Clarifications About InfoNet

I agree, as that was my first thought when I saw it in the WA. I understood the Linden content, but was baffled by the paid content that was not supplied through LL. I don't know why LL doesn't realize this is why there is all of this hubhub.

Oh yes, one other thing.

Linden said they've offered the opportunity to create "media racks".

Does that mean just objects for displaying media created by others, or does it mean entirely new media channels?

Pathfinder, thank you for the elucidation on this topic. the picture has become much clearer as to what is going on.

LL is not responsible by default for the content on InfoNet due to it being on their land. they simply saw a product they thought would help spread LL related information and decided to become a customer. what's bad about that? sure, there might be conflicting messages, but that's almost to be expected. (note, i don't mean tolerated)

consider this, you buy an InfoNet machine, place it on your land, throw yuor info in it and figure.. cool, people will stop and look because of more info being on there as well. then somebody decides to throw in a negatively themed ad/tour/etc. you're not responsible for that, are you? would you take responsibility for such a thing? i mean, it is on your land.. so you must condone it, right?

honestly, i think this is aweome! LL is becoming a customer of its customers!! this wasn't a project that LL gave to someone, it's a product they liked and decided to make use of it to further integrate the community with LL and each other. the people we're customers of, are becoming customers of their customers. how many other products do you know that will offer that type of opportunity?

also, as far as "how do we know to submit something" goes.. you won't always get this information. not everything LL does is preplanned and doled out to either the community or select individuals, as explained above. sometimes things just.. happen.
if you have a product that you think could help LL with any area at all, anything they might e interested in using to one degree or another, then you don't need to wait for some open bid/call for that type of product/concept. you simply get in touch with a Linden and say "Hey! check out this nifty doo-dad i made! ...want one?"

i still hope to hear that the Second Hell Tourbus is taken off of InfoNet, but that's because it's mean-spirited and if someone wants their product/company/selves to be seen in a favorable light, keeping to some sort of community-friendly guidelines would be a good idea.

He's doing a remarkably poor job of promoting it, then, since this is the first I've heard of it, and I try to go out of my way to look into this sort of thing.

That said, it's a good thing - and I hope LL allows the placement of his own service, if it is truly a similar information distribution network.

Thank you Pathfinder for making that post link available. Here is another one that others might find of interest or helpful in this matter as well.

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Exactly so, Surreal. Freedom of the press is all well and good so long as the press is identifiable and responsible. Any reviewer will at least give the reasons WHY something is so. Additionally, the fact that GNAT itself was planning to do the same with content (read my other post RE Second Hell Tourbus and a new designer's first effort) makes me worry that Second Hell Tourbus was actually something done by GNAT. The card my source received soliciting materials also included the mispelling unbiast (see original poster's posting to compare). Also, when asked further, the representative handing out the cards said clearly that it was GNAT that was to be the sole judge and jury of products and to rate the best of and worst of publicly to "expose rip off artists." Seems like sensationalist make-news to me. And worst yet, the sensationalist make news would be giving wrong impressions to new players that SL's content makers were largely seedy and unhelpful.

I would LOVE an Info-net service that was actually useful and informative and that actually was unbiased. One great way to do this would be to include actual entertainment reviews! Real news! Blacklists by persons with personal axes to grind are the opposite of responsible journalism. Even TV journalists know better.

What people don't seem to relize is that infoNET is a WIP to emulate the Internet in SL as best as possible with the current LSL limitations. InfoNET is NOT a psudo-CNN or other news service. Any and all reviews/reports are simply submitted to GNAT. GNAT DOESN'T have reporters that go around in search of news and entertainment. Why should they? They don't report the news, they just spread it. Majority of their news is submitted from the SL Harold and LL wich are both pretty reliable sources. I understand everyone's issues with the SecondHell Tourbus with how anyone can submit an article and I think some changes need to be made if Squagmire keeps it around (namely no anonymous reports and have someone go out and verify it isn't slander).

Why? Why does LL have to put contracts up for bid, lottery or ANY other method other than what they choose as a private company?

They have NO obligation to give work to anyone other than who they choose and for ANY reasons they choose.

They day that LL is an elected goverment body I'll agree with you. Until then this is THEIR property and they do with it as they please. As a customer your right is to choose not to pay them for services.

