SL going down again

So SL goes down again today for 5 hours for an avatar lighting update and a Improved flexible attachment behavior while crossing a region boundary

Sounds real important that rather than:

Fixing the bad lagging probs everyone is suffering at the moment or the constant crashing and being logged out problems that everyone is suffering and the nag screens telling you that your unable to log in until such a time, logging in taking forever, or suddenly being teleported problems, or the so called fix for "downloading clothing" on logging in problem that was supposed to be fixed, or the floating, flying off, walking off avatar problem yet again that was once fixed.

When is Linden going to get SL in to shape. A lot of people ain't interested in local lighting, their more interested in a good quality running program that doesnt crash every 2 minutes.

I now know 3 people who have gone out and spent a lot or dollars on new GFX cards to catch up with SL, and we get the second 5 hour downtime in a week to update local lighting

Get real

I can't upload a single picture or textures... sad!

I crash a lot too... this update is not that exciting if I cant test the new things...

I know way more than 3 people who tried SL and quitted because of the incesant bugs, crappy UI design and constant technical problems, and that's more serious...

Frankly, I suppose that programming flexiprims is funnier than fixing bugs, but losing money is never funny, and isn't earning it what LL is about? Isn't it?

Don't you dare fix my "bad lagging problems", as the update seems to have improved lag for me in every sim I've visited.

Ok as today is my SL birthday this is completely unacceptable. I will be out until 1 pm eastern time - that's how long you have to get this done. After that I have a birthday party to attend! If you wreck my birthday then what good is SL anyhow? But seriously I'm pretty bummed.

Happy Birthday Lola. No worries, we'll tell Katt to make you a birthday party at the new building some other day

All I can say to this is that you may want to stop pointing the finger at Second Life...and sit down and determine whats wrong with your computer.

I'm not saying SL 1.10.0 is bugless. But...irregardless the changes to the rendering model in 1.10.0 are absolutely astounding, there are some minor bugs with the occlusion culling system they need to work out, but the changes in frame rate alone have been worth any bugs that came along with it.

I personally didn't spend a thing to catch up with SL. My computer is slightly above average, my video card is a 6600 Geforce card. Its nothing special.

I haven't crashed. I have no problems with walking, it takes me all of about 20 seconds to log in, I don't get logged out, I've never been inexplicably teleported against my will and I never once seen the Downloading Clothing error you're referring to.

I play SL every day, for hours and hours on end....I develop content, I have my fingers in every little aspect of the game and there are very few areas where I've seen much in the area of cons to 1.10.0.

I personally AM interested in Local Lighting. I'm wildly interested in all the new rendering model changes they're doing because they ARE making the game a less laggy more travel friendly place to be. I have a 300m skyscraper I built, before 1.10.0 I couldn't see the top of the building from the ground without setting my rendering distance to around 384m and causing myself immense amounts of lag.

Now in 1.10.0, I can see all the way to the top of my tower from the ground, with my rendering distance set to the default of 128m....and that little shot of realism to the rendering, to me, is worth any bugs that have come with the patch.

Oh and whats more...none of my associates in my family group are having any problems with the game either and theres like 30 or so of us. I'm not saying that its impossible for SL to have bugs that are affecting you or your friends in a personal way, but in general, when you have a good average of people seeing little to no problems and a small cross section of people saying its horrible and it doesn't work...its usually something to do with the hardware configuration the complaintants are running...and not so much a problem with the software.

So....rule #1, never rule out user error to complain to the developer.

or how about actually doing some work on the linux client instead of leaving their paying customers who use linux out in the cold

While I sympathise with you, I also have to say that the attitude you just showed is why companies do not attempt to develop Linux versions of thier software.

<sigh>

No offence, but I'm up to HERE with you 6600 owners crowing about how GREAT 1.10 is!

Some half-wit on the dev team actually seems to have optimised 1.10 for the 6600 - which is really bad news for anyone with a better graphics card.
I have 3 SL capable PCs, a 2.8 P4 with a 6800GS, an AMD FX57 with a 7900GTX 512, and an Athlon 64 4000+ with a 7900GTX 512 which is my purpose built SL machine.

And NONE of them now work worth a damn with SL! All have had their fps cut in half by the wonderful 1.10 update.

During preview and after the update all I've heard is a chorus of 6600 users telling me how great things are. And it is good that SL supports a cheap low end graphics card - but NOT when it's slashed MY performance with high end cards by 50%!

And now we get another disruptive 'update' designed to fix the serious problems with that crap avatar lighting system and bloody flexi prims?

FFS Phil! GET A GRIP...

I've been selling out since before this latest crap update because Preview convinced me that 1.10 was not going to be good, that, combined with Robins unbeliveably ill considered announcement about selling L$, was the last straw for me and my decision was made.

But while I'm still here, selling stuff off, I'd really like some semblance of a reasonable service - if you want SL inhabited soleyly by 6600 users, fine by me, just patch it up until I'm gone please, then you can go back to only supporting low end hardware forever for all I care.

I tend to find it hard to believe with Nvidia's forward compatibility that an update that is effective for the 6000 series of cards is somehow in effective for the 7000 series.

I mean this is Nvidia we're talking about...after all. Anyways one of my girlfriends runs SL 1.10.0 on a Geforce 4000 MX and I don't see her complaining either. Also, my live in has a 6800 GT Ultra and doesn't have a single issue, and we've several people running midrange to high end ATI cards and a one person that has a 7900 series Geforce card and absolutely none of them have complained about anything aside from some occasional inexplicable packet loss.

