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Goodwill Epoch
Admiral of Kazenojin
Join date: 20 May 2003
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12-10-2005 04:23
Hello,

It has been far too long since I've been in SL. Work, and RL and that. Of course this does NOT mean I am back in SL. But I would like to tour around a bit.

In regards to X-flight, I have been getting numerous questions about it. And I have also been informed that is being widely distributed and used by numerous people. Which of course goes stricly against the comments I wrote explicitly into the script itself. So I would like to say a few things.

- Please stop distributing it. The script is outdated. There are far better flight enhancers now, the script was based on the physics engine pre-1.2. It was also buggy for its time, much less now. There are far better options available.

- This includes modifying it or selling modified versions of it.

- If you are or continue to sell an item or give an item away that has the X-flight script in any form, please contact me for permission and send the lesser of 20000 L$, or 100 L$ per item sold or given away.

If you have any questions on this or would liek to make arrangements, please let me know.

If you have and are currently using an object with the X-flight script, I would suggest looking at other options. From what I understand there are a number of other options available. Personally, I impressed by Huns Valen's approach.

Also, please post here if you have or currently use X-flight, I would be interested to get some feedback on it since it is so widespread. I'm not concerned with those using the script, but with does distributing and selling the script without permission.

Sincerely,
Goodwill Epoch
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Kage Seraph
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Join date: 3 Nov 2004
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12-11-2005 06:10
Howdy! Awhile back, I included a flight booster script in some of the avs I sell, and I wonder if it might be XFlight; could you post a header function or snippet of the code here for comparison? I'm not asking for the full script, just a snippet of a function so I can copare it to a script stripped of any licensing (I think). If it does turn out to be XFlight, I'll pull it.
Goodwill Epoch
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12-11-2005 18:16
From: Kage Seraph
Howdy! Awhile back, I included a flight booster script in some of the avs I sell, and I wonder if it might be XFlight; could you post a header function or snippet of the code here for comparison? I'm not asking for the full script, just a snippet of a function so I can copare it to a script stripped of any licensing (I think). If it does turn out to be XFlight, I'll pull it.

I'm not able to get in game right now. I'll message you when I can. I understand there are a number of versions of my script with my information removed.
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Lisa Trudeau
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12-18-2005 14:02
my x-flight is no copy/no mod/transfer (was, deleted it because it was wayyy messed up), so i don't know the contents of the script. I got it free out of a giveall freebies box that was laying around in rausch, i used it the one time and stopped, i found for some reason when i move forward, i moved me downwards into the ground, and was so fast it was constantly killing me trying to land =X
Strife Onizuka
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Join date: 3 Mar 2004
Posts: 5,887
12-18-2005 15:54
I've used the script extensively, when i was a n00b i bought a set of wings that came with it. The way it works is predictable, and like a bike you can learn to control it; though it's not the easiest to work with.

I've never distributed the script.

IMHO the cat is out of the bag, its going to be impossible to get it back in. Good luck collecting royalties.
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Polka Pinkdot
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01-24-2006 12:35
I don't know, maybe you could post some pointers to where one might find the better flight objects?

For the vast majority of noobs, the choices seem to be:
1. free outdated Carbon rod I found in a box
2. Huge gaudy overpriced vehicles/wings
3. nothing

I mean the carbon rod is wonderful because you can unobtrusively attach it to your avatar when you need to check out some skybox, and then stick it right back in your inventory when you're done. It's simple, fast, and free. The only complaint I have it that it has a noticable upward you drift once you pass the 250m boundry.

I do have to wonder though, who asks for help on a freebie object they found in a box? I assume that anything you find in one of those is unsupported. I know you don't want to support the X-flight stuff anymore, but that's really no reason to throw away the script entirely.
Argent Stonecutter
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01-24-2006 12:46
From: Polka Pinkdot
I don't know, maybe you could post some pointers to where one might find the better flight objects?
Cyberflight, at Skyhook Station, 500m above Avalon Lagoon at LostFurest dAlliez <100,10,520> (approximately). Free and open source.

