Should LL Enact a Sales / Transfer Tax to Fund Events?
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Shadow Garden
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12-02-2005 14:03
From: Gabe Lippmann Hummers, by and large, are not being written off as farm trucks. Tax scofflaws exist, but they are not the norm. Unfortunately in Texas, this is an all too common stunt. Any vehicle with a gross weight over a certain limit can be classified as a "farm truck", netting some tax breaks. We get to watch people driving around town in huge diesel "farm trucks" that have never seen dirt ever hit their bumper. That and I think the animal horns mounted to the front are pretty silly. I'd like to think that a majority of the public are all wonderfully law abiding citizens that do their part, but I've become cynical in my old age I guess. That and watching people drive 75+ in our special environmentally controlled 60 MPH zones ... Example was just a rough one to make people consider the level of financial stress caused. Those who make more, can afford potential negative events much easier than those who don't. One bad illness can send an average income person into bankruptcy, whereas those with better financial means can survive the event easier.
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12-02-2005 14:05
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12-02-2005 14:07
From: Gabe Lippmann We're also lazy and create our brave new world by using the crappy solutions we already know of. I'd hate to see that as an epitaph for us all .. "They were lazy and uncreative". Is it wrong to hope that mankind aspires for far more? *makes mental note that he tends to get very philosophic after eating Snickers bars for lunch, must avoid in future *G**
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12-02-2005 14:08
From: Taco Rubio dude, why so pissed? Dood, who's pissed? Enabran's post was great.
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Jake Reitveld
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12-02-2005 14:15
Well ask youself if LL would not be better off taking 35% of our income off the top and paying it to the IRS in lindens. It would be a money sink for sure.
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12-02-2005 14:15
Absolutely not.
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Taco Rubio
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12-02-2005 14:27
Yes, they should do this, and here are the reasons why:
1) The Lindens don't have enough to do, as is evidenced by the error-free patches, the totally bored attitudes they display, and the release of havoc2, speedtree, and html. This would give them something to do with their time.
2) We don't have enough to debate. If you look at the forums, you can see we all are happily discussing trivial issues as we're in complete agreement on all aspects of SL. A sales tax would give us something to talk about.
3) We need an overly-complicated system in order to increase the learning curve for new people. Everyone knows that there are too many people in SL already, and the addition of more people with ideas, talent, and drive should be thwarted immediately.
It's obvious, and anyone against this is a communist.
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Vance Trudeau
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OMFG......tax this! <one finger salute!>
12-02-2005 14:57
What on earth are you thinking??????????
Why don't we make it a quest.....a mission.....a LIFE GOAL to turn SL into the same hell hole that we complain, moan, berate, and rant about every single day of our life. Hmm.....I wonder if we can tax our stipends?....and our dwell payments?.....and maybe tax our gifts to others?......then when we all still need the Lindens to have more....we can tax and license our vehicles that we build.....and pay a toll to cross sims in them....and maybe have to buy a fishing license for that cool fishing hole....and of course pay tax if you want to buy any of the hundreds of services in SL.......
WHY DON'T WE SCAN THE FORUMS AND TAX REALLY REALLY HORRIBLE IDEAS LIKE TAXATION IN SL????
I think that you can tell that I'm against the idea.
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12-02-2005 14:59
From: Vance Trudeau Why don't we make it a mission to turn SL into the same hell hole that we complain, moan, berate, and rant about every single day of our life. I accept this mission. 
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12-02-2005 15:05
From: Jamie Bergman An item set for sale at L$0 in world would pay no tax. Ypu could have a minimum tax, so giving away a free item would cost the gift giver a fee 
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12-02-2005 15:07
From: Chip Midnight If memory serves there actually was a transaction tax at one point. It was possible to go bankrupt just handing the same dollar back and forth between two avs. Was there a fee on the tax paying transaction?
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12-02-2005 15:13
Well the way it happens in real life, if someone is getting a lot of bad publicity over stuff they've done... like let's say President Bush in Iraq. Nothing is better than a topic that diverts attention... like bird flu scare. selling other people's freebies... taxes... 
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12-02-2005 15:19
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Ypu could have a minimum tax, so giving away a free item would cost the gift giver a fee  But then you would need a receipt fee. Then a fee covering the processing of the fee. Then a fee to cover the space occupied by each avatar at the time of the transaction. Then you need a processing time fee, an air space clearance fee, a molecular transfer fee ... sheesh... welcome to the bank of the weirder hemisphere ... *g* Actually, reminds me of the bank I used to go to all the time
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12-02-2005 15:22
From: Surreal Farber Well the way it happens in real life, if someone is getting a lot of bad publicity over stuff they've done... like let's say President Bush in Iraq. Nothing is better than a topic that diverts attention... like bird flu scare. selling other people's freebies... taxes...  but that would be unethical! 
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12-02-2005 20:03
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Almarea Lumiere
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12-02-2005 20:50
We already have taxes -- they are the tier fees that land-owners pay. What additional source of revenue is needed? The problem is not inadequate revenue, but finding a constructive way to allocate it to events: if subjective criteria are used, people will complain that the Lindens are showing bias (and, yes, they would be); but objective criteria always result in mediocrity.
The only way this is going to be done well is from the bottom up.
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Siggy Romulus
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12-02-2005 21:00
Last 18 times this was brought up my answer was 'Fuck no'
Nothing has changed since then.
I don't go to events, I don't host events, so I don't see why I should pay for events.
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12-02-2005 21:07
But the ubiquitous presence of taxation has made the real world into Happy Fun Land, so why shouldn't it work here? 
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12-02-2005 21:09
From: Surreal Farber Well the way it happens in real life, if someone is getting a lot of bad publicity over stuff they've done... like let's say President Bush in Iraq. Nothing is better than a topic that diverts attention... like bird flu scare. selling other people's freebies... taxes...  hehhe yeah sorta throws doubts on their altruism for the artisan eh? lol.
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12-02-2005 21:47
From: Jamie Bergman The Lindens could fund events again without causing inflation if they would enact a tax on all transfers / purchases / sales of L$ between Avatars.
The tax would effectively remove X% of each transactions to the state coffers, which could then be used to pay for event hosting.
Has the dawn of taxation to support social programs come of age in SL? Or should there [still] be no taxation without representation?
Its an emerging issue. If you want to fund an event why don't YOU spend YOUR time fund raising for it? Why do you want to take MY money which is effectively STEALING my time and energy to fund an event I might have NO interest in?
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