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Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

12-31-2003 04:21

Need to update a script rapidly to multiple objects in multiple locations?

Scripting Deployment Services has the solution!

Just drop your new scripts(s) into a central box (which could be on your property) and it will be automatically distributed to all nominated objects!

How does this work?

You will supply to me the location(s) where your objects are and add an updater module to them. Everything else is handled automatically!

To detect the updates, there are two paradigms (your choice):
- the new script will have a suffix "_update", which will be removed after delivery. The old script will be deleted
- the new script will have a verison suffix, eg " 0011". The old script will be disactivated or deleted (your choice)

Charges are per deployment configuration, which comprises a set of objects and locaitons that you want updated. Updates are locked to your userid. The charges are as follows:

- setup fee L$50000 (or 50USD), plus
- system access L$20000 (or 20USD), per month

Disclaimer: this post is not contractual. Service and charges may change.

Azelda

Maxx Monde

Registered User

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,848

12-31-2003 04:57

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Ananda Sandgrain

+0-

Join date: 16 May 2003

Posts: 1,951

12-31-2003 10:01

You're charging $US !?

Ok, where's my contract? Where's my SLA with 95% uptime guarantee? Where's my waiver of penalties for early withdrawal?

Some of us play this game and build things like this purely for the fun of it. pfft.

Jellin Pico

Grumpy Oldbie

Join date: 3 Aug 2003

Posts: 1,037

12-31-2003 11:12

Wow, I could be totally wrong here, but I think you may be overestimating the current potential to make $us.

Carnildo Greenacre

Flight Engineer

Join date: 15 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,044

12-31-2003 12:07

I'm strongly tempted to set up my own system to do this and undercut Azelda's prices.

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Wayton Marker

Junior Member

Join date: 26 Dec 2003

Posts: 2

12-31-2003 12:24

Profit is good thing. Azelda, I'd like to talk with you one-on-one about things financial. My ingame "find" is broken, so icq? email? phone?

Morse Dillon

Lifetime Member

Join date: 11 Dec 2003

Posts: 142

12-31-2003 12:39

I don't mean to bust Azelda too hard on this, but the fact that the guy has a way to communicate across sims doesn't seem to be that special. Maybe in and of itself it's pretty cool, but hypermarketing it through all of these posts to the Projects forum, for US$ no less, seems kinda silly.

-MD

Rhysling Greenacre

Registered User

Join date: 15 Nov 2003

Posts: 132

12-31-2003 19:20

Is this even possible?

It is my understanding that new scripts copied into objects by the inventory API commands are not runnable until they are manually recompiled.

Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

01-01-2004 05:08

Maxx Monde

Registered User

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,848

01-01-2004 05:12

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Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

01-01-2004 13:27

From: someone

Originally posted by Carnildo Greenacre
I'm strongly tempted to set up my own system to do this and undercut Azelda's prices.

Heh, I usually feel tempted to offer whatever else people are offering for free.
I have a "world-travel" script myself. Just add llGiveInventory

Ama Omega

Lost Wanderer

Join date: 11 Dec 2002

Posts: 1,770

01-01-2004 13:53

Wow, a SL service that costs 5x the cost of a premium membership!

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Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

01-01-2004 14:13

> Wow, a SL service that costs 5x the cost of a premium membership!

Its a bit of a niche market. There are only about 4 projects in SL that could use this service, and one of them is my own

Azelda

Ama Omega

Lost Wanderer

Join date: 11 Dec 2002

Posts: 1,770

01-01-2004 17:05

Ama's Economic Lesson: Lower Demand means lower prices.

My other tip is that if it is so exclussive as to only have 4 potential users, my guess is that all 4 of those would be able to create the system themselves, and probably be able to create it far easier than they can make $50,000L + $20,000L each month.

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Ryen Jade

This is a takeover!

