONIA!

First off, my warmest apologies, I spelled your name right the first time and wrong the second. I know what it's like because my name gets mispelled as "Torely" occasionally.

I wrote my OP hoping for the best between you and Cottonteil. Wouldn't that be awesome? You guys hanging out together and doing kewl things? Even if that doesn't happen, I believe there's a long way to go in terms of communication.

What I'm suggesting, really—something that's really being missed here, and often does in discussions of this kind because you really have to live it to know it... is when you deal with an eccentric, don't reason or rationalize certain things with them. It won't work. Instead, strive to inspire them in return with your own uniqueness and creativity.

Three very simple, effective things I've deployed:

1. embracing contradictions
   
2. utilizing the lateral
   
3. koans and metanoia
   

You already know the beauty Cottonteil can create, so if you focus on and accentuate that, you'll bring out a lot more goodness in not only her, but yourself too. You already think her waterfall would look great out there? Fantastic! Let her know that. She may be surprised that you didn't react how she expected.




I've seen this online world cause fear and stress because of its accelerated rate of change. People not getting to know their neighbors, blowing up when they could come over for tea, and one of the most horrible is not throwing your mind+heart into the future and considering the longterm views.


The theme of being able to mute other parcels is a recurring one. Yes, I can see it coming in handy—but it's not a replacement for Residents coming together in the community to make Second Life a better place to live.




P.S. If you want me to "Gojirlla" Cotton, just let me know.

BTW, some Resis asked me where the desert pictured in:



was located. Sorry, I didn't link to the Snapzilla pages but just head to Weber and fly up, up, up in the sky!

well Torley, I wish she was more like you to say the least..and i hope i didnt come off snotty towards you and if i did i apologize

I appreciate her work in other communities just wish she'd show some of that great talent i see there at this place as well... and i thought her and i did get off on the right foot as we had a nice discussion for about a half a hour that day when i'd seen her

i understand shes got different taste but it seems she did this out of haste and revenge and if she wants shes more than welcome to have a meeting with us to discuss this and maybe JUST maybe some rationized compromise can come of it

as for now...we've moved to the skies with our houses and until the wall is removed and something else put there rather it be a house or some piece of art she builds we'll hafta remain in the sky

All the best of hope with it, Tonia. I really hope with the passing of time, things will go well.

Hey! Where are the screenshots of "plungeria" ?

Have you checked her for membership in w-hat?

I must be weird.. I actually kinda like the prison-wall build. For what it is, it's nicely-done. Much better than the bean-fort. But then, I live in a hangar. ^.^;

After reading all this I began to think of the zoning laws again that, at first, didn't seem possible to apply to SL now that everyone has land.

But I'm reminded of something else from a post I replied to about game servers or something. (completly different subject so I won't go into that)
But to bring out my thoughts on the point, A lot of other online games are hosted by just about anyone. And in each server they have a certain rule setup.
As a player we do a search for these servers and they appear on a list. So we can choose.

For example some are FFA servers. This means Free For All. (anything goes.)
Others are CTF. (Capture the Flag) Which is for a totally different kind of game.

The choosing on a list is not what I mean. But the same concept of having a choice for location based on what communtiy standard you want. The zones could be applied to some of the new sims in SL maybe.

I know something like this has been asked before but the answers that put the option asside was something like "It's too late for zoning" or that it would cause a massive uproar to current business.

Why not start it with just some of the new and open sims that has yet to be sold. And leave everything else just as it is. So nobdy is bothered.

Why couldn't the Lindens set some of the unsold land, or new sims, to a certain zoning type? At first it would seem hard to moderate something like that. But if there is already an alternative place to build freely then this situation wouldn't happen as much. And when it does happen, the lindens could actualy do something about it. eventually. lol

Anyway, it would be more security than zoning laws setup by sim owners as some are doing now. As the Lindens won't go anywhere. (So long as the game is still up and running.)

