Ban Line detector

Every time I crash into a ban line my ship explodes, or my limbs dislocate or even worse my hair blows off - seriously I either have to teleport to release myself or worse yet log off. Its often too late to miss ban lines.

So - just an idea because I dont have the technical knowledge - couldnt one of you clever script people invent a ban line detector hud that gives you a warning of an approaching ban line and thus the chance to miss it ?

It is possible to detect when your av leaves your own land. If you fly above the banline height (about 70 meters above the ground height), you should have no problems. Crossing a sim boundary is another problem.

thats what I was lead to believe but I hit one at a couple of hundred metres today....the damn things are a nuisance however as people are bound to start bemoaning their rights to putting up ban lines rather than banning indivdual nuisances I thought a ban line sonar might sell well.... Id certainly buy one rather than end up hopping around with one leg at 180 degrees and my hair whipped off

Funny ban line story from the other night. Found a nice big open water area and decided to hop in my speedboat and cruise around. Had it wound up to about 50% power and "BAM", I got the banned popup and sunk to the bottom of the water (and got stuck). Looked up at my minimap and my boat was still cruising along unhindered.

Logged off and back on and someone had sent me an IM asking me if I had lost a boat as it had washed up on their beach.

I dont like how some ban lines operate issuing ban notices when youre actually nowhere near the ban line...Ive even had them in the past when Ive been on my own land..

I think they're some kind of security script that adds you to the ban list then removes you.

Normal access-only ban lines - the ones that apply to everybody - only go to 50m above ground. Ones that explicitly ban you go a lot higher.

how about someone inventing a ban line banner

mind you then I suppose someone would invent a ban line banner banner...

and then would come the ban line banner banner banner....

and

the bear went round the mountain

I have posted this before but we need some sort of optional overlay on the minimap that shows banned parcels.

Is there any way at all to defend against auto-griefers? I refer to the "home security systems" I see all over the place. I can be flying along, in a public space, minding my own business, when out of the blue a dialog pops up on my screen saying something like "You are not authorized to be in this area. You have 10 seconds to leave."

Now, how am I to know what area I have to be clear of in 10 seconds? I guess I'm clear if, 10 seconds later, I don't disappear! Otherwise, I find myself TPd home, and a bit more irritated at having been griefed and having no recourse. If the time is set to 2 seconds instead of 10 (common enough) or if I was exploring an area and don't know how to get back, that makes for a bad day!

At least when unfriendly people use banlines, they advertise their unfriendliness (so you know to stay away) and at the same time, you can't be griefed by a banline. The problem with vehicles is another matter though, and I really think banlines should be banned along with autogriefing "security" systems!

Some think they own the land and all the sky over the land, Corax.

Personally, I think that LL has made their position clear (clear for them anyway ) by making access-only ban lines end 50m above ground. Others don't agree.

"Ban Lines" at over 50 meters above ground level (note: above ground level, not jsut 50m altitude) are not ban lines (Unless you have been specifically banned from that parcel, in which case, this is a moot discussion). Those are security systems.

There is no way to see them, though a simple look will tell you where a lot will be. Skyboxes at 750m (there for privacy obviously) are a prime example.

While unable to "see" them, they can be easily avoided if your only intent is to fly around (being lower to see the ground/builds nessitates dealing with them). Simply fly above 850m. The 750m build cut-off limit plus 96m for max scanner range using LSL (rounded up for easy mnomics).

And Sindy, landowners do own all the land straight up. Land ban lists effecting to ifinity make LL's opinion of that clear. ^.~

However, as Corax asked, yes there is an option for "overactive" security systems. Abuse Report them.

All security systems need to be within the CS. That is, LL has stated that they must give a warning, and must give sufficient time for others to leave the area before subjected to the security measures. TP-Home is quite valid, but "excessive" ||Push is not.

Example: I use a security system at my workshop. Located at 300m and over a 1024m plot. First of all; the system is set to NOT activate over the parcel borders (Almost all the security systems have this feature. If they don't, then anyone owning those that don't should look for ones actually scripted correctly). Even with the small area, I give a Warning (System Text and Blue Dropdown Notice) after 10 seconds. I use a slight ||Push after 30 seconds to move the intruder off my parcel (The effect of the ||Push setting I use is actually lower than that of the LL Eject settings). I use the light ||Push over TP-Home for the benifit of fliers. This way they keep on their vehicles and in the general area. Usually only moved 10-20m off my parcel lines. If it's a true idiot (ie griefer) I either add to the land's ban list, or place on the "Active Target" list of the security system, which then TP-Homes the offender after 5 seconds with no warning.

It comes down to common sense (which is pretty rare). Basically, if you think a security system is "overactive", then AR it. Keep in mind, however, that if you file a lot of "false" or "misguided" ARs, then LL may start to look at your ARs with the "boy who cried wolf" outlook.

~Jessy

Hit a ban line while hang gliding. Not a pretty sight.