Join date: 21 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,329

01-01-2004 17:26

ama 2,000L$ =1USD so it would be a 100,00$L price for setup, and 40,000L$ a month

Ama Omega

Lost Wanderer

Join date: 11 Dec 2002

Posts: 1,770

01-01-2004 17:41

Ryen, from the first post:

From: someone

- setup fee L$50000 (or 50USD), plus
- system access L$20000 (or 20USD), per month

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Christopher Omega

Oxymoron

Join date: 28 Mar 2003

Posts: 1,828

Re: Script deployment service

01-01-2004 17:42

From: someone

Originally posted by Azelda Garcia
Need to update a script rapidly to multiple objects in multiple locations?

Scripting Deployment Services has the solution!

Just drop your new scripts(s) into a central box (which could be on your property) and it will be automatically distributed to all nominated objects!

How does this work?

You will supply to me the location(s) where your objects are and add an updater module to them. Everything else is handled automatically!

To detect the updates, there are two paradigms (your choice):
- the new script will have a suffix "_update", which will be removed after delivery. The old script will be deleted
- the new script will have a verison suffix, eg " 0011". The old script will be disactivated or deleted (your choice)

Charges are per deployment configuration, which comprises a set of objects and locaitons that you want updated. Updates are locked to your userid. The charges are as follows:

- setup fee L$50000 (or 50USD), plus
- system access L$20000 (or 20USD), per month

Disclaimer: this post is not contractual. Service and charges may change.

Azelda

Okay... Ive only read this first post, so heres my opinion on this....

How do you plan on getting around the script deactivation 'bug'? Giving scripts with llGiveInventory() nullifys the scripts given; they need to be manually re-saved in the reciever.

I dont see how this is really worth that much money...

Ryen Jade

This is a takeover!

Join date: 21 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,329

01-01-2004 17:45

From: someone

L$390,000 $195 L$250,000 $125 L$150,000 $75 L$80,000 $40 L$50,000 $25 L$30,000 $15 L$16,000 $8 L$10,000 $5

Thats the land tier infomation.

Ama Omega

Lost Wanderer

Join date: 11 Dec 2002

Posts: 1,770

01-01-2004 18:22

I fail to see how that relates Ryen? He posted L$ prices as well as US$ prices, I referenced those prices in my post, and somehow now those numbers are wrong? Huh? I'm not talking about land, I was talking about how much L$ he was charging.

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Ryen Jade

This is a takeover!

Join date: 21 Jun 2003

Posts: 1,329

01-01-2004 18:40

The tier info shows that for every 2KL$ its 1USD$

Bosozoku Kato

insurrectionist midget

Join date: 16 Jun 2003

Posts: 452

01-01-2004 18:40

Good idea, bad prices. Make it reasonably affordable and you just might find a market.

Although I doubt it would be a big market -- as most people needing to update scripts already have or would design their own update methods.

Bos

Garoad Kuroda

Prophet of Muppetry

Join date: 5 Sep 2003

Posts: 2,989

01-02-2004 02:04

From: someone

Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann
Heh, I usually feel tempted to offer whatever else people are offering for free.

Phew, I was afraid I was the only devil here....

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BTW

WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!

Azelda Garcia

Join date: 3 Nov 2003

Posts: 819

01-02-2004 05:50

Garoad wrote:

> Phew, I was afraid I was the only devil here....

Well, I dont mind doing stuff for free. Im the only person to have created an SL SourceForge project so far (as far as I know?) and Im a major contributor to the Scripting Libraries, possibly the largest single contributor?

What I would like to change is a peculiar habit that seems to have become common-place of people who come into the forums and offer to "buy" a script for the equivalent of 50 cents. It's just like wtf?

Personally I will do stuff for free or at between 50% or 100% of real-cost (ie between 15000 and 30000 L$/hour).

I will not pretend to "sell" stuff thats taken 30 hours solid of my time + 10 years professional expereicne + the weeks of learning LSL, for like 50 cents. It's just not going to happen.

