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Thinkers' booth at the Second Life Community Convention (Oct 1-9 in-world)

Gwyneth Llewelyn
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Join date: 31 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,336
09-18-2005 03:27
Dear fellow Thinkers,

The Second Life Community Convention will be held in less than one month - if you haven't heard of it yet, this will be the 1st convention of SL ever. True to the spirit of innovation, it will be held both physically - in New York City, at the NY Law School, during the same weekend as the State of Play conference there - and in-world, with videoconferencing set up both ways. Yes, this will mean that people in NY will be able to see the in-world exhibition centre, and from in-world, we'll be able to see streaming video from NYC, and even participate with questions to the speakers.

It will certainly be unique - at the very least, it will be the first one :) - and the theme is "community". Now, Thinkers' have been one of the oldest discussion groups in SL (almost one-and-a-half years now!), still meeting regularly, and having over 200 members, and still growing (albeit slowly). We're definitely part of the community of SL, and I felt very strongly that we should participate at the SLCC.

The best way we can participate, of course, is doing what we do best: host a series of discussions during the in-world part of the convention, and have a booth there to explain people what the Thinkers are and how we meet and what we discuss. The in-world convention will start on Oct 1st (booth building time!) and finish on Oct 9th. Thus, on the 8th and 9th people will mostly be there to watch the video streaming, but before that, many will visit the exhibition centre - if, of course, we can attract them to events :)

After a small brainstorming session last Thursday (don't worry if you didn't attend; we'll be discussing it again next Tuesday, I promise!) we not only came up with some very good ideas for discussions vaguely around the theme "community", but we even managed to get a very generous sponsor who already paid for the booth :) (he'll remain anonymous for now until I ask him for permission to publicly thank for his generousity :) ).

The first idea we had (a suggestion by Kitten Lulu) was to sponsor a contest for the Thinkers' booth. The guidelines are few and as follows:

- 512 m2, 117 prims
- strictly PG
- designed to mostly give information on what the Thinkers' do, how to contact us, what we discuss, how our "rules" work, how you can apply to host your own meetings, etc.
- eventually have a small "meeting place" for the discussions themselves (we may be able to use the central area of the exhibition centre)
- eventually, have some souvenirs there for sale ;) (Wittgenstein, Kirkegaard and Heidegger busts were suggested ;) )

I think I can raise at least L$ 2,000 for the contest prize, but we can talk about that again next Tuesday. We'll give people, say, one or two weeks to submit ideas, and at a subsequent meeting, we'll pick the best choice by a simple majority vote of those present :) If nobody applies, well, we still have Plan B ;)

Now, as for ideas for discussions during those 9 days, here go some proposed topics:
  1. Power and the Lindens
  2. Mediation in SL
  3. Thinkers' on Thinkers' ("The Meta-Thinkers Discussion";) - ie. self-promotion, lol (I'd love to have Jinny Fonzarelli run that one!)
  4. SL's Counter-Culture (if we can get the W-Hat to host that one, that would be amazing)
  5. Love in SL and how it translates/overflows in RL or not
  6. Communication Issues in SL
  7. Diversity in SL
  8. Urbanism in SL: bringing design and planning past your land
  9. SL Economy
  10. The Open Source Community in SL
  11. International Communities in SL (or the lack thereof)


Please note that we don't have speakers for all those topics yet, although I think we're able to do at least one per day, hopefully two.

Of course, we'll also be providing "running commentary" during the videostreaming sessions on Oct 8 and 9, and eventually squeeze one or or two in-world meetings during the lunch breaks.

All this is food for thought for the upcoming meeting on Tuesday. So bring you thinking caps and lot of fresh ideas on how we can make this work :-)
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Gwyneth Llewelyn
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Join date: 31 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,336
Planning resolutions
09-21-2005 03:10
Hello all,

Well, after two brainstorming sessions, we seem to have managed to come to a few conclusions.

1. The discussions

First, a list of potential discussions (now reduced from the above ones to a more manageable number):
  1. "Urban planning in SL" by Traxx Hathor

  2. "Are we all perverts?" by Eloise Pasteur

    What is Second Life? What makes some of us stay, and spend huge amounts of time and form communities and relationships, even work here, whilst most of those that join SL leave it sooner or later (~190,000 residents ever and 51,000 active residents, and a much smaller number active each week)?

