Petition Againts Bergman's Bargains
|
Adriana Caligari
Registered User
Join date: 21 Apr 2005
Posts: 458
|
11-30-2005 07:59
Isnt it a sad indication of how far back down the evolutionary ladder our species has climbed when it is considered against the rules of civilized behaviour to cry "Fowl" when something bad happens.
The animals do it when they see a predator.
We used to do it in villages and streets the world over.
Now we are not allowed to do it because of fear of a lawyer.
Sad, sad and really sad.
If you see a spade call it a spade I say
I will never get used to calling it "A unisex digging implement that may have uses other than those of a purely agricultural nature - IN MY OPPINION - sorry if I have offended digging implement makers or users etc etc - ad nauseum"
A thief is a person who steals othe peoples possessions - there i said it - SHOOT me
|
Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,422
|
11-30-2005 08:12
From: Dyne Talamasca I more or less suggested that, except without the "store" or the "$L1" parts.  Hmm. I wonder if you couldn't, instead of buying bunches of land, just release a bunch of drones programmed to wander around the grid, seeking out new bies and new civilizations, boldly informing them of the problem (wth specific examples of what is being sold), and offer to direct them to a location where they can get these items for free. Since such objects can wind up dying due to land permissions and such, have some method of replenishing the supply (either have the drones signal a central factory, or give the drones a specific time to live, and make them at a steady rate) Bonus points if you give them "anti-flocking behavior" where drones try to avoid being too close together (both for lag reasons, and for coverage). Is there some rule against that which hasn't occurred to me? (Aside from, obviously, "don't let them get out of hand and crash the grid".) I would think placing drones anywhere other than your own land or your friend's land would not be a good idea. Also, pointing out the actions of others AV, group or shop, might be a violation of the TOS.
|
Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 3,431
|
11-30-2005 08:16
From: Jamie Bergman These allegations are slanderous and untrue. Firstly I have to say I haven't been to your store so I don't know either way... but instead of trying to get the post removed, why don't you take this opportunity to prove that the allegations are, as you say, "slanderous and untrue"? Lewis
|
Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
|
11-30-2005 08:23
From: Dyne Talamasca I more or less suggested that, except without the "store" or the "$L1" parts.  Hmm. I wonder if you couldn't, instead of buying bunches of land, just release a bunch of drones programmed to wander around the grid, seeking out new bies and new civilizations, boldly informing them of the problem (wth specific examples of what is being sold), and offer to direct them to a location where they can get these items for free. Since such objects can wind up dying due to land permissions and such, have some method of replenishing the supply (either have the drones signal a central factory, or give the drones a specific time to live, and make them at a steady rate) Bonus points if you give them "anti-flocking behavior" where drones try to avoid being too close together (both for lag reasons, and for coverage). Is there some rule against that which hasn't occurred to me? (Aside from, obviously, "don't let them get out of hand and crash the grid".) Not sure, but if you made fraudulent allegations against me with your drones, I'd certainly Abuse Report you... we have a civilized court system in SL... not mob justice 
|
Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
|
11-30-2005 08:25
From: Lewis Nerd Firstly I have to say I haven't been to your store so I don't know either way... but instead of trying to get the post removed, why don't you take this opportunity to prove that the allegations are, as you say, "slanderous and untrue"?
Lewis I just did. I said the allegations were fraudulent and untrue. Not sure how else to dispute this.
|
FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
|
11-30-2005 08:30
How about a simple checkbox in the "for sale" section saying "LOCK PRICE". If the price is locked by the creator, it can not be changed. I don't have a problem with people selling second hand things they no longer use, but selling freebies just reeks of leeching.
-Flip
_____________________
Peregrine Salon: www.PeregrineSalon.com - my consulting company Second Blogger: www.SecondBlogger.com - free, fully integrated Second Life blogging for all avatars!
|
JackBurton Faulkland
PorkChop Express
Join date: 3 Sep 2005
Posts: 478
|
11-30-2005 08:33
Are we talking about Milly or Vinalli? Or wait one of them died. Which one was it? Anyone know?
_____________________
You know what Jack Burton always says... what the hell?
|
Da5id Neurocam
Registered User
Join date: 28 Oct 2005
Posts: 14
|
11-30-2005 08:46
From: Jamie Bergman I just did. I said the allegations were fraudulent and untrue. Not sure how else to dispute this. Oh, so we should just accept your word as gospel? Just because you say something doesn't make it true. Proof, Jamie - we want proof! I understand you can't prove a negative, but show us some evidence that the items in question were created by you or your team! How difficult can that be? Quit posting poorly-written diatribes and whiny complaints in your blog and respond with facts. Until you do so, you are nothing but a parasite on the community. Call it libel, call it slander, complain to the powers-that-be. You'll still be a cancer. Oh, and... signed.
|
Burke Prefect
Cafe Owner, Superhero
Join date: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,785
|
11-30-2005 08:55
I thought that name sounded familiar. She IM'd me yesterday regarding my Maverick. I showed it to her. She's interested in buying rights to it. Then a minute later I actually saw her store, and was a little disappointed. She dodn't make a money offer, but I might ask her ap append some zeroes to it.
|
Ginger Faust
teh kokabeel
Join date: 21 Nov 2005
Posts: 51
|
11-30-2005 08:57
See this is the problem with SL's permissions. Things do need to be changed about resell/give away. I am all for getting rid of the abusive users whom resell freebies and rip people off.
