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HTML on a prim - uBroser progress?

SuezanneC Baskerville
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05-17-2006 16:17
Anybody know how the HTML on a prim - uBrowser project is coming along?
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Schwanson Schlegel
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05-17-2006 16:32
Isn't HTML on a prim scheduled for the next release?

:rolleyes:
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05-17-2006 16:35
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Isn't HTML on a prim scheduled for the next release?

:rolleyes:
Just post Havoc2... (when we're all playing Duke Nukem Forever)... and not a day later!
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paulie Femto
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UBROWSER progress
05-17-2006 17:06
Callum Linden (the project lead, last time I communicated with him) indicated that he was leaving the project for other projects. He didn't indicate whether the project was being shelved or handed over to someone else. He did say that his codebase had moved so far past UBROWSER that it was unlikely UBROWSER would even be used. He hasn't updated the UBROWSER webpage or made any public announcement, that I've seen, since February.

Last time I asked in the forums, TORLEY seemed hopeful about the project and said that we might see some HTML inworld soon, as an improvement to inworld menus.

I know Vince Plunkett had done some work on the code, but I don't know if he is still involved.

Maybe the project is waiting for llHttpRequest() - now in preview - to be added first.

Can whoever is working on the project now -if anyone- chime in, here?
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Jarod Godel
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05-17-2006 20:22
From: paulie Femto
Last time I asked in the forums, TORLEY seemed hopeful...
The fact you take anything Torley says as any more than Shilled Fluff negates me caring what you say. The day Torley burbles something that doesn't sound like he's been shrooming, I'll plotz.

I guess Callum got bored, like most Linden developers, and decided to go twiddle himself.

YAY!

EDIT: llHTTPRequest has nothing to do with the web browser, at all.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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05-17-2006 20:46
Sigh, it wouldn't need to be super fancy and 3D and do Flash and all that sort of stuff - just something that would look like the Find dialog, but with text and layout that was user created, would be a great boon.

My question is most certainly not a hopeful naive person's question. Sort of intended as a reminder for those looking for something productive to do, and to let any new programming whizzes that might have joined after the big HTML-on-a-prim buzz died down know about it.

Just being able to display plain static text on a prim would be a great improvement.

That reminds me, I don't suppose we stand any chance of getting any kind of numeric input capability other than typing in the chat window, do we? A text entry prim, a slider prim?
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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05-18-2006 07:46
This is still the feature that's been promised that I'm most looking forward to. I don't think I'm alone. I really hope they haven't given up working on this!

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05-18-2006 07:54
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
This is still the feature that's been promised that I'm most looking forward to. I don't think I'm alone. I really hope they haven't given up working on this!

Regards,

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I can see how it could be beneficial to you, Flip. But for me, it means nothing. Just a bigger client with more bugs. I can wait...
Tod69 Talamasca
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05-18-2006 08:08
Oooooo! HTML on a prim, or anything that lets you view a webpage in SL might even bring my fiance back into the fold. She really doesnt like SL since she cant work on webpages/blogs/journals while in it.

Plus I can see a whole new market opening up if it becomes possible. :)
Torley Linden
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05-18-2006 12:56
From: paulie Femto

Last time I asked in the forums, TORLEY seemed hopeful about the project and said that we might see some HTML inworld soon, as an improvement to inworld menus.


I indeed continue to be hopeful! :) And furthermore, to clarify, inworld *help* is one of the things that's planned to be ameliorated.

Currently, we have F1 key to bring up help. Many have noticed over time it's... oddly enough... hypertext. ;) This makes it a perfect fit to include better documentation in the client. After all, a soretooth.

Now, I'm going to let Callum Linden know about this thread.
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Thanks, Tor.
05-18-2006 14:02
Thankies, TOR. :)
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05-18-2006 14:46
From: Torley Linden
Currently, we have F1 key to bring up help. Many have noticed over time it's... oddly enough... hypertext. ;)
Hooray for Torley! Popping into a thread and completely jarring it off the rails by saying nothing of value. What does this have to do with HTML on a prim? So you guys wrote an embedded browser that can parse maybe sever tags. Hoorah. "Help" won't let me link off my own harddrive, display lists, display images, and I very much doubt it can handle HTTP requests. What was your point again?

Oh, right. Look at the shiny bauble, pay no attention to the topic at hand.

When are they integrating web on a prim anyway?
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Callum Linden
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05-18-2006 14:54
Quick status update on embedding the Mozilla rendering engine (Gecko) into the SL client:

The project certainly isn't dead, although for a number of reasons, I've been off working on other tasks for a while.

The outstanding issues with the Mac version have now been resolved and everything is checked in, ready to test and assuming it passes QA, ready to ship.

