Second Life Forums Archive - What is W-hat? (Not trolling)

Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

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08-18-2006 17:00

I am on the WAss-Hat's ban list.

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Jack Harker

Registered User

Join date: 4 May 2005

Posts: 552

08-18-2006 18:02

From: Eponuts Dancer

Can someone explain? They seem like some Myg0t or something from SL.
Well, from the amount of posts I have it's obvious I'm new.

Griefers and asshats generally. The first group to go on my ban list when we're finally allowed to ban by group membership.

Seagel Neville

Far East User

Join date: 2 Jan 2005

Posts: 1,476

08-19-2006 00:30

Their lslint is very useful for scripters.

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Ordinal Malaprop

really very ordinary

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 4,607

08-19-2006 00:45

From: Yiffy Yaffle

But it is so easy to get someones UUID all you gota do is stand next to them.

Or, in fact, have a sensor within 96m of something owned by them.

lslint is terrific by the way, saves me no end of time.

Hernando Ricardo

Registered User

Join date: 23 Apr 2006

Posts: 3

08-19-2006 01:44

Stop the fursecution! Let neckbeards grow in peace!

Huns Valen

Don't PM me here.

Join date: 3 May 2003

Posts: 2,749

08-19-2006 06:49

From: Lost Newcomb

Issue is like this, W-hat has a key-database, to which some people upload files from their SecondLife folder.

Certain people choose to save their password in SL.

Thus uploading these files put you at risk of having your account details exposed to anyone running a brute force on the upload or any other thing that LL used to hide them locally.

The "key database" is just a map of UUIDs to names. You can't extract their password from that, unless they are dumb enough to use their username as their password.

In fact, there are several other name2key databases out there. They used to cost L$ to query (like, L$1 per UUID.) All the e-commerce stores that serve SL have name2key databases that they maintain on their own, but these are not usually publicly available - they just use them to get the UUID for purposes of delivering product.

Ulrika opened a name2key database a while back but I think it went away. The w-hat one was always free.

And yes, lslint is marvellous for pruning unused variables and functions - it's saved me a few KB of heap here and there. That is a big deal when you are writing large scripts that use lots of code and data.

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Gene Replacement

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Join date: 26 May 2006

Posts: 54

08-19-2006 08:58

Let's compare the three main name2key databases:

w-hat's
http://w-hat.com/name2key

Ulrika's
http://www.ulrikasheim.org/tools/name2key.html

Moopf's
http://www.moopf.com/name2key.php

Ulrika's database allows partial matches, entering just "a" will give you thousands of keys to copy and paste. Both Moopf's and Ulrika's also host a small zip file containing ALL of the keys they've recorded. w-hat's database only allows for a full name search, and doesn't host an entire downloadable database of keys.

Now why is the w-hat database so evil again?

Ordinal Malaprop

really very ordinary

Join date: 9 Sep 2005

Posts: 4,607

08-19-2006 11:51

The answer being of course that it isn't, and none of them are.

Press Escape

Registered User

Join date: 3 Aug 2006

Posts: 6

08-19-2006 13:41

From: Dianne Mechanique

They are your typical griefers in that they are primarily young men in their teens and 20's with a love of all things disgusting, destructive and awful and have no respect for authority, peoples feelings or pretty much anything but their own desires etc. etc.... *yawns*

Do you believe all black people steal TVs too?

Maybe you hide your money in a shoebox incase those darn Jews at the bank might take it, bigot.

Nauv DeFarge

Registered User

Join date: 14 Jan 2005

Posts: 83

08-19-2006 13:45

From: Gene Replacement

Now why is the w-hat database so evil again?

People like to think up fantastic plots so they feel important.

Otaku Farrell

Member

Join date: 1 Jul 2006

Posts: 51

08-19-2006 17:20

I miss Masakazu Kojima.
She was awesome. :/

Devlin Gallant

Thought Police

Join date: 18 Jun 2003

Posts: 5,948

08-19-2006 18:22

From: Press Escape

Do you believe all black people steal TVs too?

Maybe you hide your money in a shoebox incase those darn Jews at the bank might take it, bigot.

What (W-Hat)?, are you in denial? She is absolutely correct in her description of members of SA and W-Hat.

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Strife Onizuka

Moonchild

Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

08-19-2006 20:12

My dealings with W-hat & SA goons have been mixed. I have a number of friends who are SA goons/W-hat members and I have experienced grief caused by SA goons.

W-hat attracts people who like to push the buttons of authority; either because they do not like authority, or they just like pushing peoples buttons. Consequently they have been involved in a number of activities ranging from civil disobedience to outright anarchy; some falling under greifing, others not. Since the W-hat demographic is mostly men in their 20's they typically lack the life experience to gage when they are pushing things too far.

W-hat generally is not an organization that griefs; though it has had a large number of members who were greifers.

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Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
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Lost Newcomb

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Join date: 23 Jun 2006

Posts: 666

08-19-2006 20:35

From: Strife Onizuka

I have a number of friends who are SA goons/W-hat members...

...people who like to push the buttons of authority

figures.

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Leam Cunningham

Troublemaker

Join date: 23 Aug 2004

Posts: 43

08-19-2006 20:47

From: Strife Onizuka

...W-hat attracts people who like to push the buttons of authority; either because they do not like authority, or they just like pushing peoples buttons. Consequently they have been involved in a number of activities ranging from civil disobedience to outright anarchy; some falling under greifing, others not...

Though I'm not a member of this group, I have friends and acquaintances who are. I appreciate how you didn't group them all under a blanket stereotype. Thank you.

On another note, I find it interesting that the self-appointed vigilante groups to combat the griefers are also on the rise. I wonder when the first abuse on the other side will occur...