Or Cubey Terra's cool retro garish jetpacks in Abbotts. Commercial and high-feature.
Winter Ventura
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11-09-2006 16:43
As soon as I can implement a working replacement, I will quite happilly delete every trace of X-Flight from my products and inventory.
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Jesse Barnett
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11-09-2006 17:12
From: Winter Ventura
As soon as I can implement a working replacement, I will quite happilly delete every trace of X-Flight from my products and inventory.

The Flight Assist script that is in the library now works fine. I've been using it for a couple of months and will never go back to anything else.
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Kepster Cure
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11-09-2006 17:24
Do we really need to get that HIGH......anyway:D

Ok seriously it is a bit buggy for me, I can barely control my av when he's wearin it and after a certain height he'll just continue floating up regardless of wether I've released the controls or not. Thanks for allowing the community to use your script though, I did manage to use it several times and it is appreciated.
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Joannah Cramer
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11-09-2006 17:33
Mhmm just a note, but the original post it a year old corpse of thread starter... ^^;;
Jesse Barnett
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11-09-2006 17:46
Caught that before I replied. But I am sure that Winter also was aware of that because of having to find the thread. Still a relevant and timely thread though. Flight assist is a necessity in SL and I have been through so many of them, gifts, bought and freebies. All of them have some problems. THe FLight Assist script works better then the rest I have tried. It has one little problem of you hovering just above the ground when you teleport somewhere sometimes. But still, very fast, smooth flight and hover has no drift.

I don't know how the OP lost control of his script in the beginning. But I guess since there is no word otherwise that his wishes should still be followed.
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Aakanaar LaSalle
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11-09-2006 17:49
It is still good to know though. I have an X-Rod that I picked up somewhere for free, that I think may use this script. It does have it's share of problems. I may look into figguring out how to script one of my own, one of these days.
Joannah Cramer
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11-09-2006 18:15
From: Jesse Barnett
It has one little problem of you hovering just above the ground when you teleport somewhere sometimes. But still, very fast, smooth flight and hover has no drift.

This can be easily resolved with something like...
CODE

// pseudocode
changed( integer Change ) {

if( Change & CHANGED_TELEPORT ) { if( altitude_check(altitude_threshold) == FALSE ) state disabled; }
}

... put in the hover state or wherever o.O;
Winter Ventura
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11-09-2006 19:13
From: Joannah Cramer
Mhmm just a note, but the original post it a year old corpse of thread starter... ^^;;


Unfortunately.. it's one of the top threads in "Scripting Tips" when you do a forum search for the word "Flight". If it hadn't been for a conversation this morning, I wouldn't have been looking for flight scripts.. Since to date X-Flight 1.98e has performed flawlessly for me.

See my post of today.. in regards to my hopes of replacing X-Flight with more up-to-date code.
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Raeyan Aldrich
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11-11-2006 19:12
im not here to insult anyone, but if you sold that script to someone with full permissions... they have every right to resell it/distribute it if my understanding of the EULA is correct. So unless i'm wrong, I don't believe anyone is required to pay you any sum of money, although i do believe it would be appropriate for them to respect your wish to stop using the script.

just my L$0.02

edit: on a side note... while i was helping someone else with a script here... the thought crossed my mind that i've never seen this script and that you mentioned having license instructions in the script itself. in which case you probably do have the right to ask everyone to stop using it unless they paid for it, however i'm not sure this would entitle you to fees from everyone else, as they most likely bought that script from someone else and, therein were under the impression they owned a copy of it legitimately.
Strife Onizuka
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11-11-2006 22:51
From: Winter Ventura
As soon as I can implement a working replacement, I will quite happilly delete every trace of X-Flight from my products and inventory.


*sighs*
Where did i leave my nerf bat?

There are nicer, better things then X-Flight. Several multi-gadgets have x-flight alternatives.
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Winter Ventura
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11-12-2006 03:35
As a Resmod.. perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out these "nicer and better alternatives?" I manufacture and sell a product, that I have just become aware., relies upon an engine I do not have liscense to use.