Ananda wrote:

> pfft

Ok, so where were you when I was learning LSL? Where are the free Ananda Sandgrain scripts? I will doublecheck my inventory when I log but Im pretty sure I will not find a plethora of free Ananda Sandgrain scripts in there. I could be wrong

Let's check the scripting libraries ( /invalid_link.html and /invalid_link.html )

- scripts submitted by Ananda Sandgrain: 0
- scripts submitted by me: 20 (and there are some really good scripts here)

Youll find all the scirpts that you need in the library to build the system that is on offer here. The most important core modules are *all* in the library, I added them the other day. You just need to spend a little bit of time to glue them together.

Lastly, I remember about 2 months ago making a plee for people to open up their scripts, to stop locking them, to stop pretending to sell them:

"Just want to say that I find the whole in-game IP thing frustrating. I will quit soon most likely and this will be one of the three main reasons."

Darwin replied:

"This sounds an aweful lot like communisim, which I hate to say. It's good in theory of course, but it's not the way humans work. Some humans like profit. Not all humans. Not even neccasaraly most. But the way a place without currency works, if there's only a small group, it can't work.

"Communisim is like spandex: good in theory, but when real people start using it, it gets ugly."

Azelda

Eggy Lippmann

Wiktator

Join date: 1 May 2003

Posts: 7,939

01-02-2004 06:08

Well Az, me being one of those that Darwin likes to label communist, I usually say that this is just a game. If you enjoy spending your time scripting then you shouldnt require any compensation for your time. If you dont enjoy scripting then dont do it

The whole economy is superfluous to me... I see this as a place where collaborative creation is itself the goal. You dont need ratings or stipends. You just need to sit back, relax and enjoy yourself. SL for me is what I used to do with Bryce and ICQ, except in SL it doesnt take 5 minutes to render a single image etc.