Things in SL need to change,and permissions is one of them. If the creators of this game stand by and let people like this ruin how a business is run then I see no point in giving a noob a chance and getting free items when someone is just going to rip them off anyway.
Sad,this game used to be fun when I first started('04) . Now there are even more greedy players out trying to rip people off. It needs to stop .
|
Ginger Faust
teh kokabeel
Join date: 21 Nov 2005
Posts: 51
|
11-30-2005 08:59
From: Jamie Bergman These allegations are slanderous and untrue. This post is also a violation of the forum TOS.  And you're in violation of IP/copyrights !
|
Dyne Talamasca
Noneuclidean Love Polygon
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 436
|
11-30-2005 09:04
From: Jamie Bergman Not sure, but if you made fraudulent allegations against me with your drones, I'd certainly Abuse Report you... we have a civilized court system in SL... not mob justice  You are welcome to do so. Of course, that gets you nowhere if they aren't fraudulent (or I don't accuse any particular individual).
|
Dyne Talamasca
Noneuclidean Love Polygon
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 436
|
11-30-2005 09:08
From: Kevn Klein I would think placing drones anywhere other than your own land or your friend's land would not be a good idea. If they stayed on your land, they wouldn't be drones. As far as I know, freely-roaming objects aren't against the rules unless they are doing stuff like crashing the grid or harrassing particular people. The drones I envision would be relatively polite, unobtrusive, and programmed to SeEk oUT AND DESTROY ALL FREEBIE RESELLLERS! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EX-TER-MI-NATE! Ahem. 
|
Da5id Neurocam
Registered User
Join date: 28 Oct 2005
Posts: 14
|
11-30-2005 09:10
From: Jamie Bergman Not sure, but if you made fraudulent allegations against me with your drones, I'd certainly Abuse Report you... we have a civilized court system in SL... not mob justice  If she AR's someone claiming they're making false claims, wouldn't she then have to prove they're false? I'll put my meager scripting skills to work on this right away. And I'll be sure to release it as a freebie so other "capitalists" can violate copyright and sell it in their shops.
|
Sammi Spectre
Registered User
Join date: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 5
|
thumbs down
11-30-2005 09:20
/signed
i'm a shopoholic so i'm sure i have bought more than i can remember from her, but the one item that comes to mind is the Mosquito for L1000. i'd be very upset to find out that was a freebie. i'd be out organizing a protest outside her shop. lol i'm all for creative ways to make money but my money won't go to people who are lazy and unethical.
|
Kyran Nyak
Certified lunatic
Join date: 4 Jan 2005
Posts: 24
|
11-30-2005 09:37
From: Jamie Bergman Not sure, but if you made fraudulent allegations against me with your drones, I'd certainly Abuse Report you... we have a civilized court system in SL... not mob justice  which is exactly why ur store should be closed, and freebies should be protected better in general.
|
Kevn Klein
God is Love!
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 3,422
|
11-30-2005 09:43
From: Dyne Talamasca If they stayed on your land, they wouldn't be drones. As far as I know, freely-roaming objects aren't against the rules unless they are doing stuff like crashing the grid or harrassing particular people. The drones I envision would be relatively polite, unobtrusive, and programmed to SeEk oUT AND DESTROY ALL FREEBIE RESELLLERS! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EX-TER-MI-NATE! Ahem.  I'm not making a judgement here. I'm not taking sides. I'm just stating my opinion. If I found one of these drones on my land I would AR it. If the drone was informing newbies of the actions of certain people, groups or shops it would be violating the TOS. I don't think it would be difficult to set up freebie vendors etc. The problem is no one wants to waste their land space and prim allowance on a protest. The fact people aren't willing to back up their complaints with positive action shows they aren't that concerned. If a person wants an item, an AVdetector for example, and can't find it free, is it immoral to buy the freebie for $L100 knowing it to be a freebie? To me, it's an issue of too few generous people setting out freebies, even at $L1 or $L2. Instead of attacking freebie sellers, compete head to head. Put them out of business with a better business plan. It should be easy to beat a freebie seller, seeing one can outprice them by setting the price $L0 or $L1.
|
Elspeth Withnail
Completely Trustworthy
Join date: 24 Jan 2005
Posts: 317
|
11-30-2005 09:47
I personally haven't seen anyone reselling freebies, although I do know at least one person who dropped some Linden on something he could have gotten gratis... I also haven't been looking for freebie resellers, and SL is pretty much unplayable for me right now. Without having seen evidence of any freebie reselling at the establishment in question, I won't be signing. Also, from what I understand of the forum's rules, this thread is probably going to be locked down pretty shortly.
