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What services has LL co-opted and what services will LindenLab co-opt or just kill?

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11-19-2005 08:03
From: Cadroe Murphy
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User programmers in particular are in an interesting position when you view SL as a platform. Because users are restricted to a scripting language and API which are so limited compared to the native code of the software, they can't build components that might compete with a built-in compent of the platform or even be added to it.


Are we sure Bill Gates isn't running LL?

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11-19-2005 08:07
It would be pretty sweet to be bought out by Bill 'Gates' Linden :)
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11-19-2005 09:23
From: blaze Spinnaker
Yah, in the case of GOM, they definitely made some errors.

However, GOM in itself wasn't a problem. I expected it and so did everyone else.

The problem with GOM is two fold:

a- it's not an isolated incident
b- Philip should have realised that these guys didn't know what they were doing. Any good CEO can step in and educate people where they've gone wrong. The fact that Philip was unable or unwilling does not bode well.

Now wait wait wait wait WAIT. I'm trying to grasp this concept of how the promotion steps on players' territory.

GOM - I didn't like the way LL handled that. (1) They didn't put the thing out for bids and plans from anybody doing an exchange service. They went informally and on the quiet to the one they liked best (and the one that was best, in my opinion), and had informal talks and then that fell through. (2) And Lindex is permanent.

PR Promotions - (1) They did put these things out for bids and plans from anybody. That right THERE already makes it terrific in my book. (2) It's a limited-time opportunity, just like the last promotion, to get basics to convert to premiums. (Though if it works well, it will continue, as I understand it.)

So I was upset by the way the GOM thing went down, but perfectly happy with the way the PR things were handled.

I have thought quite a bit, since the hullabaloo over this promotion, trying to figure out why GOM was upsetting to me, and the shopping sites, when they start fiddling with that, may be upsetting to me, but this promotion wasn't.

Maybe it's just a matter of degree. I guess I give much broader swath to promotions that are temporary than I do to things that look more like permanent muscling in. Yet - it's easy for me to understand that this promotion and ones like it will make for fewer customers for the rentals market. And the contest for the education build can make it harder for those have built their entire Second Lives around educating players.

I guess I'm just wild about PR, I dunno, lol. I DO get the connection (finally) - GOM, neighborhood building, educational areas being built, etc. - it just seems like it is more a matter of degree to me. To sum up:

1. This promotion is temporary, at least for now, though the neighborhood will always stand.

2. The neighborhood itself, though, and even any expansions to more such neighborhoods in the future, are still a drop in the bucket compared to all of SL.

3. They've done it before - with Boardman and Brown, right? (And maybe some other one, I don't know.) That didn't mess up people, so it didn't seem like this was anything new to me.

4. They mitigated most of the problems seen previously by putting it up for grabs by any of us, rather than just going to one person or group, like they did with GOM. To me, that is a huge part of legitimizing this sort of thing. Because then it DOES become our piece of the pie, in that anyone can compete for it. (In part anyway - I still realize that the Lindens are the big gorilla and whatever they do has a far greater chance of succeeding than what we do on our own.)

5. The idea is to get more premium players. To me, nothing is more important than getting more premium players! Yes, the oodles of basic players are wonderful, especially for people who sell them things, but we can sell more to premium players, and the Lindens make more from premium players, which keeps us all carrying on carrying on. Premium players are the holy grail!

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11-19-2005 09:25
From: blaze Spinnaker
Yah, in the case of GOM, they definitely made some errors.

However, GOM in itself wasn't a problem. I expected it and so did everyone else.

The problem with GOM is two fold:

a- it's not an isolated incident
b- Philip should have realised that these guys didn't know what they were doing. Any good CEO can step in and educate people where they've gone wrong. The fact that Philip was unable or unwilling does not bode well.



How is this a fact? Do you have transcripts?
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11-19-2005 13:53
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If we could get them to try some taxes we could have a cool tea party rebellion.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-19-2005 14:54
From: Cocoanut Koala
Now wait wait wait wait WAIT. I'm trying to grasp this concept of how the promotion steps on players' territory.

GOM - I didn't like the way LL handled that. (1) They didn't put the thing out for bids and plans from anybody doing an exchange service. They went informally and on the quiet to the one they liked best (and the one that was best, in my opinion), and had informal talks and then that fell through. (2) And Lindex is permanent.


You have a strange fixation on bidding. Not every process is appropriate for bidding. This wasn't a situation of "we want a currency exchange and we want someone to build it for us". This was situation of Linden Lab wanting to bring important controls over the health of the economy out of the hands of solely third parties, while at the same time making currency easier for members to buy, which benefits us all. Linden Lab made an offer to buy GOM and bring that development inhouse. That failed for a variety of reasons, most of which are not public and only those involved know (and those who read the forum drama and think they know do not). As talks failed, Linden Lab still needed to move forward with this project, and developed it on their own.

If Linden Lab decided they wanted to make an image sharing database part of the main client and made an offer to buy Snapzilla, it would be the same thing as what they did with GOM. There would be no way to have a bidding process in that regard either.

Again, the acquisition of another company and the internal development processes of LL are not something we are privvy to, or have ANY SAY in. If they had wanted to purchase iGE, they would have (sorry, AnsheChung.com was not a viable competitor to the other two, as it bought and sold only in limited amounts, and the SLExchange.com market did not exist then). IGE was not an appropriate match though, as they are much larger and deal in other game currencies beyond the L$. There was no bidding process to be opened up. It is odd to criticize them for not using a bidding process when a bidding process could not have been used for what they wanted to do anyway. The only thing they could potentially have put out bids for was on the internal development - but why would they, they have their own software developers?
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09-11-2006 03:41
*thinks* I guess it'd be mean to necropost to threads like this before the forum closes so they're all right at the top for all time?

oh wait... :o
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09-11-2006 05:09
From: Kris Ritter
*thinks* I guess it'd be mean to necropost to threads like this before the forum closes so they're all right at the top for all time?
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oh wait... :o

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