slstats.com: You can't opt out.

Not like it matters, according to a few those who voiced their opinions and desires on this topic destroyed the greatest thing SL had to offer since the prim thus no one would really care at this point.

I can not verify the OPs accusations. He does not appear in the DB. In my searching Ordinal is an anomally. I don't appear. Ordinal was the only non-watchwearer I searched that turned up any results. Very curious why anything turned up for Ordinal(and others I didn't search?).

@Ceera you have to have to click the watch to recieve a login link can't login and have the script not running.

want me to shot him?

I've been here a lot longer than you have and I assure you they were.

Well then, I would say I was certainly scanned in my test last night, but not recorded. Thank you.

As I said, I'm certainly not one of Mark's fans. I still would never wear one of those watches myself. But I'll grant that he seems to have addressed the concerns that most of the anti-watch posters made clear. Short of destroying all the watches and taking down the site, I think he has done a good-faith effort at resolving the majority of those concerns, and the mere presence of those warches in my vacinity is no longer a concern for me. It remains to be seen if it now has any remaining value for the subscribers.

I still would not wear the watch myself, because it still records 'associations' for people that have no basis in fact other than linear proximity (they might well have not even seen each other or realized the other was there) and the fact that the other people also wear the watch. But if those who sign up for that service are the only ones who can see these associations, then as subscribers themselves, they should understand the limitations of what the data really means. That is far different from the assumptions that someone completely unfamiliar with SL or slstats.com might have made, when data-mining the open site from the Internet, as it was when it first came out.

Personally, I harbor no ill will to Mark or his project. I hope that he learned from this that just because he thinks some gee-whiz new idea is wonderful, it might be wise to ask more than a small number of people their opinions before launching a project that affects massive numbers of people.

"Omg any user of this site can see my info"

How about this "omg anyone on the forums can see my name if I post"

Or "omg the who's online list shows what part of the forums I'm looking at."

Or, really really terrible "my name is somewhere in LL's database!"

If you're afraid of people finding out you view mass furry burnings or a "humanoid robot sexual intercourse software" lecture at 3am...

Yanno, maybe you SHOULDN'T be doing things you'd be ashamed to have someone find out... it means you have feelings of guilt, which implies that YOU YOURSELF feel that it's wrong.

If even YOU think it's wrong... why are you there?

Better yet, why do we care enough to do tons of data mining and checking to find out you had improper relations with the latest craft at Cubey Terra's shop?

Ohh, even better yet, most of the ones complaing about slstats have NO problem with the NSA listening in on their every phone call, even if it is ILLEGAL.

After all... "If you haven't done anything wrong, what do you have to fear?"

Privacy and Freedom weren't made to protect criminals.

It's not about shame, it's about wishing to avoid judgemental people such as what you are showing yourself to be at the moment. My social habits are none of your business, else I'd be hanging out with you.

Perhaps you should think a bit more about the subject in general, beyond the scope of SLstats and SL before making a claim such as 'If you haven't done anything wrong, what do you have to fear?'. For serious.

Honestly, I didn't care about this at all until hearing about Mark's antics with the opt-out box, then Lex's own experience followed by some of the commentary heard here.

Pftt... That's NOTHING! XD



Yeai was searching for mysql, cuz i was trying to find version 4.0.23 to use with a online game emulator.

Thanks Maklin! I do try to be respectful of those wishing to opt out.

~Ulrika~

Since we can not be sure that we are not being scanned and recorded against our will and that privacy being the only thing worth value on Second Life, then this scan function needs to be disabled at once! I am not sure if it can be done but theses peoples privacy is the most important thing. If some scripted items stop working well too bad.

I would want to know if you've been hanging out with dirty SL prostititues the the case that we ever have SL sex.

Since we can not be sure that we might encounter other people and our appearance and chat text may be recorded against our will and that privacy being the only thing worth value on Second Life, then logins need to be disabled at once! I am not sure if it can be done but theses peoples privacy is the most important thing. If some people get upset well too bad.

With you, I'm not sure if you're looking for an assurance if I have or have not....

You were one of my top friends on slstats before the opt in only period....
Does that mean we can't be friends?

