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Martin Magpie
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12-15-2005 18:51
Eh, the mixed bag is more for the bureaucratic process our personal details travel getting to the FBI. I wouldn't be surprised if a year from now, we discovered all of our names are in the "terrorist watch list" or some silly thing like that. I kid, of course.  NVM _____________________
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Jeffrey Gomez
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12-15-2005 18:54
So it's official they didn't forward the information from November's attack as Ginsu said they would? I wouldn't know. Nor would it matter, because they didn't communicate the process to us. This is definitive proof they have, and did for at least one attack. Hence, newsworthy.  _____________________
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Martin Magpie
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12-15-2005 18:58
I wouldn't know. Nor would it matter, because they didn't communicate the process to us. This is definitive proof they have, and did for at least one attack. Hence, newsworthy. Since it wasn't confirmed by Philip or LL to news.com reguarding their story I cannot say it's official nor is it proof of anything but the CEO being pissed at a party and saying somethings about how he would like to handle global attackers. Guess I need to see it on TV or read it on the bbc, cnn, abc, nbc, news.com... as long as Philip has no comment to these larger news reporting agencies I can't say I believe it. "Rosedale could not be reached for comment for this story" - news.com _____________________
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Csven Concord
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12-15-2005 19:02
"personal and account information of these individuals will be disclosed to appropriate law enforcement agencies for further investigation, including U.S. state and federal authorities and agencies in applicable international jurisdictions."
future tense "This seems about (as) good a time as any to tell you that I am turning over names to the FBI," the Second Life Herald, a third-party publication, quoted Rosedale as saying." future perfect(?) tense Doesn't sound to me like we've heard anyone say that the FBI actually HAS the information. _____________________
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Krazzora Zaftig
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12-15-2005 19:12
"personal and account information of these individuals will be disclosed to appropriate law enforcement agencies for further investigation, including U.S. state and federal authorities and agencies in applicable international jurisdictions." future tense "This seems about (as) good a time as any to tell you that I am turning over names to the FBI," the Second Life Herald, a third-party publication, quoted Rosedale as saying." future perfect(?) tense Doesn't sound to me like we've heard anyone say that the FBI actually HAS the information. they may not have as of yet. I won't say why but frankly FBI might not be the department to do this with and that needs to be investigated by LL before they submit it. Usually though 90% of the time if any legal action is taken it i with the assitance of the FBI in these kinds of cases. _____________________
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Csven Concord
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12-15-2005 19:18
My point is that I don't understand why this is any different than in November. Both announcements are essentially the same. Further, if these individuals are adults, there shouldn't be any reason afaic - after the FBI gets involved - from revealing their RL identities. They'll be like any other person out there accused of a crime. When we hear something definitive that isn't some future tense announcement, then I guess I'll consider it newsworthy. Until then...
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Kathmandu Gilman
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12-15-2005 19:28
Why would the VC have a problem with SL? I would think anyone would enjoy their time on SL no matter if they are Vietcong or whoever....
Heh, the problem with turning over the names to the FBI has some major drawbacks... if the person/persons responsible is a complete and total moron then perhaps the FBI can do something but more than likely Joe Shmo who's credit card info was stolen gets a knock on his door. They trace the IP to an unsecured wireless connection in LA somewhere or it is registered to someone in Russia. Lets hope it is the typical w-hat style script kiddie that is using mommie's credit card and gets nailed to the wall. _____________________
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Merwan Marker
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12-15-2005 19:46
Is there other confirmation that this has in fact happened?
Or just this one source?  _____________________
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Kage Seraph
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12-15-2005 19:48
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Jeffrey Gomez
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12-15-2005 20:18
Doesn't sound to me like we've heard anyone say that the FBI actually HAS the information. The workflow, as I see it: Grid Attack #1 -> Do nothing -> #2 -> Threat issued -> #3 -> Actual name of agency (FBI) stated. Now we just need the follow-through, yes. _____________________
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Dianne Mechanique
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12-15-2005 20:40
I mean, holy ****, don't you think they're going to start asking questions about this fake currency thing? A bunch of kids crashing the grid is nothing compared to what's going on in SL. _____________________
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Teeny Leviathan
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12-15-2005 20:47
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12-15-2005 20:51
Well, this is a great way to kiss any future VC money away. Wrong. _____________________
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Dianne Mechanique
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12-15-2005 21:50
Why would the VC have a problem with SL? I would think anyone would enjoy their time on SL no matter if they are Vietcong or whoever.... Heh, the problem with turning over the names to the FBI has some major drawbacks... if the person/persons responsible is a complete and total moron then perhaps the FBI can do something but more than likely Joe Shmo who's credit card info was stolen gets a knock on his door. They trace the IP to an unsecured wireless connection in LA somewhere or it is registered to someone in Russia. Lets hope it is the typical w-hat style script kiddie that is using mommie's credit card and gets nailed to the wall. I would expect that you are right about the other end of this phone in this case being some idiot teenager or twenty-something kid. Most likely a university student with an addiction to the something awful web site. _____________________
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Hiro Pendragon
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12-15-2005 22:23
Just wanted to say congrats to the Herald staff for breaking the story, thanks to Terdiman for making it National on CNet, and a big WAY TO GO for Linden Lab taking action.