That said, anyone reselling freebies deserves one hell of a kicking around. Never mind the fact that what they're doing is both illegal and unethical, they're making the game a less-newbie-friendly environment. Way to go, jackasses! That fifteen cent profit was way worth helping curb the growth of the game!
So help me, some people would sell their freakin' grandmother into slavery to turn a profit.
|
Lo Jacobs
Awesome Possum
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 2,734
|
11-30-2005 09:48
I was at Bergman's Bargains to check the creators of the items being sold.
Among the creators:
linkin Slate Trent Hedges Ker Dawn Aaron Perkins Gene Jacobs Alejandro Stewart Cherry Charming Fred Extradordinaire phoenix Behemoth Charles Fauna Eric Linden Bakuzuelas Khan
... and god knows who else.
Also, it's not just Jamie Bergman, it's also Chicago Kent.
_____________________
http://churchofluxe.com/Luster 
|
Dyne Talamasca
Noneuclidean Love Polygon
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 436
|
11-30-2005 09:49
From: Kevn Klein If I found one of these drones on my land I would AR it. For what abuse, assuming it wasn't naming names? Incidentally, I'm not thinking of something that SITS on someone else's land. Just something that passes through it while searching or talking to newbies, just like regular users do every single day all over SL without being ARed.
|
Cory Edo
is on a 7 second delay
Join date: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,851
|
11-30-2005 10:04
From: Lo Jacobs I was at Bergman's Bargains to check the creators of the items being sold. Among the creators: linkin Slate Trent Hedges Ker Dawn Aaron Perkins Gene Jacobs Alejandro Stewart Cherry Charming Fred Extradordinaire phoenix Behemoth Charles Fauna Eric Linden Bakuzuelas Khan ... and god knows who else. Also, it's not just Jamie Bergman, it's also Chicago Kent. HAHAHA Nice company you have yourself in with there, Jamie. The guy that bought all those 16m2 plots and put up giant spinning GWB signs. You know, BEFORE the recent 16m2 plots with giant anti-GWB signs.
_____________________
www.electricsheepcompany.com
|
Aether Languish
Entropy Creations Liason
Join date: 18 Oct 2005
Posts: 12
|
11-30-2005 10:26
/signed EC's investigation into this matter has proven conclusively that the items in question are not the person in question's work, nor has the person in question given rightful credit to the actual creators, instead having claimed full creation for their items. The items are either freebies with new colors (most don't even have a new texture), or a leaked item caused either by a perm bug or perhaps even hacking (we're still unsure on that point), either way, especially the latter, such a practice is despicable and should be stopped when found. This does not mean that the person in question doesn't have items they 'created' in their building, however, we at EC know, but cannot prove, their origin, and as such will not be pursuing any action towards those items. The rest of the items (especially such items as: freebie gun models just using the G36 script and being sold for 1kL$, the M102 Blaster being sold for 400L$, the C4 being sold for 400L$, or the No Transfer nuke Fred Extraordinaire created a long time ago that is somehow also being sold) should be removed as they serve no purpose but conning other players out of their money. A Compiled Free Box of Comparison Items Can Be Found At: http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=38803Based upon the items within this box and the pictures/items contained at the location in question, we hope that those who are interested in reaching a conclusion may do so with as little cost to themselves as possible. For those who wish to continue a freebie giving practice, but wish to make their freebies no transfer and yet don't want to restrict their availability, we at EC have also created this item to help: -Entropy Creations- Freebie Node Dev Kit: http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=39092And no, we are not trying to make any money off of this situation, as anyone knows with our prior dev kit, the item is only 1L$ and will always remain 1L$.
|
Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
|
11-30-2005 10:50
From: Jamie Bergman These allegations are slanderous and untrue. This post is also a violation of the forum TOS.  I can't believe you have the nerve to accuse someone of slander, when I went to SLExchange.com and found several hottubs you were selling that looked dead-on like Siggy's Super Hottub. I've asked you several times if they are the Super Hottub, but each time you've evaded that question - which only leads me to believe that they are.
|
Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
|
11-30-2005 11:07
From: Juro Kothari I can't believe you have the nerve to accuse someone of slander, when I went to SLExchange.com and found several hottubs you were selling that looked dead-on like Siggy's Super Hottub. I've asked you several times if they are the Super Hottub, but each time you've evaded that question - which only leads me to believe that they are. I removed them once you brought this up. You must have forgot.
|
Lo Jacobs
Awesome Possum
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 2,734
|
11-30-2005 11:09
From: Jamie Bergman I removed them once you brought this up. You must have forgot. You shouldn't have had to remove them in the first place. You shouldn't have done it in the first place. Get a clue.
_____________________
http://churchofluxe.com/Luster 
|