If you'd care to point me to better alternative scripts.. I'd be quite grateful.
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Francis Chung
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11-12-2006 07:07
From: Raeyan Aldrich
im not here to insult anyone, but if you sold that script to someone with full permissions... they have every right to resell it/distribute it if my understanding of the EULA is correct. So unless i'm wrong, I don't believe anyone is required to pay you any sum of money, although i do believe it would be appropriate for them to respect your wish to stop using the script.


Mod/Copy/Transfer permissions are just DRM - they have nothing to do with copyright or fair use. Just because you have the ability to redistribute the script, it does not mean you have the right.

To be fair to Goodwill, I believe his script predated SL's permission system, and it had "DO NOT REDISTRIBUTE" printed across the top of it.
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11-12-2006 07:13
From: Strife Onizuka
*sighs*


There are nicer, better things then X-Flight. Several multi-gadgets have x-flight alternatives.

Yes but they crash and burn when jumping sims or incountering pockets of lag.
:rolleyes:
Strife Onizuka
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11-12-2006 08:47
From: Winter Ventura
If you'd care to point me to better alternative scripts.. I'd be quite grateful.


Flight assists aren't my area of expertise, I've never really been interested in them (that and sky diving). When it comes to flight assists they have been given as gifts (being a scripter who answers questions & posts examples has its perks). I have a bad memory for names, and I'm not ingame presently to dig through my inventory; though I do recall that Cubey was working on one a long time ago. He has always been the type to get things moving nicely (I remember Cubey because he was a big name in flight in SL when I joined).
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- Cyril Connolly

Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey
Raeyan Aldrich
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11-12-2006 13:20
From: Francis Chung
Mod/Copy/Transfer permissions are just DRM - they have nothing to do with copyright or fair use. Just because you have the ability to redistribute the script, it does not mean you have the right.

To be fair to Goodwill, I believe his script predated SL's permission system, and it had "DO NOT REDISTRIBUTE" printed across the top of it.


yes and as i mentioned in the edit of that post the people who bought copies of the script from another SL'er were under the impression that they received a legit copy of it. it would be no different than say buying a copy of windows from some mom&pop computer store, then 6 months later microsoft brings down a lawsuit on them for making illegal copies of windows... microsoft is entitled to go after the owners of the store for loss of profits, but the only legal action that can be taken against the people who bought illegal copies is to revoke their rights to the illegal copy.
im simply saying that the only way someone actually owes the creator money in this case is if they received their copy directly from him/her and then resold it to other people. because then if any of those people sold their copies, they would be violating the copyright they believed to be bound by from the fraudulent seller. so the creator can go after person1 for money, and person 1 can go after anyone who resold a copy they bought from him and so forth, but since he never actually owned rights to it, he wont have much of a case to get himself paid.
Goodwill Epoch
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11-13-2006 06:09
Maybe this is where I step in and answer this for you:
A:
From: Goodwill Epoch
- If you are or continue to sell an item or give an item away that has the X-flight script in any form, please contact me for permission and send the lesser of 20000 L$, or 100 L$ per item sold or given away... ...or to make other arrangements contact me.
I'm not asking for payment from those who use it, only those who "Continue" to distribute it. Mostly this is meant as a deterrent, like Compuserve asking for payment for .gifs created, not those who view them :-P According to the SL EULA(As you gleefully quoted), since it is my creation, I own all rights to said script, which means I can demand payment from those who have either distributed without permission or have made profit off of it. So far I haven't recieved L$1 because I never intended to take nor need the funds. I just ask you remove it and provided a mild incentive to do it, if you really and truly want to continue selling or giving it away, then you really should be contacting me.

B:The script did predate rights in SL and was clearly labeled to not be distributed/sold/copied without permission. That has since been removed/changed/muddled in the many thousands of objects it is now in. And only rarely(considering its widespread use) have I been question about the "legality" of selling or using it.

C:Read the thread, there are already a few other options offered. I'm rather tired of being contacted by people who buy something with X-Flight in it and say "Fix my bracelet" or "Where are the instructions for my wings?" The original, and only object X-Flight was ever put in by me was an inanimate Carbon Rod.

D:The first I'm hearing of this is randomly looking through the forum at some threads I started. Maybe you should be contacting me directly if you have questions on this. So far I have recieved no IM's, PM's, or Emails about this from you or anyone else on this forum.
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