unseat an avatar

I was just unseated in a sandbox several times. I've been under the (false) impression that this was not possible...

So. anyone have any clue how this was done?

I'm not sure what you were sitting on, but if it was copyable for everyone, someone could take a copy and that would unseat you. (At least it used to)

it was my object. no chance that anyone could use the old take a copy method.

in fact, it was a non-phys vehicle.

Then possibly someone from the sandboxes land group was there and unsat you.

it was a Linden sandbox, so that's unlikely.

An object in the sim that belongs to the same owner as the land contains a script which called llUnSit on you. If it's group owned land then the prim is deeded to the same group. This will unsit you regardless what you're sitting on, even if the object belongs to you.

If it's a Linden sandbox then maybe less restrictions apply. Or maybe less restrictions in sandboxes in general.

Nice try, all you did was describe how llUnsit works though.

http://rpgstats.com/wiki/index.php?title=LlUnSit

This was not llUnsit. Linden sandboxes have the same land rules as all mainland sims. This has really got my attention.

You mentioned that the object belonged to you. So I was just mentioning that the llUnSit function doesnt have to be in an object owned by the avatar being unseated. Good for you that you already know that then. Nice attitude you got there.

I think the question wanting to be answered is "How is it possible to unseat any avatar, at anytime, from anywhere?"

Which, using all the variables given to us in the the various posts, is not possible.

Did you click anything, anything at all... even something that appeared to be safe?

An llSitTarget in an invisible object can be used to unseat you.

Also, make sure you don't have any invisible prims in your work area already that someone has left behind.

A long time ago before I owned my own land to work on, this happened to me. I highligted transparencies, and found out I had been working on my project "inside" of someone elses prim and everytime I sat down on "my box" I was being un-sat by that persons prim, not my own at all.

After drag-selecting and moving my box out and away, it worked fine.

Just a thought and could very well not be the case, but might want to check into it, and try re-reziing your project in another area and trying again to see if the same thing happens or not.

Take care,
Hap

Indeed, and yet...

Well to be honest with you, I can't think of any other way than those that have been described here for it to have taken place. I have been learning scripting for some time now, and a lot of it has been centered around vehicles, animation, teleporters, and the like.

All of which involve sitting and unsitting avatars.

Sitting and unsitting an avatar involves something even more basic than actually asking an av for permission to run say an animation or to take controls of a vehicle... it is actually built into the SL environment.

You can't unsit an avatar until they have sat upon something (of course) - you can refuse an av the permission to sit upon something - and scripts can get stuck in prims at times.

So... other than a stuck script in the prim you're working with that is unsitting you, an invisiprim / transparent prim that you are accidently sitting on, something getting in your way while you're clicking on an object, or a similar situation... there is no way for "someone" to spontaneously unsit you from a distance.

Could be a glitch or lag in the system perhaps even. But there is no way for a person, hacker, or griefer to remotely unsit you from an object without having placed a script inside the prim you are working on.

Might check for an extra script if you were working with it open mods, but that would be about the extent of it, or an old script that was failing you at one point could still be in the prim as it were, and you need to start with a new prim.

Take care,
Hap

Also - you may want to check any recent freebie items you might be wearing. Many people love to make 'freebies' that are generally annoying with lovely little hiccups like this. If you do have any, try sitting down anywhere away from the problem area that doesn't have a poseball in it, and see what happens. If it does happen again, start removing items one at a time until it stops.

Like you, I have been scripting for some time, I've also done vehicles, teleporters, weapons, doors, non physical movement, etc etc.

I am extremely aware of every script I run.

This is why i asked in here. There is no way that i should have been able to be unseated, and yet i was.

Several times.

There was a person in vicinity actively attacking residents at the time, and i suspect a new weapon has been developed.

were you in an H1 or H4 sim?

sandbox island is H1.

all the methods of unsitting someone I can thing of require either control of the object being sat upon, (unsit, changing sculpt maps, enabling flexi, ) or require land privs (unsit).

doing a fake cover of an object is a possibility, though slight.

I believe there is a way to do it via physics but IIRC you would've been more than just unsat.

I can't imagine how someone would get control of your object, I expect you looked for cover objects, which leaves us with land privs....

So, land privs have been compromised?

No, to be honest, I personally think it's more likely that something is going on that you don't understand, and are therefore unable to tell us.

It's possible you're being unsat by an estate manager, sim owner, or land owner.
it's possible some security system deeded to the land group (or owned by the land owner) is unsitting you, it's possible that your prim is unsitting you (there may be some aspect of your prim that is changing that unsits you).. it's possible you're unknowingly wearing a joke attachment that keeps you from being able to sit for any length of time (got anything from a camping chair? or while camping?). it's possible, although unlikely, that you're in a damage enabled area and being killed. it's possible you're actually sitting on the ground and are being unsat from there. it's possible you're sitting on someone ele's prim that is overlapping your own prim, and it's unsitting you. it's possible you're accidentally clicking some invisible object that you can't see, whose action is to sit and immediately unsit you.



It's conceivable that you've discovered some huge new monsterous exploit that someone has managed to incorporate into a weapon and is using to harrass you... however, if you have, you should file an abuse report and not post in "Scripting tips"

OH! and it's just possible that periodically your nonphysical vehicle is getting returned/deleted!

Did the OP turn on view transparent?

One way to do this is with a transparent, "following" prim with "click-to-sit" set. Surrounds the victim, so they're clicking on this prim instead of what they think they're clicking on, along with a die-on-click so it vanishes when they do.

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I find Mystitool's collision detection helpful -- it at least tells you what you've been hit with. Not sure if this functionality is in the $1L version or not.

Yeah, it's in the "freebie" too. (that's what I use)

Winter, this was in a linden sandbox. That severely limits the number of people able to use land privs to unseat you.

I was sitting on a mystitool non phys vehicle, and also wearing a custom scripted collision detector. Yes, I did have ctrl alt t toggled, and no, there was no evidence a prim with the default action set click to sit, nor was i trapped.

While it is possible that a linden was returning my vehicle, there were none present, and if there were, they would have been more interested in the person sitting on the prim firing physical objects at residents.

What I'm thinking now, is that there is one more possibility to explore before declaring that there is an exploit, and that is the behavior of an offset sittarget, commonly known as phased, or off sensor.

That's the only thing i can think of.

were you travelling off the edge of the world?
is autoreturn on?

Did you accidentally press "release keys?"

lol, no, none of the above. I'm inworld testing mystitool now, and looking at sitargets.

The mystery is solved! Turned out to be a bug introduced into the mysti npv when using the off sensors mode.

Fix is in the works. Thanks everyone.