    What is it that makes us SLers? Some of it is a high end computer, broadband internet access of course, but there are more than 190,000 households in the UK with broadband internet, so I suspect it is something unusual in us, as individuals.

    Come along and share your thoughts about our quirks and that little spark of perversity that makes this place special to us all.

  3. "Mediation in SL" by Neal Nomad

  4. "Website Democracy" by Prokofy Neva

    Date & Time: probably early on the week

  5. "The Open Source Community in SL" by Kitten Lulu

  6. "Self-governance in SL - from the community to the government", by Gwyneth Llewelyn

    Focusing on the "Neualtenburg experiment" as a solution for long-term planning in a private sim, "elected government" as opposed to a "SL company" managed by a small group of people is one of the many possible ways to deal with the "succession" problem: how to deal with a long-term project when the project founders leave it?

    Date & Time: probably on Tuesday, Oct 4, 2 PM (game time)


We're still open to more suggestions, of course.

What we need now is a paragraph from each person and a definite date & time. I urge you to do that - if at all possible - until next Tuesday, so that we can submit the "definite" agenda to the SLCC organisation.

Beyond that, we will have some "running commentary" during Oct 9. Probably impromptu :)

2. The booth

We'll have a booth of 512 m2 with 117 prims. All we know is that it'll be somewhat squarish in size and reasonably flat. The idea is to announce on Friday an open, public contest for the booth, subject to the following guidelines:
  1. some notecards on the Thinkers
  2. it should have a place where people can sit
  3. space for a slideshow presenter
  4. eventually a small exhibition space


Contestants will have one week to present their proposals in a "show & tell" event to be held on Friday, Sep 30th, at Aliasi's place (probably between 2 and 6 PM, depending on the number of entries). Then they'll have to argue why the audience should pick their proposal instead of the others :) This should be fun to watch, and is a quite different kind of contest - probably the better arguer will win, and not necessarily the better builder, heh heh. The prize will be L$ 3,000, unless we can get a few more donations ;)

I think this sums up our meeting pretty nicely. But for the sake of completion, the next posts will feature the transcript (hopefully I got it all!).