Actions by LL in the previous year have changed my view of Government in SL. Now?

I'm all for it. A voice is better than no voice I suppose I am choosing the lesser of two evils at this point. Either that or I'm tired of being told whats going to happen and having to live with those shit decisions.

oh and as for releasing for bidding - there isnt anouther product like infonet so they would of won by default anyway - just saved time

Actually if you looked back a page you would have seen my post about me mensioning there IS another like InfoNET, its just too new and not very well established yet.

Look, in principle, I agree with all of you who are jumping on me for my statement.

It's just that Hot Stove>Bare Hand>Burnt Fingers

For me, it's all about not giving the, "OMG IT'S UNFAIR!!!" people more ammo.

Agreed. Well it sure smacks of playing favorites. A sure way in my opinion of turning their customer base off, and quick.

A) kiss a lot of Linden ass and hope I get picked for their projects. Earning less than min. wage.

or

B) Never become much in SL, but still have my intregrity.


Mar

my source was told quite clearly that it was GNAT who would be evaluating products. Quite clearly it was Squagmire (or someone who misspells identically) who wrote the notecard soliciting products. It was GNAT that was to benefit from yard sales of products after products were evaluated. What about this isn't GNAT? And, GNAT = InfoNet

This is incorrect. Gnat Technologies would not benefit in any way. Any products that are evaluated by us are either returned or deleted. Some, and I do stress some, products might be (depending on the agreements made during the pre-evaluation process) sold at a "yard sale" however ALL of those proceeds would be given to a legit charity organization.

If you have any questions about this just IM me.

Venya Salome
Manager
infoNet FreePress

Infohubs replacing telehubs is just a bad idea, infonet or no.

We have a find function, we have classfieds. The UI should continue to be the primary navigational tool of SL. Improve it, don't repalce it.

A great opportunity to invest in creating a virtual community has been lost in LL's insistence on hubthink. When was the last time you hung out at a payphone talking to strangers who walked by. When was the last time you went to starbucks and saw a bunch of people logged on to the wireless connection talking?

We need to build communities, not pattern traffic flow.

summary:
linden lab hosts a list of landmarks of squagmire and friends favorite places.

OMG horror shock waa waa waa

this is worse that calling Shawn Altmans "cheap ratings" a scam.

(which btw is now the ONLY way to neg rate a preson and it makes a great gift)

I am fine that LL chose Infonet, as it is a already proven functional system. However, I do feel if it is going to go on Linden Land, and they are paying you, then it should be a benefit to the entire community and anyone should be able to get their business listed there.

Anyone can get their location listed in our Directory section. It is not an "exclusive club" or a "friends only" listing. Contact our Directory Manager, Morgana Aubret, for information on how your location can get listed.

Also, if you have a special function/event such as a tournament, fashion show, or anything you'd like to inform the community about just IM me (or drop me a notecard) about ways to submit a Press Release for publication to the FreePress.


Venya Salome
Manager
infoNet FreePress

Everyone please read this, and read it over again.

This is the truth. You CANNOT deny this.

Don't even bother REPLYING to me on this.

they own it, they can do what they want

/shrug

Did you have some kind of problem with being able to do something? What is your problem here?

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Originally Posted by Bird Raven
Everyone please read this, and read it over again.

This is the truth. You CANNOT deny this.

Don't even bother REPLYING to me on this.



Hmmm.... Yeah Summer I'm wondering the same thing. If I recall I did in fact read that post she quoted... And? The InfoNet has many useful features and information for any member of SL. From giving free scripts, games, listening to music, and watching videos. The Lindens happened to back resident created content.

There's signs at all the InfoHubs where the residents can drop a texture and a notecard to advertise their businesses for FREE. We could be having this same conversation about many other SL Businesses. Gnat Technologies just happened to get there first and the Lindens noticed. *shrugs*

I personally enjoy having my InfoNet and have gotten to be friends with Squagmire. So all I can say is WTG Squags


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Also I wanted to add there was a quote by Pathfinder Linden regarding all this. Also I believe my previous posts was on page 2 of this thread quoting Pathfinder.

I don't know who Infonet is, and as a newbie it seems I should. So the question I would ask (aside from the obvious) is - why don't I know about Infonet? Not a troll, just a sincere question for someone in SL for about 1.5 months.