Maxx Monde

Registered User

Join date: 14 Nov 2003

Posts: 1,848

01-02-2004 06:13

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Script deployment service
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	12-31-2003 04:21 Need to update a script rapidly to multiple objects in multiple locations? Scripting Deployment Services has the solution! Just drop your new scripts(s) into a central box (which could be on your property) and it will be automatically distributed to all nominated objects! How does this work? You will supply to me the location(s) where your objects are and add an updater module to them. Everything else is handled automatically! To detect the updates, there are two paradigms (your choice): - the new script will have a suffix "_update", which will be removed after delivery. The old script will be deleted - the new script will have a verison suffix, eg " 0011". The old script will be disactivated or deleted (your choice) Charges are per deployment configuration, which comprises a set of objects and locaitons that you want updated. Updates are locked to your userid. The charges are as follows: - setup fee L$50000 (or 50USD), plus - system access L$20000 (or 20USD), per month Disclaimer: this post is not contractual. Service and charges may change. Azelda
Maxx Monde Registered User Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,848	12-31-2003 04:57 deleted
Ananda Sandgrain +0- Join date: 16 May 2003 Posts: 1,951	12-31-2003 10:01 You're charging $US !? Ok, where's my contract? Where's my SLA with 95% uptime guarantee? Where's my waiver of penalties for early withdrawal? Some of us play this game and build things like this purely for the fun of it. pfft.
Jellin Pico Grumpy Oldbie Join date: 3 Aug 2003 Posts: 1,037	12-31-2003 11:12 Wow, I could be totally wrong here, but I think you may be overestimating the current potential to make $us.
Carnildo Greenacre Flight Engineer Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,044	12-31-2003 12:07 I'm strongly tempted to set up my own system to do this and undercut Azelda's prices. _____________________ perl -le '$_ = 1; (1 x $_) !~ /^(11+)\1+$/ && print while $_++;'
Wayton Marker Junior Member Join date: 26 Dec 2003 Posts: 2	12-31-2003 12:24 Profit is good thing. Azelda, I'd like to talk with you one-on-one about things financial. My ingame "find" is broken, so icq? email? phone?
Morse Dillon Lifetime Member Join date: 11 Dec 2003 Posts: 142	12-31-2003 12:39 I don't mean to bust Azelda too hard on this, but the fact that the guy has a way to communicate across sims doesn't seem to be that special. Maybe in and of itself it's pretty cool, but hypermarketing it through all of these posts to the Projects forum, for US$ no less, seems kinda silly. -MD
Rhysling Greenacre Registered User Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 132	12-31-2003 19:20 Is this even possible? It is my understanding that new scripts copied into objects by the inventory API commands are not runnable until they are manually recompiled.
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	01-01-2004 05:08
Maxx Monde Registered User Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,848	01-01-2004 05:12 deleted
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	01-01-2004 13:27 From: someone Originally posted by Carnildo Greenacre I'm strongly tempted to set up my own system to do this and undercut Azelda's prices. Heh, I usually feel tempted to offer whatever else people are offering for free. I have a "world-travel" script myself. Just add llGiveInventory
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	01-01-2004 13:53 Wow, a SL service that costs 5x the cost of a premium membership! _____________________ -- 010000010110110101100001001000000100111101101101011001010110011101100001 --
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	01-01-2004 14:13 > Wow, a SL service that costs 5x the cost of a premium membership! Its a bit of a niche market. There are only about 4 projects in SL that could use this service, and one of them is my own Azelda
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	01-01-2004 17:05 Ama's Economic Lesson: Lower Demand means lower prices. My other tip is that if it is so exclussive as to only have 4 potential users, my guess is that all 4 of those would be able to create the system themselves, and probably be able to create it far easier than they can make $50,000L + $20,000L each month. _____________________ -- 010000010110110101100001001000000100111101101101011001010110011101100001 --
Ryen Jade This is a takeover! Join date: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,329	01-01-2004 17:26 ama 2,000L$ =1USD so it would be a 100,00$L price for setup, and 40,000L$ a month
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	01-01-2004 17:41 Ryen, from the first post: From: someone - setup fee L$50000 (or 50USD), plus - system access L$20000 (or 20USD), per month _____________________ -- 010000010110110101100001001000000100111101101101011001010110011101100001 --