Often hit them near shore while sailing down channels. Boat keeps moving without me. I usually just rez a new boat if build is enabled, and the old one ends up being auto returned. Bit of a pain in the panties, but it's so second life.

yep, I got hit by a security-device created "ban line" earlier today on my Home sim....

Innocently flying across my Home sim, at approximately 100m, when the dreaded blue "You have 15 seconds..." dialog appears.

Desperately tried to about-turn but was unable to within time. My machine was ripped from under me, I was catapulted into a neighbouring sim where, ironically, I landed on a parcel using exactly the same security devise, which in turn gave me another 15 second warning.

I was then added to the parcels' ban lists for 3 hours.

The saddest thing to me is that the security-device created "ban lines" do indeed extend up the whole extent of the parcel (EDIT: to 800m) , and so, once you've been added, it makes flying across that part of the sim impossible until the ban is released. This seems completely OTT to me, especially if flying at a height that is way above any property, objects or other things that the parcel owner might want to keep "safe".

That the parcel in question is right in the middle of the sim effectively rules out any further (enjoyable/stress-free) flying or parachuting for the banned period.

I might add that our Sim Owner imposes a minimum of a 15 second warning in the Covenant, and also once took steps to make a parcel owner change his security device settings after it was banning innocent passer-bys for 8192 hours, and so in this resepct we are more fortunate then some others.

But ban lists can only hold 300 names - a tiny number compared to the number online at any given time.

I think it can be argued that this means that the Lindens think that anybody has a right to pass over mainland parcels that they have not been explicitly banned from.

Agreed, but add to this the following:

...within reason of politeness, allowing for others to enjoy a medium of privacy.

Why? Because there are reasons people have for not wanting people passing over at certain times, and they should have the right to have that right.

As for the 300...*shrugs* I'd say LL figured that 300 was enough of a limit for stupidity. MOST people will act with intelligence and common curtousy so as not to become an annoyance to others to the point of needing to be banned.

~Jessy

It can also be argued that the Lindens never really thought the whole thing through.
It's just one of SL's imperfections.

I scripted a hud that was supposed to check 8 compass points for restricted access of any kind and set text over the hud to indicate which direction. the script call to check the datbase is so slow its completely useless. Another big problem is how far to set the sensor.
If i set it to 30 meters (the sufficient distance for a good flying speed vrs script speed tradeoff) I risk missing many of the 16 sq meter banlines areas. I abandoned the project as futile.

Now there is something that should be thought about. Removing land options like ban lines for parcels under 512m. Why in the wide world would anyone need to put up ban lines on a 16m parcel EXCEPT to grief people using LL's own system?

~Jessy

Conan Godwin brought up a related issue a while back (where is he? Did he fall off the planet?) regarding universal air space and vehicles entering parcels. Here's a proposal in JIRA that talks about this stuff; all pertinent info is in the issue:

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2223

One problem with this story.

If there's a security system, it's not public space. Unless it's Linden owned or specifically says that it's open, you should probably go by the rule of thumb that it's private property.

And, as far as I can tell, and I'm more than open to be told different (providing that you supply facts and links to Linden rulings, not just opinion and supposition), it's not griefing to kick someone off your land.

People may not like llTeleportHome, but it's not illegal.
Griefing is against the rules. llTeleportHome isn't.

oh plase mickey you read his post. his gripe is not knowing untill he's on them that they are there. he stated he has no problem with bannlines cuz they let youknow what's off limits he wants a way to stay clear of them and says so. please don't qoute mine to troll ok?

There's another type of invisible "ban-line" on the way - Content Restriction.
This one will be harder/impossible to fly through. Other than setting the parcel to 'restricted content' the landowner has no control whatsoever over who may or may not enter.


A re-engineered SL or a decent competition might do things like
- Separate continents for landowners who simply will not have anyone on or over their land unless invited
- No-build layer of altitude reserved for flying, with a 'keep them moving' landowner option.
- Separate continents for Restricted content


A 'keep them moving' option would apply to avatars that would not be allowed entry under the current access options. It would force the avatar/vehicle to keep moving in the same direction and altitude at which they entered - and maybe with a minimum speed.
Yes. It would fly one straight into the tall building on the other side of the parcel, confuse the hell out of vehicle scripts, and make baby jesus cry.

Flying is a mess. I fear that it will always be so on the mainland.
Island groups can agree and enforce conditions.


Maybe the next continents that LL build could be designed/coded to avoid the mayhem?

I actually started a project at one time of mapping out ban lines with bots to a remote server.

If one was smart enough and had enough time they could make a ban line detector that way.

jesus Sling you're right. as one who has intended never to id verify, bucking into restricted parcels while in flight hadn't occured to me.
yes we'll now have an invisible glass wall in addition to the "temporarily visible if you're close enough for long enough" glass walls.

llScriptDanger
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/llScriptDanger
llGetParcelFlags
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/llGetParcelFlags

*moves to scripting*