Cheers to all who volunteered to help!
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Gwyneth Llewelyn
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Join date: 31 Jul 2004
Posts: 1,336
Transcript of Thinkers' preparation meeting for the SLCC - Part 1 of 3
09-21-2005 03:12
Aliasi Stonebender: well, that's part of the debate. it's hard to have a riotous discussion with multiple peopel at once with voice, after all.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hello all : )
Aliasi Stonebender: and these things are nothing if nto riotous.
Malvolio Malaprop: Hello
Mynci Gorky: yo. i'm back.
Aliasi Stonebender: good day Gwyn!
Mynci Gorky: hi gwyneth
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe ty Aliasi : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn is still finishing her dinner, lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... I wonder if some of you have managed to take a look at the forum post?
Aliasi Stonebender: on forum now, but don't think I saw that particular post yet.
Malvolio Malaprop: Yes I saw it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah right
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's just because it'll save me time to copy & paste the topics....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: : )
Mynci Gorky: i've been away so I didn't get the chance. I take it the conference-based meeting was a succ? load s of topics?
Seldon Metropolitan: im just a wallflower : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe rather a few, yes ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi neal : )
Neal Nomad: hi
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi prok : )
Seldon Metropolitan: hi prok, get a dye?
Prokofy Neva: Hi
Prokofy Neva: a dye?
Seldon Metropolitan: I never seen you not a blond is all : )
Prokofy Neva: I have lots of looks.
Traxx Hathor: hi all : )
Neal Nomad: hi]
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi and my apologies for still being at the dinner table iRL, lol
Traxx Hathor: heh
Aliasi Stonebender: that's perfectly alright. I usualyl am at this point m'self. :P
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol yes... if I didn't have to stop half-way back home to fill up the gas tank... I was optimistically hoping to be able to make the whole trip, lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: but one never knows how much the reserve will last ;)
Neal Nomad: runningon empty?
Aliasi Stonebender: indeed. ah, at least gas prices have dipped a little bit here.
Traxx Hathor: time to finish reading the post in Thnkers forum : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Whew, right.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway - we briefly met last Thursday
Neal Nomad: a full hor
Neal Nomad: hour
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just to toss a few ideas around to host a "series" of Thinkers' meetings
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, a full hour , lol
Traxx Hathor: a brief hour evidently
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks Traxx : ) Yes, something like that ;)
Damien Rutherford: hi all
Neal Nomad: hi
Traxx Hathor: hiya Damien
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The whole purpose of this series of meetings is to attract some people to come over to the SL part of the Second Life Community Convention.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Briefly, for those who haven't heard about that event....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It'll be a "convention" of mostly SL fans, taking place during the State of Play conference
Gwyneth Llewelyn: in New York City
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oct 8 & 9
Gwyneth Llewelyn: At the same time, though...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ... and from Oct 1 - 9
Gwyneth Llewelyn: for those who can't attend the event in NYC, there will be 4 sims
Gwyneth Llewelyn: with two-way videostreaming.
Neal Nomad: lag?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And some way for people in-world to ask questions to speakers in NYC, and vice-versa : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Lag will be featured in SL only ;)
Traxx Hathor: we get it all
Mynci Gorky: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, we're lucky : )
Aliasi Stonebender: on the other hand, we don't have to deal with havifn a bunch of people in confined quarters, so the trade is even.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe good point ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, Thinkers' will have a booth at the SL part of the convention.
Jackal Ennui: hello ;)
Damien Rutherford: I will compensate for lag by being quicker than RL event-goers
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Generously donated by one of our members : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, hi jackal : )
Traxx Hathor: hiya Jackal
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll also promote a simple contest for that booth
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "simple" as in - not many rules ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And beyond that, we are really looking for people to host some meetings over there.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'd like to have, say, at least one per day - so, 8 or 9 meetings (since we will get the spot for the booth on Oct 1, this means it needs to be built first)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So - we have some restrictions....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 1) All topics should be around "community"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2) All topics strictly PG (which is a pity)
Neal Nomad: the first discussion could be how to build a booth..thinkers a work
Traxx Hathor: heh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lolhaha Neal, yes ;)
Damien Rutherford: I thought there are quite a few European members of Thinkers?
Traxx Hathor: I volunteer to host that one
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 3) All topics need to be approved by the organisation of the SLCC.
Damien Rutherford: I for one
Prokofy Neva: hmmmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: This means, that the best we can do is tell them: - this is what we're going to host, here are dates & times
Mynci Gorky: there are a few of us