Christopher Omega Oxymoron Join date: 28 Mar 2003 Posts: 1,828	Re: Script deployment service 01-01-2004 17:42 From: someone Originally posted by Azelda Garcia Need to update a script rapidly to multiple objects in multiple locations? Scripting Deployment Services has the solution! Just drop your new scripts(s) into a central box (which could be on your property) and it will be automatically distributed to all nominated objects! How does this work? You will supply to me the location(s) where your objects are and add an updater module to them. Everything else is handled automatically! To detect the updates, there are two paradigms (your choice): - the new script will have a suffix "_update", which will be removed after delivery. The old script will be deleted - the new script will have a verison suffix, eg " 0011". The old script will be disactivated or deleted (your choice) Charges are per deployment configuration, which comprises a set of objects and locaitons that you want updated. Updates are locked to your userid. The charges are as follows: - setup fee L$50000 (or 50USD), plus - system access L$20000 (or 20USD), per month Disclaimer: this post is not contractual. Service and charges may change. Azelda Okay... Ive only read this first post, so heres my opinion on this.... How do you plan on getting around the script deactivation 'bug'? Giving scripts with llGiveInventory() nullifys the scripts given; they need to be manually re-saved in the reciever. I dont see how this is really worth that much money...
Ryen Jade This is a takeover! Join date: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,329	01-01-2004 17:45 From: someone L$390,000 $195 L$250,000 $125 L$150,000 $75 L$80,000 $40 L$50,000 $25 L$30,000 $15 L$16,000 $8 L$10,000 $5 Thats the land tier infomation.
Ama Omega Lost Wanderer Join date: 11 Dec 2002 Posts: 1,770	01-01-2004 18:22 I fail to see how that relates Ryen? He posted L$ prices as well as US$ prices, I referenced those prices in my post, and somehow now those numbers are wrong? Huh? I'm not talking about land, I was talking about how much L$ he was charging. _____________________ -- 010000010110110101100001001000000100111101101101011001010110011101100001 --
Ryen Jade This is a takeover! Join date: 21 Jun 2003 Posts: 1,329	01-01-2004 18:40 The tier info shows that for every 2KL$ its 1USD$
Bosozoku Kato insurrectionist midget Join date: 16 Jun 2003 Posts: 452	01-01-2004 18:40 Good idea, bad prices. Make it reasonably affordable and you just might find a market. Although I doubt it would be a big market -- as most people needing to update scripts already have or would design their own update methods. Bos
Garoad Kuroda Prophet of Muppetry Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 2,989	01-02-2004 02:04 From: someone Originally posted by Eggy Lippmann Heh, I usually feel tempted to offer whatever else people are offering for free. Phew, I was afraid I was the only devil here.... _____________________ BTW WTF is C3PO supposed to be USEFUL for anyway, besides whining? Stupid piece of scrap metal would be more useful recycled as a toaster. But even that would suck, because who would want to listen to a whining wussy toaster? Is he gold plated? If that's the case he should just be melted down into gold ingots. Help the economy some, and stop being so damn useless you stupid bucket of bolts! R2 is 1,000 times more useful than your tin man ass, and he's shaped like a salt and pepper shaker FFS!
Azelda Garcia Azelda Garcia Join date: 3 Nov 2003 Posts: 819	01-02-2004 05:50 Garoad wrote: > Phew, I was afraid I was the only devil here.... Well, I dont mind doing stuff for free. Im the only person to have created an SL SourceForge project so far (as far as I know?) and Im a major contributor to the Scripting Libraries, possibly the largest single contributor? What I would like to change is a peculiar habit that seems to have become common-place of people who come into the forums and offer to "buy" a script for the equivalent of 50 cents. It's just like wtf? Personally I will do stuff for free or at between 50% or 100% of real-cost (ie between 15000 and 30000 L$/hour). I will not pretend to "sell" stuff thats taken 30 hours solid of my time + 10 years professional expereicne + the weeks of learning LSL, for like 50 cents. It's just not going to happen. Ananda wrote: > pfft Ok, so where were you when I was learning LSL? Where are the free Ananda Sandgrain scripts? I will doublecheck my inventory when I log but Im pretty sure I will not find a plethora of free Ananda Sandgrain scripts in there. I could be wrong Let's check the scripting libraries ( /invalid_link.html and /invalid_link.html ) - scripts submitted by Ananda Sandgrain: 0 - scripts submitted by me: 20 (and there are some really good scripts here) Youll find all the scirpts that you need in the library to build the system that is on offer here. The most important core modules are all in the library, I added them the other day. You just need to spend a little bit of time to glue them together. Lastly, I remember about 2 months ago making a plee for people to open up their scripts, to stop locking them, to stop pretending to sell them: "Just want to say that I find the whole in-game IP thing frustrating. I will quit soon most likely and this will be one of the three main reasons." Darwin replied: "This sounds an aweful lot like communisim, which I hate to say. It's good in theory of course, but it's not the way humans work. Some humans like profit. Not all humans. Not even neccasaraly most. But the way a place without currency works, if there's only a small group, it can't work. "Communisim is like spandex: good in theory, but when real people start using it, it gets ugly." Azelda
Eggy Lippmann Wiktator Join date: 1 May 2003 Posts: 7,939	01-02-2004 06:08 Well Az, me being one of those that Darwin likes to label communist, I usually say that this is just a game. If you enjoy spending your time scripting then you shouldnt require any compensation for your time. If you dont enjoy scripting then dont do it The whole economy is superfluous to me... I see this as a place where collaborative creation is itself the goal. You dont need ratings or stipends. You just need to sit back, relax and enjoy yourself. SL for me is what I used to do with Bryce and ICQ, except in SL it doesnt take 5 minutes to render a single image etc.
Maxx Monde Registered User Join date: 14 Nov 2003 Posts: 1,848	01-02-2004 06:13 deleted

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