As it is now, you really never know when a sim owner might up and leave. And then have another person take over the place right under your feet. (or around your feet as the case may be.)

Basically I just mean why not have both options. There are buyers for both types obviously. Some like the freedom to do what they want, which I would assume is the majority of SL, and others want a certain type of community to be surrounded by. It would be more realistic and practical I would think.
I mean it doesn't have to be a big change or anything. Just merge the options in with a test sim as they do for new versions of the game. Having one or two empty sims set with zone guidlines. If it works out, then make another. Until most people are happy.

Personally, if that was implemented, I would actually become a land owner for once. I wouldn't mind having a zoned area and a FFA area.
So wouldn't that generate more sales for our community sake?
Or am I the only one who would want both?

Well it was me arguing with Cottonteil, she might have had her reasons for acting like she did; so did I.

Leave me the passageways that are designated protected areas open so I can get through and I'll manage to live with be it beans or whatever and mostly whoever.

And yes, its a free world, or should be; with this in mind I asked her to remove -only- the prims covering maintenance land, which I understand should be for noone/everyone/the odd linden (and where I can just squeeze a vehicle through).

I never said the beans weren't funny, and in fact unique (even in SL)
They were appreciated as such, and I got a laugh off them.
It was just they were blocking everyone else quite a bit, including shutting off the protected strips of land that u learn to love if u try to boat around SL.
(They do serve a purpose, if u build them shut, more people than me will -and did, get annoyed about it.)

I tried to ask nice after they been built over for nearly a week by linking prims to avoid autoreturn. I reported it a bit later, since asking nice got me the replies 'I'll remove it when i get tired of it', 'yadda yadda.'
This is in fact the first time since i start SL I reported anything, it generally has not been a problem communicating earlier.

Firing a 'gun' at her was just as immature as her sliding a big box of beans on to my girlfriends land so we stand pretty even there as I see it.

And we can party anytime, fine with me. Both Cottonteil and you would be welcome over Torley (as anyone else in SL), we usually try to show mutual respect since theres a few coming there to hang out, and a wide variety of people/vampgoth/furry/tiny/etc. from a wide range of nations.

Constructive posts noticed and appreciated.
(both to Torley and others, Ellie Edo concludes hers very nice I think after discussing an interesting technical bit)

I doubt I will post again as I will be busy building stuff or hanging with friends as usual, feel free to IM me in SL if you should want to.

Sigh, just eat all her beans so she can't build with them.

Personaly, I believe that this just prooves that the concept of a single, continues mainland isnt really going to work without some mild regulation. People will be assholes just because they can be.

The best thing for a non-regulated enviroment is private world enviroments, where you can just have a small, detached world of your own - that can be linked or unlinked to other worlds. Sort of like the design in Active Worlds, that actually worked better then SL's current design in this respect.

I didn't realize there was this dramatic thread until someone told me about it. Ok. Let me get this straight.

- I am not a griefer. If I was, you'd see infinitely more disturbing things than prison walls or beans. I just mirror how others treat me. I have no idea in the first place how anyone can get offended by beans. Millions of people put these little fellas in their mouths to keep them going every day. Anyway, people have a right to be evil. Laws only protect the lawful. No one polices evilness.

- Those prison walls, by the way, took effort to do and was part of a project that I never finished.

- Ellie Edo is right. I have a distinct hatred for self righteous and authoritative people that lack a sense of humour. It's one of my many failings. I'm sure there are many others.

- Tonia, the walls were not directed at you, although you had to face it. I bear you no malice. Its your brother Misch there who, I think in a way suffers from a mild degree of dissatisfaction over how I was testing his patience and devirginizing his ocean. And I do enjoy resorting to the childish behaviour of buying up land setting up nice walls around him. Thats something I admit. *edited*

- While I did build over protected land as a temporary measure, I never did overhang any prims over anyone's land. This, to me, is still considered bad practice, regardless of how evil people think I am. Please check who owns what land before saying things like these.