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Notice that there will be other groups "animating" the exhibition area.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So we have to try to fit in the overall schedule
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If not - well, we can still re-use the ideas, lol
Neal Nomad: we are good at thak
Neal Nomad: that
Traxx Hathor: Gwyn, where do we get a copy of the overall schedule?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And now I should open up the discussion for *more* ideas
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, good question, Traxx. Sadly, I missed a meeting yesterday
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I hope that we won't have much advance notice, though.
Neal Nomad: can we get a schedule so we can see where we eachmight be able to be available?
Prokofy Neva: Gwyn, one of the issues with the RL SLCC is that the organizing meetings have all been closed pretty much.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I agree.
Prokofy Neva: If you want to make a suggestion, you are toldto go to a wiki or whatever, but it's just a few organizing it.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Less than a handful that are *really* prganizing it.
Prokofy Neva: After the first organizing meeting, in which there were topics thrown out like "Love in SL" etc that seemed a bit frivolous
Prokofy Neva: I wondered then could the inworld one perhaps have more serious input
Prokofy Neva: but I have yet to see what the RL one has in the way of an agenda, have you?
Kitten Lulu: Am I late? ?=
Neal Nomad: hi kitten
Prokofy Neva: they had one meeting recently that was public but it was a disco/Katrina relief event
Traxx Hathor: welcome : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well I definitely agree! - but the agenda for the RL part is almost finished and is published on http://www.slconvention.org
Mynci Gorky: i saw one via clickable cultur
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hi Kitten and Zodd : )
Mynci Gorky: that's the one
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I don't know what more "promotion events" will be done in-world :(
Prokofy Neva: agenda, but are workshop topics specifically?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I have to open up my browser, prokofy... just to see if there are any news
Prokofy Neva: ok I will too brb
Gwyneth Llewelyn: any *more news
Zodd Thereian: hi all
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well - the RL agenda seems to be finished, except for two topics to be announced
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And sadly the site does not show any further events to be done in-world.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, I know that the Spellbound group will be doing *something* in-world
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But I still don't know what that *something* is, lol
Prokofy Neva: well I guess it's just that topics like "advocacy" and "the SL experience" seem very broad and vague
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, and we don't even have a short description on those topics, Prokofy.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would help.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I expect that we could do a bit better ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: we = the Thinkers' hehe
Prokofy Neva: well if Reuben is leading one, he must mean advocacy or selling of SL itself? or media ?
Prokofy Neva: I'm just guessing
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I really don't know yet.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Anyway - going back to our own suggestions for the in-world meetings...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: link to the forums: /77/f7/62007/1.html
Prokofy Neva: well maybe take some of these topics on the RL one like "self governance" or "content creation and the economy" and refine them with sub-topics?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Mind you, most of the suggestions there still don't have a *name*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We could, prokofy
Damien Rutherford thinks someone should take that Bratwurst from the grill, it smells awful
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We also had the idea to do some "running commentary" during October 9
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (lol Damien ;) )
Prokofy Neva: oh that's a cool idea
Gwyneth Llewelyn: At least it should be fun ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And squeeze one meeting or so during the lunch hour.
Prokofy Neva: I guess I should come with a wireless laptop and be in both simultaneously sort of
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So. One thing is to wildly brainstorm about ideas, as we did last Thursday... and can do so now...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: the other is to put names, date & time to it.
Traxx Hathor: Well, I like the topic you suggested I do, Gwyn
Traxx Hathor: Urban planning
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes. urban planning by Traxx : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You'd be welcome to add a short description to that.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, I got a notecard from Eloise... with her own suggestion
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, that's two : )
Traxx Hathor: Neal, you would be perfect for dispute resolution and mediation
Neal Nomad: I seem to remember volunteering for something
Gwyneth Llewelyn: heh.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You actually volunteered for 2 things, Neal ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: One is for helping out to raise funds
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Neal Nomad: right
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Since we have the booth covered - that'll be for the "contest"
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And if I remember correctly, you'd be available for doing the "mediation in SL" topic.
Neal Nomad: ok
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, Kitten suggested last time lots of topics - some to be eventually held by her freinds...
Neal Nomad: as long as Pro in in attendance
Traxx Hathor: hahahah
