An Important Board Meeting

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Who made those?

Made what, the flamingos? They come in the library.

Ahhh... right. I never look in there. I was also curious who made the mall.

MrsJajakal Suavag made the deck stalls. The Nexcom building (the background in the first image and the building to the left in the second image) was constructed by Traxx Hathor. Traxx has done some very interesting and professional work for our company, Mythic Construction. You might like to look at the Mythic building at the Brownlee telehub.

Thank you!

Actually, she didn't, even though her name is on as "creator" on that particular copy of the object. I made them originally, using textures from the library, and the texture of the tin roof made by Jai Nomad and sold for $1 at the GUN Warehouse.

I wanted to have a very simple, low-prim and weatherbeaten look for the booths so that they would rez quickly, and people could fly by and buy, and vendors could easily see where to go.

All that Mrs. Jakal Suavage did one night was come and help me how to line up pieces using numbers. I was having trouble getting them to line up right because I was still learning how to use numbers on perpendiculars. She finally just bought the pieces and lined them up herself and sold them back to me. It was a kindness she did back then, although later she proved unkind like many other "helpers". The design is mine, however, the textures are other people's.

My original piece was in inventory somewhere, and when making these set of docks I happened to take this aligned piece with her name as "creator" when I duplicated it.

Of course I could go take out another copy with myself as creator but why not recognize Mrs J's efforts in helping me fix up the numbers on that piece? I'm sure some day, like other people I could mention, she will come to her senses.

You are one serious piece of work, my dear Prokofy. Instead of simply saying "hey, she helped me make it, isnt that great?" you had to go a slam her, didn't you?

I would suggest you take your own advice before serving it to others.

Yeah, I sure am a piece of work -- I have found that's the way you have to get to be in this game, which turns mighty vicious on you at times.

The reason I "slammed" her was to do a preemptive, because it will be moments before she comes here and blasts me with something like "I didn't ask you to fucking send it" about my kids, etc. She has a HUGE amount of baggage and angst on me from a silly incident that happened in the game with a tenant who had what she deemed to be a "big-ass" boat -- well it's too boring to go into. Ask me in game if you care. People were already working overtime, and taking losses, to resolve this concern when she showed up to complain, and even when they assured her the problem would be over in 24 hours she kept up her complaints and second-guessings as to motivations and went on and on.

I wanted to make sure, too, that Ferren, even with his busy 60-hour work week doing important telecom stuff, didn't pick up this tired hymn of Traxx's that goes something like this: rokofy is such a floundering fool. He needs major remedial help. Everyone has helped him. Why, look Mrs. J built something for him, even though he treated her like shit on the forums, etc." This is the tired and repetitive mantra that they go all over the game with, Traxx even puts it on his profile, and when you have a thing like that following you everwhere, I feel it's good to fight back a little bit.

I wanted to make sure to pre-empt all that, and now I have. So whenever those two show up to do their usual yammering about how I'm a fuck-up and a loser and need building help, they can stuff it.

If you think this design and this build sucks, that's your right, as a major high-end architect. I'm just trying to create something useful and something that has atmosphere. It's amazing to me how you can take a neat texture like that one I found, add it to some prims, add a seagull, and create an atmosphere of "boardwalk" like Coney Island that makes people want to come. Visit the one in Alston which is all filled with vendors and is a great place to hang out and talk to people, near the fishing game. I just love to stand there and talk to people and drink in the whole SL wilderness.

I just like to have those moments of joy in the game that come from creating something and having some pride in it -- before someone tries to take them away from me with their fascistic perfectionism.

And yes, I will keep up my "garish" signs too because it helps people see and rent them. I haven't even advertised them yet and I filled 2. Maybe it will be a flop. I don't care. I'm playing the game and having fun as is my right, on my property, even if I am the poor sick floundering puppy you believe me to be.

I get that the two of you aren't best friends, but by placing a 'preemptive' post, you simply opened the can of worms yourself and set the stage for a flame war between you two. A simple explanation w/o the slam would have sufficed and not made you appear to be thankless or petty.

A better man would have taken that route.



I didn't make on comment on your build. I simply asked who made it. Don't go letting your imaginatin run wild Prokofy.

Hi Juro.




Better to open it and flame it out like the non-event it is, than have to suffer through three rounds of arrows. Trust me on this one, pre-emption is the wisest course -- otherwise there'd be 3 rounds of "Hmm, interesting, isn't it, that she built that, while he was a bitch to her?" and 'Yes, see, I do nice things for people even when they are bastards" and "Yes, you are so kind and loving hun hugz" and "yeah, you sure showed him up to be a bastard" etc.. Instead, we can cut straight to the chase here: whatever kindess was fleetingly shown to me in helping me with a box and its numbers (and renting a vending space briefly) evaporated as soon as other factors came into play, chief of which was the meta-game ratings system. It would be laborious to explain it all here but it sums up this way: people are nice to you as long as they find it convenient and it makes them feel like they look good and makes them feel good. The instant that equilibrium changes, they're not nice anymore LOL.