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Tasho Fairplay
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12-16-2005 00:44
Not to mention all the shit that goes on in SL. Why is the FBI going to protect people's right to "Age Play" ... I mean, christ, what a dumb move. Get back on topic. This isn't about age play. It's about Linden Labs protecting it's financial interests. Ultimately, a smart investor is going to see this protective act as a sign that this company means to keep it's source of income... it's player base. --Tasho the Spottycat-- |
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Lewis Nerd
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12-16-2005 01:29
So it's official they didn't forward the information from November's attack as Ginsu said they would? Two quotes from the Herald: "This seems about a good a time as any to tell you that I am turning over names to the FBI." "Asked by a reporter to clarify what kind of prosecution he might seek, Linden said, “Yes, we will turn over data to the FBI. That is what we are doing. Already in progress.”" Sounds to me like the announcement just says that it's already been reported - possibly the November one - because if an attack just happened in game, how could he have 'already informed' the FBI? Let's hope that this isn't all smoke and fluff, and something really is going to be done. After all, if LL get something done to protect their game, maybe other games who suffer bot users and other persistent cheaters may have some grounding to take action against those responsible for the biggest problems. Lewis _____________________
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Wendel Gascoigne
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12-16-2005 02:38
One has to wonder how Blaze can look at this in such a wrong way. This is a great move!
Should be a tad more of a deterrent against grid attacks than a 14 days suspension.  Wendel |
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Ordinal Malaprop
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12-16-2005 02:43
Does this mean they might investigate $impeach_bush_signs_guy for subversion, too?
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Magnum Serpentine
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12-16-2005 03:33
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Siggy Romulus
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12-16-2005 04:09
One has to wonder how Blaze can look at this in such a wrong way. This is a great move! Should be a tad more of a deterrent against grid attacks than a 14 days suspension. Wendel Not really - it creates more drama that way... Look at it this way: if you said 'the sky is blue!' Blaze would say 'no - a fish!' That is of course when he isn't trolling up some controversy about one of his opponents in business. Blaze is a self admitted 'forum alt' used for the sole purpose of stirring up crap.. He hides behind it and should be treated with no credibility, respect, dignity, or attention. Ignore him - he goes away. Siggy. _____________________
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Csven Concord
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12-16-2005 04:51
Two quotes from the Herald: "This seems about a good a time as any to tell you that I am turning over names to the FBI." "Asked by a reporter to clarify what kind of prosecution he might seek, Linden said, “Yes, we will turn over data to the FBI. That is what we are doing. Already in progress.”" Sounds to me like the announcement just says that it's already been reported - possibly the November one - because if an attack just happened in game, how could he have 'already informed' the FBI? Let's hope that this isn't all smoke and fluff, and something really is going to be done. After all, if LL get something done to protect their game, maybe other games who suffer bot users and other persistent cheaters may have some grounding to take action against those responsible for the biggest problems. Lewis I disagree. Both comments indicate FUTURE action. "I am turning over" is not "I have turned over". So like I said, when I see a comment specifically stating that the FBI already HAS the names, then I'll consider it worth interest. _____________________
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blaze Spinnaker
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12-16-2005 04:53
I disagree. Both comments indicate FUTURE action. "I am turning over" is not "I have turned over". So like I said, when I see a comment specifically stating that the FBI already HAS the names, then I'll consider it worth interest. Yes, I pretty much agree with this point. I think code should be the first line of defense here - not the FBI. If you have to go running to the FBI everytime someone cuts/pastes a 10 line program into your world, then you've got big problems. VC is going to be fully aware of this. _____________________
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Pablo Neruda
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12-16-2005 06:27
Horrible!
These individuals probably had a marginal family life with no father figure or might have been abused as children. I think Phillip should have taken them in into his home for the Holidays and show them love and affection and turn their life around. Maybe they would even go on to become Linden Lab developers! This message was brought to you in the spirit of the Holiday. Look for later editing to say they should be thrown into Abu Ghraib to spend some quality time with their fellow terrorists _____________________
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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12-16-2005 07:54
I'm with Csven. This is a start, but a public announcement / press release would have been quite nice. I'm curious to know how many trouble makers will get the word on this. A better, more public, more formal announcement than at a winter party would help getting the word-of-mouth spreading that Linden Lab ain't taking shit any more... and lend more credibility to the announcement. C'mon LL, you're almost there!
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