Prokofy Neva: Wouldn't miss it for the world Neal.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kitten, I wonder if some of your friends have already said when they'd be available?
Neal Nomad: good
Traxx Hathor: Lizbeth should be there too
Kitten Lulu: mmh yeah, as I mentioned discussion groups to them they all disappeared :-(
Kitten Lulu: I mean hosting themm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww nooo Kitten
Gwyneth Llewelyn: BTW
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's too bad.
Kitten Lulu: I can still do the Open source community in SL
Traxx Hathor: nice
Prokofy Neva: Be careful not to turn out *all* your secret members tho, hold some back : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: there is really no "need" to have people be part of Thinkers or something like that to be able to participate, although you're always welcome to join the group : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, Kitten : )
Prokofy Neva: How about the topic of website voting and "direct democracy" and proposals?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Would you be able to host that, prokofy?
Neal Nomad: good choice gwyn
Kitten Lulu: oh, direct democracy =) I have some knowledge of that from the technical point of view
Kitten Lulu: I worked on a software for e-democracy in RL
Prokofy Neva: Well I am going to the RL one so I don't know if I can host the virtual one
Kitten Lulu: oh
Traxx Hathor: that's great, Kitten
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll probably host a very biased meeting about "self-governance in SL" hehe ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: awww right, Prokofy : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But remember - we'll have from Oct 1 to 8
Prokofy Neva: well I can't be there for the whole thing, so maybe I can switch back and forth
Prokofy Neva: ok
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Actually...
Neal Nomad: I think we should do all we can to get the regulars in attendance
Gwyneth Llewelyn: the period of time between 1 and 8
Gwyneth Llewelyn: is also "promotion" : )
Prokofy Neva: well I could host it if it is then in that period of Oct. 1 but maybe someone like Kitten would like to present at it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Since a bunch of events will be announced with something like "SLCC Thinkers' Meeting" or something ;)
Aliasi Stonebender: heh, I dunno about hosting, but you know I'll be there to make my usual quota of smartass comments, heh.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: haha Aliasi, right : )
Neal Nomad: if its a representative thinkers meeting...a one sentence presentation should do the trick
Gwyneth Llewelyn: one paragraph, please : )
Traxx Hathor: : )
Neal Nomad: one uninterrupted paragraph?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And times and dates - don't forget that.
Kitten Lulu: lmao @Neal
Kitten Lulu: It's not in Thinkers' style
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You see, to be honest, I would like to have something "ready" by, say, next Tuesday or so.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: "ready" as in - a list of topics, who's going to host them, which day and which time.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: BTW, feel free to pick *any* hour, not just the "usual" ones.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (usual mostly being the 2-4 PM slot)
Traxx Hathor: Gwyn, how much detail would you like on the presentation?
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Gwyneth Llewelyn
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Transcript of Thinkers' preparation meeting for the SLCC - Part 2 of 3
09-21-2005 03:22
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's up to you, Traxx : ) lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I would just wish to have a paragraph - the event blurb - in advance.
Traxx Hathor: so something that could go in an Event List announcement
Neal Nomad: are we using the soapbox?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just to be able to put it on forums, etc
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And of course, Neal - hahaah
Traxx Hathor: let's bring the soapbox of evil!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Probably version 2.0, under development ;) (not by me, though, so no more silly anims this time!)
Mynci Gorky: this culd be a good opportunity fo non-North Americans to throw something in at a (lol) reasonable hour
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I fully agree, Mynci : )
Prokofy Neva: OK I will send you a paragraph on the website democracy topic.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Are you volunteering for a topci? ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks Prokofy : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (and my question was actually to Mynci!)
Mynci Gorky: dunno what to think about. i'll take a look at some of the topics mentioned on the forum and see what i can do
Mynci Gorky: i'll be in the US at that time too ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: think... community ;)
Mynci Gorky: unfortunately at another meeting
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, right - and will you have access to a computer with broadband?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ahh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm.
Mynci Gorky: of course, this thing is attached to my hip
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol ok ;)
Damien Rutherford: a possible donation by me, an original sculpture to give away as a token
Mynci Gorky: : )
Traxx Hathor: it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Jackal - would you be willing to do something about infoNet? ;)
Traxx Hathor: it seems to be textured with flagstones!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Stone age computer, heh.
Jackal Ennui: i can ask at infonet if someone would be willing to do it, i'm not really knowledgeable nor deeply involved with infonet
Damien Rutherford: texture still to be applied
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah right, sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That was just an idea.
Traxx Hathor: I'll drop my diamond plate steel on you