You can play that game if you want to. I'm not here to play the meta-rep-game with its elaborate but invisible system of negs and posses depending on who you suck up to and who you don't and how you behave according to a certain standard established by the tribe. In this game, it's not possible to be that "better man" given forums culture.

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Originally Posted by Prokofy Neva

The reason I "slammed" her was to do a preemptive....



*Of course* you made a comment, Juro. Do you think I'm stupid??? *Of course* you made a comment. Don't think you can put that over on me!

So once again let me spell out what this is about:

1. I defend my right to build even if it is not the most aesthetic build if it gives me joy.
2. I defend my right to place my builds in sims even with uber-architects who are horrified by what they view as a crappy build with gaudy signs; in fact, it's an especially good exercise to keep enforcing the diversity and freedom this game needs to keep the creative options actually open.
3. I defend my right to make builds that are open, accessible, fun and help people do something in the game, even if only a few are helped, and even if it isn't a commercial success.
4. I defend my right to stand up to evil fucktards, East and West.

Are we clear on this a little better now?

This seems to be going swimmingly.

Damn you Juro! Who are you to complain about his mall like that? This kind of obvious attack on the design and building skills will not stand!

If it was truly a non-event, why even mention it. The only plausible reason I can see is that you need to stir the pot once again.


Oh, but it is, dear Prokofy. You either don't know how, don't care to, or lack the spine to do so.


Please provide a quote where I commented on the build. I asked who built it, nothing more. I made NO comment on it. I made no judgement on it. Since when is an inquiry a 'comment' about your build?

I believe you're projecting your own feelings about your build and are trying to show that I am passing judgement on your build - which never happened.

You have every right to build what you want, I never said you didn't and I would support your right to do so. Everyone has that right - you should remember that the next time you're raising holy hell over someone's build.

I know you were kidding, but since it seems Prokofy is trying to make it *seem* like I did, I think further clarification is due: I did not make any comment about Prokofy's build. I asked who built it.

Juro, you're getting like a tekkie on me, demanding that everything be so LITERAL! I mean the entire engagement you bring to this thread as the "comment," dude.

Juro, you're as much as a student of the forums as the next guy. And you know full well whose builds you saw in the picture from another thread, but you weren't sure about the other build (mine). You asked about it precisely because you wondered what was "up" from past threads. Indeed, this little gallery picture was just supposed to be a little textless cartoon, with a caption/title, "An Important Board Meeting" to sum up some of the things I think about those who have such "important board meetings". Look at the ban lists on these properties if you need more helpful commentary. You couldn't have gotten all the symbolism in this painting/cartoon, but flamingos have a special inner meaning, coming as they do from my old TSO house/motel called "Flamingo Court" (flamingos are one of the things put out in TSO, which are believed good luck because they squawk at odd hours, and you can also kick them. They only have one point in room score tho. People had a lot of fun deploying them around in funny situations, i.e. in attack squadrons, etc.)

Your continuing to answer and re-answer and answer again in this thread tells me *all I need to know* about what you think of *my* little crappy build and *somebody else's mathematically perfect, etc. build.*

I know what you think on these matters, because you're an excellent architect, and building by numbers and being aesthetically beautiful and harmonious means a lot to you.

I don't have any kind of inferiority complex about my building-shortfalls and being "building-challenged". But the short yellow bus isn't coming for me yet.

I think building in SL, as it was in TSO (even more so) isn't just about making techically brilliant or aesthetically pleasing objects to show off the architectural skills or this or that uber architect or serve as a vanity pillar for this or that budding CEO ego.

I think building is also something amateurs can engage in with grace and joy because it's *theirs* and they are *manifesting something in the world*. If they can get others to believe with them that something they make is a dock on the ocean where they can sell wares like in Brighton Beach, what fun! It's a fun little immersive game.

I don't at all believe buildings have to be utilitarian, either. I don't at all subscribe to the school that says that art has to be for "the people" and "serving mankind" blah blah. Sometimes it can be just art. There's a balance to be had between art for art's sake and useful art, and I like to investigate and explore it.

These comments maybe belong in "building" but "building" threads seem to be just mainly about technical talking of shop and not aesthetic issues.

I stand by my right to investigate and comment on aesthetic matters (especially in a tiny little game) even being an "amateur" -- without having to be clobbered with charges of having "an inferiority complex".

Your assumption that I'm in some kind of "floundering" or "inferiority complex" mode is off base. Nobody would post the astoundingly personal and abrupt things I do with astounding ramifications leading to hideous flame wars if they cared about their vanity or image. Honestly, Juro, you're not getting it. Stop projecting!