What is W-hat? (Not trolling)
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	08-18-2006 17:00 I am on the WAss-Hat's ban list. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Jack Harker Registered User Join date: 4 May 2005 Posts: 552	08-18-2006 18:02 From: Eponuts Dancer Can someone explain? They seem like some Myg0t or something from SL. Well, from the amount of posts I have it's obvious I'm new. Griefers and asshats generally. The first group to go on my ban list when we're finally allowed to ban by group membership.
Seagel Neville Far East User Join date: 2 Jan 2005 Posts: 1,476	08-19-2006 00:30 Their lslint is very useful for scripters. _____________________ Seagel Neville
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	08-19-2006 00:45 From: Yiffy Yaffle But it is so easy to get someones UUID all you gota do is stand next to them. Or, in fact, have a sensor within 96m of something owned by them. lslint is terrific by the way, saves me no end of time.
Hernando Ricardo Registered User Join date: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 3	08-19-2006 01:44 Stop the fursecution! Let neckbeards grow in peace!
Huns Valen Don't PM me here. Join date: 3 May 2003 Posts: 2,749	08-19-2006 06:49 From: Lost Newcomb Issue is like this, W-hat has a key-database, to which some people upload files from their SecondLife folder. Certain people choose to save their password in SL. Thus uploading these files put you at risk of having your account details exposed to anyone running a brute force on the upload or any other thing that LL used to hide them locally. The "key database" is just a map of UUIDs to names. You can't extract their password from that, unless they are dumb enough to use their username as their password. In fact, there are several other name2key databases out there. They used to cost L$ to query (like, L$1 per UUID.) All the e-commerce stores that serve SL have name2key databases that they maintain on their own, but these are not usually publicly available - they just use them to get the UUID for purposes of delivering product. Ulrika opened a name2key database a while back but I think it went away. The w-hat one was always free. And yes, lslint is marvellous for pruning unused variables and functions - it's saved me a few KB of heap here and there. That is a big deal when you are writing large scripts that use lots of code and data. _____________________ [ huns? \|\| words \|\| 1TBS KREW \|\| VHI Aircraft \|\| Whitepaper on Aircraft Physics ] Make yourself and your objects immune to llPushObject().
Gene Replacement ......................... Join date: 26 May 2006 Posts: 54	08-19-2006 08:58 Let's compare the three main name2key databases: w-hat's http://w-hat.com/name2key Ulrika's http://www.ulrikasheim.org/tools/name2key.html Moopf's http://www.moopf.com/name2key.php Ulrika's database allows partial matches, entering just "a" will give you thousands of keys to copy and paste. Both Moopf's and Ulrika's also host a small zip file containing ALL of the keys they've recorded. w-hat's database only allows for a full name search, and doesn't host an entire downloadable database of keys. Now why is the w-hat database so evil again?
Ordinal Malaprop really very ordinary Join date: 9 Sep 2005 Posts: 4,607	08-19-2006 11:51 The answer being of course that it isn't, and none of them are.
Press Escape Registered User Join date: 3 Aug 2006 Posts: 6	08-19-2006 13:41 From: Dianne Mechanique They are your typical griefers in that they are primarily young men in their teens and 20's with a love of all things disgusting, destructive and awful and have no respect for authority, peoples feelings or pretty much anything but their own desires etc. etc.... yawns Do you believe all black people steal TVs too? Maybe you hide your money in a shoebox incase those darn Jews at the bank might take it, bigot.
Nauv DeFarge Registered User Join date: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 83	08-19-2006 13:45 From: Gene Replacement Now why is the w-hat database so evil again? People like to think up fantastic plots so they feel important.
Otaku Farrell Member Join date: 1 Jul 2006 Posts: 51	08-19-2006 17:20 I miss Masakazu Kojima. She was awesome. :/
Devlin Gallant Thought Police Join date: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 5,948	08-19-2006 18:22 From: Press Escape Do you believe all black people steal TVs too? Maybe you hide your money in a shoebox incase those darn Jews at the bank might take it, bigot. What (W-Hat)?, are you in denial? She is absolutely correct in her description of members of SA and W-Hat. _____________________ I LIKE children, I've just never been able to finish a whole one.
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	08-19-2006 20:12 My dealings with W-hat & SA goons have been mixed. I have a number of friends who are SA goons/W-hat members and I have experienced grief caused by SA goons. W-hat attracts people who like to push the buttons of authority; either because they do not like authority, or they just like pushing peoples buttons. Consequently they have been involved in a number of activities ranging from civil disobedience to outright anarchy; some falling under greifing, others not. Since the W-hat demographic is mostly men in their 20's they typically lack the life experience to gage when they are pushing things too far. W-hat generally is not an organization that griefs; though it has had a large number of members who were greifers. -------- Raciest comments are not permissible under the Community Standards. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Lost Newcomb Registered User Join date: 23 Jun 2006 Posts: 666	08-19-2006 20:35 From: Strife Onizuka I have a number of friends who are SA goons/W-hat members... ...people who like to push the buttons of authority figures. _____________________ I'm the uncontested Ubar of All of Gor, and Knight of SecondLife. Proper way to greet me : Sir Lost, Ubar Lost, or if your so inclined, Master Newcomb.
Leam Cunningham Troublemaker Join date: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 43	08-19-2006 20:47 From: Strife Onizuka ...W-hat attracts people who like to push the buttons of authority; either because they do not like authority, or they just like pushing peoples buttons. Consequently they have been involved in a number of activities ranging from civil disobedience to outright anarchy; some falling under greifing, others not... Though I'm not a member of this group, I have friends and acquaintances who are. I appreciate how you didn't group them all under a blanket stereotype. Thank you. On another note, I find it interesting that the self-appointed vigilante groups to combat the griefers are also on the rise. I wonder when the first abuse on the other side will occur...

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