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Suggestion...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: let's take all who are willing to host a discussion about something...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: meet again next week, give you all time to write that one paragraph
Gwyneth Llewelyn: propose/suggest your favourite date/time
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And see if we can get at least half a dozen meetings
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I've counted, hmm, 5 suggestions so far : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kitten, pester your friends - they had some good ideas.
Kitten Lulu: I will
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Neal, you had tons of good ideas, lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But ideas are easy.
Kitten Lulu: mmmh... I promise to torture them until they agree =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: having people willing to host them is another matter.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, sounds reasonable, Kitten : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, point #2
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Booth : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We have basically 2 options.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The best one is to make a simple contest.
Neal Nomad: got to go ...cable guy is here...fill me in later gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That could simply be announced as an event where people come to pick up the guidelines....
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (ok Neal - see you)
Traxx Hathor: cya Neal
Zodd Thereian: whats do u need idea on ?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And would have, say, one week to submit a proposal
Zodd Thereian: i kinda afk sorry
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Zodd - ideas for hosting meetings
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ctrl-H and scroll back through history, Zodd ;)
Aliasi Stonebender: I'd go for that - the booth building, I mean. now THAT'S my element.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes Aliasi : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The booth will be a 512 m2
Gwyneth Llewelyn: squarish, flattish
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although we will only know which one we'll get on Oct 1
Aliasi Stonebender: yes, was wondetring about size, if it was square-like or first-land shaped ro what.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: This means that whoever wins the contest, they'll have to be flexible.
Kitten Lulu: Will we have a contest? =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll need the usual stuff - some notecards on the Thinkers
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well Kitten - that is suggestion #1 : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: By far the one I prefer. Suggestion #2 is to outsource it
Kitten Lulu: I propose contest + required participation by Aliasi =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: More ideas for the booth - it should have a place where people can sit
Kitten Lulu: or someone of the group
Gwyneth Llewelyn: : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Eventually, some of us are going to use slideshow presenters, so that's also fine
Gwyneth Llewelyn: All that in 117 prims, a challenge ;)
Kitten Lulu: a slieshow presenter would be nice
Kitten Lulu: I'd like to prepare some mindmaps for the meeting about OPen Source Community (or lack of it :-(
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: An image is worth a thousand words, a 3D image a million : )
Traxx Hathor: could you explain your term mindmap?
Kitten Lulu: 3D mindmap =)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww traxx - be around during Oct 1-8, you'll know by then ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Damien Rutherford: Kitten, you should do 3D mindmaps with prims
Kitten Lulu: mmh. it's hard to explain, I'll show you. wait a second
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That would be great, Damien :=
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah Damien
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Here's one suggestion for you to host - international communities in SL (or the lack of those)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: What do you say?
Damien Rutherford: I know the mindmap idea, it would be great to walk around a mindmap and extend it
Prokofy Neva: Hm, mindmap sounds like mindmeme
Traxx Hathor: sounds like analog representation
Traxx Hathor: in AI
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm - should the booth have some place for people to exhibit 3D thingies, then? It's a possibility, of course....
Traxx Hathor: on the roof
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'm no sure if we'll have a roof, actually.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: : )
Aliasi Stonebender: well, too much can eat into prims, unless you want a temp-on-rez workaround.
Prokofy Neva: one hopes the mindmap is descriptive and not *pre*scriptive.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We may have no option but to be open space!
Prokofy Neva: OK I'm off, I will send you my paragraph.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah, I wouldn't trust those, Aliasi : )
Kitten Lulu: ok, who want to see a mind map?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: what I would like to see is something else!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: If you agree with the contest, I'll post the announcement for it on Thursday
Gwyneth Llewelyn: How many days for people to come with creative ideas?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2 weeks?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Is that enough?
Traxx Hathor: 2 minutes
Gwyneth Llewelyn: well, we don't have 2 weeks actually hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: naah Trax, lol
Damien Rutherford: one week then
Traxx Hathor: so that's a mindmap...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: One week, Damien, sounds good.
Kitten Lulu: yes, the important think is how you build it
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Now, I'm willing to give out L$ 2000 in cash for the prize ;)
Kitten Lulu: you add thinkks as needed on PAper
Kitten Lulu: it gives you much more freedom,