Gratz. You win the stupidist post of the month award, and the month isn't even half over.

You have no clue about who complains about what reguarding RL activities - in fact, I know a lot of people on this thread DO complain about that.

You assume that anything we don't want public is over guilt, which is just moronic.

I could go on, but those were the two big ones.

I investigated as well as I could without actually opting in by signing up for the service. There may be people for whom it says "This user has opted out", but I'm not one of them, and there's no way for me to BECOME one of them anymore. I thought my OP was clear on that.

I do now seem to be out of the search, according to my friend. So it seems like either I was specifically removed from the database, or he went back through and deleted all data on people who don't have watches. I assure you that I was in the database after he told me I wasn't, though.

Now I'm gonna go hide from this flamewar I accidentally started.

I agree

The Main point ... we were told that we who have NOT opted in .. would not have our info shown period... and we were lied to. I understand you may not comprehend morals ... but a person saying something and doing what they say is very important, and if they dont, they will not be believed again in the future. So grow up and think before you flame others.

If you wanted to do a thorough analysis of social interaction in SL you'd want to have access to all the chat logs, abuse reports, records of who focused on who, everyone's positions, what animations they played, who gave what to who, who bought what from who, etc. . In other words everything we do could be stored in a public database for analysis and viewing. The client could take snapshots and upload them at intervals, to make the record a bit more thorough. The Godmode has a function that records our actions and can replay them, these could be stored as well.

All this data could be made public, just like the forums record all our posts for viewing and analysis later.

Note that I am not suggesting that this be done, just saying that it is possible to have a place somewhat like SL in which there is truly zero privacy. Most likely there won't be one, because it's not something people want. The same desire for privacy that keeps all this potentially revealable data from being revealed accounts for people not wanting to be named on a third party tracking site.

Hmmm methinks my first assumptions on this guy were totally founded it seems and why are u so jumping to his defence on this issue or have ugot an interest in the site in a business manner.

SLSTATS - read lies and mis truths now can anyone here trust him and his entourage again, as i said before, a spammer in the making and as u stand by his defence i will not take back a word i have said against him or what i feel his real intentions are here.

Peace

My bet is you are being sarcastic but it works for me

ok, i think everyone needs to take a breather for a bit.. -.-

ok lets look at things objectively

we all like our privacy
we all would like to do what we want here unhindered.. within reason -.-

its easy for each person to get their back up

someone figured a clever way to gather statistics that could prove useful
they feel that it is unobtrusive for the simple fact it is not going into your sl homes but simply registering anyone around the person who is wearing the device in a public area

now i do agree that i prefer not to have my every moment on sl open for anyone to see, but it in all actuallity will not effect me one way or another.. i have the subtely of a brick wall so i avoid it and try to not do something i would hide from another, im just not good at it .. /shakes fist

I can definitely see a concern about this, but i think that maybe people are thinking in relation to their real lives versus second life. not saying it isn't as tangible as our daily lives...

but I do have to say this for them. They are right there for any of us to look at and censor, but what about the devices that can follow you around without you knowing and record everything you say? i saw that at a shop don't know if it works.. but my point is at least they are in the open. I would like for this person to just be a bit more forthcoming on their intentions.

to the person who made the product, your evasivness of your intentions or your actions is the true thing that i find alarming. Any time someone hedges around something or misleads someone on something than they are hiding something. geesh thats alot of somethings.. lol

kk sl crashed on me, i visited the boards put in my useless 2 cents worth and im going to bed.. night night
this troll well be back .... bwhahhahahhaha

ack had to edit some, but also.. sorry folks but when you do anything electronicaly there is no true privacy.. :/

This is to Mark.

I'd be brief.

1. All you need to do is remove the scanner in your watch and implement a ping/pong based data gathering system.

You really do not need the scanner anymore.

We only have your word that you are discarding non-subscriber data. Remove the scanner and we'd believe you.

2. Opensource the watch, this way more people would gain your trust. It would not hurt your biz (since you do not seem to have a biz based on this), and plus how complicated is your watch anyways, it's not unique enough to be totally hidden from scripters, anyone can make one ie.

By opensourcing we'd know your intentions and what data you are gathering at the watch level.