- I am not waiting for someone to come buy up my land for some filthy linden dollars just to get rid of me. Please keep your money to yourself.

- For people who enjoy assuming and theorizing things, keep doing this. We all need more self proclaimed psychological experts on griefers. You are such an enjoyable lot. In actual fact, griefers feed happily on these whiners. Its a fantastic source of nutrition for them. Its this reason that so many thousand self righteous intolerant people get killed while trying to kill others in the real world. This is also how some nations 'solve' problems these days. Just pound the population to pulp, hoping that one day, the pulp might decide to love them for it. But I digress. The amazing thing is, while this was all happening, there was this new guy, cujo7 Flan, who was surrounded by the beans build. He never said much apart from asking what the beans were about. This deserves respect and commendation.

- I purchased the land simply because it appeared much more attractive than what I previously had. Moneta is one of those sims that has lots of protected land, and this in turn allows for more breathing space for experimentation, since it provides a buffer from the neighbouring detritus.

- Regarding open seas being set not for sale. Are you kidding. Every server in SL has to pay and profit for itself. It's naive to think that pretty protected oceans are created just for your benefit of owning a small plot of land facing endless prim free oceans. If you want this, there are many plots of land adjacent to ocean sims, but not in the same sim.

- As mentioned, if you want the perfect piece of land with no 'bad' neighbours, get your own sim and don't complain about the pricing. You can have your own Fiddler's Green. Being poor is no excuse. You're already sitting in front of a computer in a comfy seat while some are hungry outside in the cold wondering how to survive the winter.

- While many have complained about my builds, I never complain to the owners of how butt ugly and lacking in imagination their builds are. People in SL pay for the priviledge of doing these things, regardless how ugly or obnoxious they are. And I respect that, since beauty is subjective. The more land you own, the more butt ugly things you're allowed to build.

- Putting up profanities and pictures of crossdressers as a response isn't the best solution.

- I do not enjoy being shot at repeatedly with push weapons just because I didn't remove my beans from linden protected land. I'm sure some do. Whatever rocks your boat.

- On Samantha's comments that Lindens don't care. This is an unfair statement to the Lindens. They can only do so much in a day. I am wondering now, how many petty abuse reports they get in a day. If they really need to ban me to 'punish' me for causing annoyance to wannabe sailors, so be it.

- For the ones that complained about me here, they failed the 'beans test'.

Anyway, its been a babbling long post. You folks have fun now.

Yup, this is kinda like the proposal I had for not rendering parcels which you don't have access to (see below in my sig), and while I do think this is a very interesting idea Suez, it brings up more difficulties. If I flew over to bean castle which I had "muted" do I collide with said bean castle? Do I then start saying, "WTF am I colliding with"? Does my neighbor (king or queen of bean castle) say, "WTF is my neighbor doing bumping up against my bean castle?!?"

I have mixed feelings about giving us tools to censor and block out other residents work and opinions. On one hand I think it's damned near inevitable here, while I applaud Torley's hopes that people can work these things out as civilized, mature adults, sometimes people just simply cannot see eye to eye or agree to find common ground and get along. I'd probably never use this feature, just as I don't use the "mute" feature in the forums - you never know when someone you were about to mute will make a very useful thought provoking comment... Just like you never know when someone building bean castles may be a very talented builder and a great person. But I'm sure many people would love to see something like this implemented, it's still a very promising idea. Even with the social technical difficulties that would arise, I think this might be a good thing for you to bring up as a vote/proposal, Suez - see if it "flies" and how it might evolve going forward.

That being said, Travis makes a great suggestion that works with the dis-satisfying way things are structured today - put up a wall with your own vignette/scenery - It's your land and your place to make whatever sort of environment you'd like. Just like the land your neighbors own is their land to make whatever sort of environment they would like.

If it was done on a parcel basis it would reduce the work on the renderer and be fairly minimal work for the server. Kind of like a terrain equivalent of an invisiprim.

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