Gwyneth Llewelyn: but I'll be glad to have some more generous offers, hehe
Traxx Hathor: more freedom than which alternative?
Damien Rutherford: evaluation and group decision next week?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Kitten - why doesn't your mindmap rezz fully to me? ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aaah yes! - now I see it!
Kitten Lulu: btw, it's an example from the program I use for mindmaps. I am not responsible for the content (having already received complaints=)
Aliasi Stonebender: probably a big texture, still blurry for me.
Damien Rutherford: OK, I can add L$1000 to the prize, if I still can contend
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Also, it would be nice if we could have a place to show the exhibits, although we could use Oak Grove (the Linden place for classes...)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It's big enough
Gwyneth Llewelyn: exhibits uh, the submissions from the contestants...
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Any further comments? My, you are a quiet crowd today, lol
Aliasi Stonebender: hm, just looking for a place to stick models down?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, Aliasi
Gwyneth Llewelyn: and eventually have a "votemaster" thingy
Aliasi Stonebender: I might ask around. I know a couple people with prims to spare, might be willing to help out.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure!
Aliasi Stonebender: not promising anything, but hey, never hurts to ask!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: You'll have 9 days to find a better place ;)
Damien Rutherford: I say we discuss the entries and decide whicj is best instead of voting
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll post the ideas for topics and the ones volunteering to host them on the Thinkers' group forum
Gwyneth Llewelyn: aww Damien
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That's a possibility ;)
Aliasi Stonebender: it's the more Thinker-like way.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, each contestant should also be prepared to discuss the merits of their work? ;)
Aliasi Stonebender: we could organzie it kinda like a show and tell, anyway.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok. I like the idea, hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although we'll probably need 4 hours for that meeting, lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But sounds interesting enough : )
Aliasi Stonebender: well, if we were showing one entry at a time in one event
Aliasi Stonebender: I'd just volunteer my little event area here in Neualten.
Aliasi Stonebender: I keep over 117 prims clear at all times.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Hmm yes, that would work : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Thanks : )
Aliasi Stonebender: well, unless I have my chalkboard rezzed. that monster is 50 prims.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: eeek!!!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: But ok, I'm persuaded
Gwyneth Llewelyn: That sounds a much more interesting idea, hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Set your land to "harm", and weapons will be sold outside ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahaha
Aliasi Stonebender: no.
Aliasi Stonebender: yeah, make people explain why their entry is good.
Aliasi Stonebender: but if I enter, I will warn everyone I like to abuse chain-freezing. ;)
Traxx Hathor: I like the discussion idea
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes - and persuade the rest of the people to vote on their entry : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok. Hmm.
Aliasi Stonebender: I think we have an informal agreement on the discussion option.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: yes, lol
Damien Rutherford: A "discussion" where the last person not chopped to bits wins?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: So, next step will be to get all of this together and put it into a notecard and on the forums
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Damien : )
Traxx Hathor: attack ideas!
Damien Rutherford: No harm option please
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hahahaha
Traxx Hathor: it would be like a thesis defence
Aliasi Stonebender: I believe Gwyn was joking, damien. ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: uh-huh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And I was, yes ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: It should be interesting to watch, anyway.
Mynci Gorky: pleasenot so difficult traxx ;)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Again, this is also meant as "promotion", of course
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ;)
Aliasi Stonebender: well, get the notecards together and let's figure out a time to hold it, I'll stick it up on events.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I'll post the "announcement" event for Thursday
Gwyneth Llewelyn: People will get to know the "rules" and have one week to prepare their work : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: As well as their "thesis" to defend, hehe
Traxx Hathor: heh
Gwyneth Llewelyn: For the Thursday after that, you can post the event on your land : )
Aliasi Stonebender: alright. any idea on time? the usual Thinker-time?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Please just make it around 2-6 PM or so, or else, I won't be able to be around :P
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We'll take some time to discuss
Aliasi Stonebender: Well, on a thursday... hmm... 3 hours after, well, one problem is I have an evening class, and I'm 3 hours ahead of SL.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: 2 hours at least if we have more than 4-5 entries....
Kitten Lulu: 2-4 if possible
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ah. Right. Hmm
Damien Rutherford: all is clear for me, but I have to go now
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok Damien - nice to see you : )
Aliasi Stonebender: so...I could do 6 PM, but earlier is a bit difficult.
Damien Rutherford: see you next Thursday then
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well - what about Friday then , Aliasi? (remember, next week, not this one!)
Traxx Hathor: bye Damien
