Hamlet, Ulrika, and Neualtenburg

Billy , Ulrika has been getting it from all sides for a long time,,,not one of us is perfect and we are all human. If you want to take your toys and go home I won't stop you but this project was never about religion it IS about politics. I'm sorry you didn't get the answers you wanted but sometimes you have to lay back a bit to get what you seek instead of pressing .

Billy, First and foremost Ulrika is a human being. And as humans, we can only take so much being thrown at us before we have to back away a bit. The constant defending she and others have had to do is very draining. And some people are pretty darn ruthless.

And with all due respect to Ulrika, she is no longer our "leader" in your sense of the word. We are in a provisional government stage of the project. There will be times in the future Ulrika will not be at the forefront of the project, but we will have our constitution and other things to work with. There are plenty of other people that can help you with your questions.

We have around 40 members in this group. How many actually participate in our forum discussions? There will be times when all of us need breaks for various reasons. Ulrika has not run away. She is just going to focus on some other aspects of the projects besides the stuff we are working on in the forums. And two weeks in the grand scheme is nothing.

I plan to keep Ulrika up to date, and I'm sure others will as well. And I'm sure in a few days, Ulrika will at least feel up to responding to us through email or IMs. I'm honestly not worried and understand just what she needs to do. Again with due respect to Ulrika, she is no good to us if she is a basket case.

Billy, I'm sure Talen and I would both be happy to meet with you (I'm in world right now and most nights these days - and usually in the city) and discuss your issues. No one is going to beg you to stay though. This is a voluntary project. If you are not happy, you should not feel like you *must* stay. Let me know if you still wish to talk. Though I would prefer it to be one on one or with us in a small group, rather than the forums. Real time chat can make a lot of difference in the way things are percieved and presented.

Oh, I agree. I am far from perfect as we all are and yes, I do know she has been taking allot of heat but if you are going to be the leader of an ambitious project like this one you have to be able to handle adversity. Name me one great thing that was accomplished by a leader who runs away from her/his problems. I do not know of any. It comes with the territory.

Also if you are going to lead you HAVE to be accountable for what you say. She was wrong in what she said but is too stubborn and prideful to admit it. I don’t even ask her to admit any wrong but to address my concerns and have a discussion to hopefully resolve them. She cares so little she is not willing to do that.



It is really not my desire but I do not see any choice other than walking away. I came into this project with high hopes of being a part of something where all of us could come together and do something unique and important but tell me what else I can do when communication is a one way street. I do want to help but to be told that “concessions” will not be made to anyone who disagrees with her is unacceptable and rude. I would be interested in how you would feel if your shoes were in mine.


Thanks for that Talen. I do not know you all that well but consider you a friend. I agree with what you say but honestly just don’t know how I can continue if the leader of the project is so closed minded and I fail to see how I can help if she does not want to hear my opinions. I sincerely thank you for caring enough to attempt to get me to stay.

I also thank you for caring Pendari. Out of respect for you and/or Talen I am willing to meet with y'all in-world later tonight if you wish. I agree that we all come across better in person where we can interact with a conversation instead of a forum type of thingy.

I think if you give it time and let things settle a bit you'll find things will work out...As much as we are all part of this project Kendra and Ulrika have been the one getting the broadsides and it takes a toll. You also have to remember that Ulrika developed a hell of a plan upfront before any of us joined...and together we have all changed the plan here and there and continue to tune it the best we can...I would find it hard to have built such a plan and have people pick at it daily.

We can all be stubborn but we just need to let things settle a little and instead of accusing eachother and screaming for answers ( which we all have done) we need to step back a bit and see it from the other persons view.

As much as I fight about everything I've learned a few things from all of you....and I learned I need to listen more before I bark.

Just IM me when you get in world Billy. Hopefully Talen will join us. I'm mostly on the forums right now.. but, I'm in world and watching my IM window.. hehe..

Yes, Billy, as a GROUP. Not as a WORLD. That's why OUTSIDERS posts are subject to deletion if they're accussatory/etc

::::imitating Montgomery Burns::::


.........excellent........

Billy -- maybe --just maybe--- if you were a bit more pro-active and actually did something other than gripe that your issues aren't being addressed --some of your concerns would actually be taken care of.

Night after Night --I'm in Neualtenburg building building building --a solitary green dor on a map. Go rent Field of Dreams --and see if you can guess what I'm trying to convey to you.

Sorry if this comes off as harsh to you. I mean it in the best of spirits.

Ulrika, I met with some others who know you better in-world tonight and I had no idea of your history of having an issue with being addressed as sweetie. I can see how you may have been particularly upset if you thought I knew that. I would have been upset too if that’s what I thought.

I want to say to you here in this public forum that I am sorry that it offended you and that it was meant to be an endearing term, not a derogatory one. I will make an effort to not address you in that manor and hope that you will recognize that I did not mean any harm.

Honestly I thought you were just picking a fight because you didn’t want to address my issues with your post but I can see that may not have been the case. Please accept this as a sincere apology and an attempt by me to put that particular issue behind us.

I will also take responsibility for being stubborn to the Nth degree sometimes and I know I backed you into a corner. Maybe that was not fair to you in your state of mind after all the attacks you have had to withstand from the general population of SL. I tend to go all out in stating my point of view and perhaps more tact would be called for at times when I tend to push. Maybe some of our personal issues would disappear if we knew each other better… or maybe not… hehe (satire)

As for my involvement in the project I am still considering it and am somewhat at a crossroad. I will try to keep an open mind though as I still think it would be interesting to see where it goes.

Kendra... you know you luv me so don't even go there...

It was great to talk with you last night Billy!

I must apologize to you, Talen, and Kendra for passing out at the keyboard (again). It was late, and basically when my body wants to sleep it doesn't matter. Awake one sec, asleep the next. We think I have mild narcalepsy(sp) brought on by my sleep apnea. Probably TMI, I just wanted to explain that you guys were not boring me to sleep or anything! hehe

Again, I enjoyed the talks and I'm around on the forums today and will be in world again tonight. I am working on the stuff for the meeting, so you all should hear from me at least some. Let me know if you want to talk about anything.

Just wanted to state that Hamlet did change this wording as I politely requested. At least now there is somewhere in semi-writing besides just from us that this is a group effort.