As we've stated before, the first (small) step will be to release a floater that renders a big chunk of help text using HTML. Once it's clear that the embedded "browser" doesn't do anything (too) horrible to experience/performance, I'll switch on other functionality - more HTML based floaters, for example.

The "big one" - namely HTML on a prim may have to wait for a little while. Whilst it would be straightforward to put some sort of temporary solution together, we feel it's important to do this properly and not have to deal with poorly designed legacy functionality later on. This really means integration with another new feature that's in the pipeline - I can't tell you what it is as I'm not sure it's public knowledge yet, but it's really cool and gels very nicely with the HTML rendering.

I know you've been waiting on this for a long time and I apologize for the delays - I'm working very hard to make sure it works well and I hope it'll be worth the wait.

Cheers.

Cal.

P.S. I've not had chance to update uBrowser recently - the code in the client has diverged quite a bit from uBrowser so it's not just a case of copying files anymore. Once I'm not slammed, I'd like to get back to it - there are lots of other things I'd like to try with it.
Ricky Zamboni
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05-18-2006 14:57
From: Jarod Godel
When are they integrating web on a prim anyway?

I think it's scheduled to happen some time between Speedtree and havok N (where N>1) integration.
Moopf Murray
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05-18-2006 15:00
From: Callum Linden
The "big one" - namely HTML on a prim may have to wait for a little while. Whilst it would be straightforward to put some sort of temporary solution together, we feel it's important to do this properly and not have to deal with poorly designed legacy functionality later on. This really means integration with another new feature that's in the pipeline - I can't tell you what it is as I'm not sure it's public knowledge yet, but it's really cool and gels very nicely with the HTML rendering.

I know you've been waiting on this for a long time and I apologize for the delays - I'm working very hard to make sure it works well and I hope it'll be worth the wait.


Color me totally unsuprised.
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05-18-2006 15:06
From: Moopf Murray
Color me totally unsuprised.
I can look surprised, watch...

:-o

...but that's just because I'm practiced at being wholly insincere. Why are you WRITING A WHOLE NEW RENDERING SYSTEM FROM SCRATCH?! Your little floater supports html, head, title, body, p, br, b, and a tags. Nothing more. Just embed Mozilla and give us something. GAH! This is like llLoadUrl and llDialog combined, it's not rocket science.
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05-18-2006 15:12
From: FlipperPA Peregrine
This is still the feature that's been promised that I'm most looking forward to. I don't think I'm alone. I really hope they haven't given up working on this!

Regards,

-Flip


I'm looking forward to world peace - thats something that was once promised :)

Lets lay bets on which comes first.
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05-18-2006 15:13
From: Jarod Godel
Hooray for Torley! Popping into a thread and completely jarring it off the rails by saying nothing of value. What does this have to do with HTML on a prim? So you guys wrote an embedded browser that can parse maybe sever tags. Hoorah. "Help" won't let me link off my own harddrive, display lists, display images, and I very much doubt it can handle HTTP requests. What was your point again?

Oh, right. Look at the shiny bauble, pay no attention to the topic at hand.

When are they integrating web on a prim anyway?


You are so desperately in need of intimate companionship.
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05-18-2006 15:20
Todays SL Masterpeice theatre will be starring Flipper as Estragon, Siggy as Vladimir, and HTML on a prim as Godot!
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Jarod Godel
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05-18-2006 15:27
From: Enabran Templar
You are so desperately in need of intimate companionship.
I have two hands that work just fine, thank you. What I lack is an in-world browser. Let's move on that first, then I'll buy you a pair of kneepads.
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Moopf Murray
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05-18-2006 15:36
From: Siggy Romulus
I'm looking forward to world peace - thats something that was once promised :)

Lets lay bets on which comes first.


What odds do I get on arma-fookin-geddon coming first? Oh wait, that's no good....
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05-18-2006 15:37
From: Jarod Godel
I have two hands that work just fine, thank you. What I lack is an in-world browser. Let's move on that first, then I'll buy you a pair of kneepads.


Cute, but not everyone is as cheap as Mrs. Godel.
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Moopf Murray
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05-18-2006 15:38
From: Enabran Templar
You are so desperately in need of intimate companionship.


You know Enabran, what Jarod says about Torley is pretty accurate. Generally it's an awful lot of fluff without actually saying anything. Which is kind of why LL employed him - to diffuse situations in a friednly, positive, non-commital kind of a way.
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Todays SL Masterpeice theatre will be starring Flipper as Estragon, Siggy as Vladimir, and HTML on a prim as Godot!
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05-18-2006 16:14
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Cute, but not everyone is as cheap as Mrs. Godel.
Imagination is free. ;)
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