Aliasi Stonebender: unless Oh, friday I'm good for any period in 2-6 slot.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: so, excellent!
Aliasi Stonebender: it's just thursday is a bad day for me
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Ok, change of plans then : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Let's make it from Friday to Friday.
Aliasi Stonebender: I have a class that meets once a week (RL college) for 3 hours, and an hour commute to and back.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Next Friday, just the announcement, etc. That will be a short one.
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Transcript of Thinkers' preparation meeting for the SLCC - Part 3 of 3
09-21-2005 03:28
Gwyneth Llewelyn: The Friday after that one, at your place, Aliasi
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And it could be the 2-6 PM slot
Aliasi Stonebender: works for me!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: :D
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Nice to have an easy agreement, hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Somehow, it looks like the "contest" will have more participation than the discussions during the SLCC, LOL
Gwyneth Llewelyn: ah well
Gwyneth Llewelyn *shrugs*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I still think the guys organizing it tried to do things too quickly!
Aliasi Stonebender: yeah
Mynci Gorky: can we have a transcript posted or something for us sleepyhead euros?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And btw - anyone is interested in having a booth on their own for the SLCC? ;)
Aliasi Stonebender: I dont' see them as doing it for any sinister purpose, just more they are probably as clueless as the rest of us ultimately. :P
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Yes, Mynci - I'll post it at the Thinkers' forum.
Mynci Gorky: thx gwyn
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Well, hopefully not, Aliasi : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I like toimagine that they're a well-oiled organization doing all this amazing stuff. Heh.
Aliasi Stonebender: well
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although, as prokofy mentioned, their meetings are a bit hard to attend, lol
Aliasi Stonebender: I've never been to a semi-pro deal like this, but I know my hobbyist conventions are done on a wing and a prayer.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: awww lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I guess I have the opposite experience, hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I do (or did, before the recession) organize some fandom conferences & conventions - but they'd take almost a year to prepare
Gwyneth Llewelyn: I've got a pretty good idea on what "volunteer work means" ;)
Aliasi Stonebender: hm, reminds me.. a bit unrelated, but I forget - was there any talk of having a Neualtenburg booth there?
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Just like our informal meetings at Thinkers'. See, we have 220 members or so - but probably only 5 or 6 discussions during Oct 1-8 : )
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Oh yes, Aliasi - Neualtenburg will have a 2048 m2 booth there.
Traxx Hathor: I'll ask Lizbeth Marlowe if she's interested
Traxx Hathor: she can't attend regular Thinkers meetings or she'd be here
Aliasi Stonebender: heh. so N-burg gets 4 times the space.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Sure, traxx : ) BTW, I have to talk to Liz, I owe her money!!! lol
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Not "gets", Aliasi - "buys" : )
Aliasi Stonebender: ahhhh
Aliasi Stonebender: well, not like I know a lot about it.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Each booth costs L$ 8,400 per 512 m2
Gwyneth Llewelyn: or the equivalent in US$
Aliasi Stonebender: yipes.
Gwyneth Llewelyn *nods*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Remember, this is the FIRST convention ever : )
Aliasi Stonebender: if it goes well, one hopes not the last.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: We could have a bigger spot for Thinekrs', lol, but let's not stress generousity, hehe
Gwyneth Llewelyn: For now, we'll compensate doing some events : )
Aliasi Stonebender: eh, 512 is plenty if we have notecard dispensors.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And eventually, next year (or next time, or whatever) we may have a longer period to organize our own agenda.
Traxx Hathor: we can plan ahead for that
Traxx Hathor: Thinkers is going to be around forever
Gwyneth Llewelyn: hehe hopefully, Traxx, hopefully!
Gwyneth Llewelyn: Although it was a bit shaky some months ago.
Gwyneth Llewelyn: And ah well - we're over for today ;) Thanks for coming!
Kitten Lulu: will the transcript be posted on the forum, Gwy? *I just discovered the forum :-)*
Gwyneth Llewelyn: (have to rememebr to sae a copy of history)
Gwyneth Llewelyn: lol Kitten - yes

Formatted and colorized with transcript.
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Time change for the contest announcement, from 2 PM to 5 PM PST
09-23-2005 10:45
If you're reading this, I needed to push the time from 2 PM to 5 PM PST on the contest announcement (Friday, Sep 23rd), due to an overlapping appointment iRL.

My sincere apologies to you all, and I still hope you'll be able to make it and be around.
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09-29-2005 11:58
I've posted the actual contest for Friday, the 30th, 4 PM grid-time.

My place in Neualtenburg, the Field of Can'-ka no Rey, if you've not been. It's the big rosefield with tower outside the city.
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Update - How to set up the Events
10-03-2005 01:42
Hello all,

Just a short update. Right now, events can only be announced for the SLCC booth by the SLCC group officers. This means that you should IM Baccara Rhodes & Fey Brightwillow to ask them to set up the event for you. Feel free to set them up in advance.

Sadly, Prokofy Neva is formally boycotting the in-world events because of some statements publicly made by one of the organizers of the SL part of the SLCC, so we have one less event. On the other hand, Ulrika Zugzwang and Spengler Roo are considering to host their own events as well, so it should balance out nicely :)

- Gwyn
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