Once again, I have to point out that it might not be Phil's fault here. Just cause you have "high end hardware" and are all geeked out on 3 computers doesn't instantly mean you have them properly configured or that your not dealing with a driver based issue.

Spending a grand on graphics cards doesn't instantly begat you computer superiority. In fact....my live in patched my 6600 to open up the extra pixel pipelines that Nvidia had closed in it and it performs beautifully...in anything. SL or Oblivion or anything else. Spending lots of money doesn't immediately qualify you for better performance.

I suggest you "get a grip".

I run a GeForceFX 5500oc 256MB. Deffinately NOT top of the line. Runs 50USD in the stores atm, and you can prolly shop around for a better buy.

NO program as versitile as SL could support every vidcard and every system. LL focused on the majority and everything they've done on this update has increased performance for the majority.

Now, with the possibility of sounding rude (and since I'm not working for LL so don't have to be polite); Update or deal with the lag until your system is included. Or you could figure out what you've done wrong on your PC. I have a freind running with a 7900GTX 512 and she has no issues at all. Always telling me how fast everything is rezzing even while I need to take a few seconds. So learn your system.

~Jessy

It's in Linden Labs best interest to optimise the game for the MOST number of people, not the minority with the latest hardware.

People have been saying for a long time now how well the 6600 performs in SL not just since the update. If you thoroughly researched your purpose built machine how did you end up spending SO much money on a bleeding edge card with an unproven track record in SL and contrary to what most people have been recommending ?

I think you might be somewhat at fault here too, even if your machine is perfectly set up.

*sigh* I am SO f****** sick of hearing this!

The system worked just like you describe your friend's working - in 1.9.
In preview it sucked, in 1.10 it sucks.

*I* didn't change anything - LL did! If they changed something that requires a change in my PC, they should TELL me.

Plus, it affects three PCs.
Plus I've done all the driver/cleaner/update/malware/adware/clean install rituals with no effect

And now, with significant number of people suffering fps loss, lag, slow texture loading, login issues, and frequent client crashes/freezes we get an update - to make AVs look pretty and stop flexi dongs falling off crossing borders! ROFL!

Way to go LL!

Good point in the second para - but I already had a 6800GS which was slowing update by update, so I needed a speed hike, so a 7 series was indicated. *shrugs*

BUT - I was right, it worked beautifully in 1.9!

If I'd bought a card and it turned out crap in SL I'd be annoyed, but I'd step round it.
But in this case I bought a card that worked beautifuly (screenshots to prove it too!) in 1.9.

Then, several weeks AFTER I bought the card, LL introduced 1.10 complete with this bug, which I bug reported right through Preview - well, from the crippling of vertex shaders on - because it worked well with the original full vertex shader/lighting version, which the lower end cards didn't.

So, I believe at this point LL made a concious decision to cripple vertex shaders/lighting and at the same time cripple my card in order to support lower end cards.

*shrugs* OK, well I can take a hint just like anyone else...

Support the majority and screw the minority with the disposable income to buy the latest hardware? Great idea!
Only, that minority also have the disposable income to buy stuff LL makes money from - land.
Still, just a minority...
Well this minority has a sim and a lot of other land for sale right now having had enough of LL's antics.

Does the fact that I never have any problems with SL (post-updates) have something to do with the fact that I don't have a shit computer?

You guys should get better computers.

Good luck.

Happy SL bday Lola =x
I'd like to see them fix the darn texture flicker problem when objects are on as full bright..that has really given me a headache the past week lol first update worked fine then something happened now full bright= sucks
Lag has been another problem too...at our sim theres under 600 active scripts and i've been lagging like i was at a sim that has over 3000 scripts *faints*

Sometimes you are so full of 5hit Enabran...

So - you never had any problems in 1.7 huh?

Hypocrite!

Busted? =x

1.7 was miserable server-side for me, not client-side. Isn't all this griping about client-side problems?

Rollback!

Your card and systems sucked in previe and in 1.10 full. Maybe your systems suck. Effecting all three PC's? Check your ISP or router or other things that can affect all three. There are things on your side that effect all systems in your house.

My friend's card is same as yours and she rocks in 1.10 NOW, not 1.9, not 1.8 here in 1.10

So you are only a minority in that you want to blame others (LL) for issues you don't want to fix on your end.

Mac users had a gripe, and LL admitted the broke something. But that affect ALL Mac uses on that 3.9 (or whatever) system. People WITH THE SAME SYSTEM as you are having no problems and getting great framerates, rezzing and very little lag. That tells me YOUR system isn't setup properly, or your settings are hosed, or your ISP is being done with tin cans and string.

Is that so hard to understand? Others with the same system have no problems with SL. HINT! This means SL works with your system if it's set up correctly on a proper connection.

And LL did tell you you might need a change. They posted all over about the graphic updates. Which you knew about since you were in the preview grid and seen the problems then. Perhaps then would ahve been a good time to begin looking at what was wrong.

~Jessy

OMFG!

*spaz!*

Its not Sl .....Its how you turned your machine on.. USER ERROR! lmaooh No ! you need to upgrade your computer graphics card! lmao!

Yeah, it must be user error because I'm still running SL on my craptop with only a 1.4 GHz Celery, 512 MB RAM, and an 8 MB video card. I even have shiny and hardware lightning on, and I see no big slow-down because of it. 1.10 is very boooootiful and I applaud LL for such a wonderful update. I'm between 5 and 25 fps, but I can tolerate it (only when a bunch of people are nearby is it grindingly slow).