You just like gossip! That's all! Hope you have had your fill!

Getting all 'tekkie' on you? Hahahah! Thanks for the good laugh.

You were and still are reading FAR too much into my question: who built them.

And yes, I was getting 'literal' with you since you were suggesting that I somehow 'commented' on your build. Call me out on the carpet like that Prok, and you damn well better have some FACTS to back it up - which, of course, you don't.

I did not know who built them Prok, that's why I asked. I wouldn't have spent the bits unless I didn't know.

Go ahead and continue to read more into my original question if it makes you feel better or shores up one of your fanciful FIC conspiracy theories or solidifies the tekkie label you so graciously applied to many here.

Oh, yes.. I did think the joke was funny, btw.

This thread has seriously derailed into personal discussion/attacks. I'd like to remind everyone that the SL Forums are not the proper space for having a personal discussion which is better suited for IM or in-world chat.

The prototype in my Windermere sandbox has more gracious proportions than that building in Alope does. Something to do with prim limits.... : )

There are surprising builds on the sandbox lot too. No stall-malls, but occasionally someone wanders in, sees the word sandbox on the description, and builds something. A few days ago a fur and a robot discovered the lot. They and another friend have built waterfalls, a bunker and an underwater room with a drum set in it.

In my opinion the interesting thing about this lot isn't the buildings.The second pic shows a very subtle landscaping solution to the problem of providing a level walkway around a rocky coastline. There are prims using one of the Atol continent textures situated half a meter below the surface of the water. As the image shows, that particular texture (the infrequently seen mossy texture) gives a greenish hue like aquatic plants in shallow water. It's very useful with the NW Coastal terrain waterfront. In that terrain set we get a dark rock for the coastline. It requires masses of vegetation to make the stark rock look welcoming, and the Atol texture helps significantly.

Panda makes me giggle

Nevermind I decided not to get involve...sorry for the edit

sandbox...sandbox...sandbox...

Do you live in the world?

Or is it just a construction site?

No need to be perjorative of "stall-malls". They aren't malls, just boardwalk stalls. People like them. They have a great feeling of being knocked together from old wood and corrugated tin and weatherbeaten boards. I found some great textures both on the Internet in one of those strokes of luck where a random jpeg fits and tiles in the game on something just by uploading it, without having to jigger it in Photoshop which is such a pain to do. There's also GNU's texture.

I wanted to have lanterns like the Lindens do on their boardwalk, but I couldn't find any. So I made do with coloured and lighted prims in an old Linden free lantern which I also decked out with more shiny aluminum, which I think improved upon their dull original design.

It is so wonderful to make things in this game. You don't have to be perfect.

As for this bogus story:



I don't know at which point the edit/create was turned on and the autoreturn turned off on this Windemere "sandbox" (it could only be that they have some other more secretive place to go now), but what's also hilarious is that this self-promoting new "public sandbox" -- which only yesterday used up the description box not to promote delightful sandboxing but to say "all bans are one person" with my alts -- is now taken *off* ban, so these alts -- and who could know if they also might contain relatives or tenants? -- are now "allowed" back in the "sandbox" (duly tested). Saw some horrid GULAG-like building with search-lights, replete with a blood-red pool in the center. Guess somebody's going to play labour camp.

Free sandboxing, even for everyone, even for Plastic Duck? Geez, I hope not. I can't imagine this will last.

Anybody free to put down a prim without permission? Ha! Yet in those months we lived on Igbo, sharing land and a group with me putting in tier, I was *not allowed to put down so much as a fucking prim*. *Not a fucking prim*. That's how controlling he is -- you just have to see it. This story of furry woodland creatures and waterfalls and promoting public creativity (when it suits him) is is merely a creative sleight of hand, smoke and mirrors to distract from the real thing, which is a controlling and belittling attitude. *Not a fucking prim*. Believe, me, I know. He knows that the truth of that story *that I could not put down a fucking prim* there or in Refugio later really belies Mr. Community Builder so he has scrambled to come up with the furry woodland creatures and the props. He thinks if he can contrast furry woodland creatues and creative sandboxing in the face of someone tellling a pointed story about a "stall mall" that he will "look good to the community". But there is always someone who knows better -- me. And there is always someone who doesn't care about looking "good to the community" but cares more about telling the truth -- me.

Do you know what it is like to be new in SL, fooling around, perhaps putting lamp or some flowers out in your house you have together, perhaps a rug, perhaps you've learned to make a fluted column and you put that out...but it all mercilessly autoreturns because someone will not put you on build perms even though you and your alts are helping to keep a group viable and holding land, and you are putting in tier? Can you *imagine* such a thing? And hiding behind confusion about how groups or settings work to boot? Honestly...

Just think about that as you contemplate how some people build gorgeous "skyscrapers rising up out of the pristine wilderness" that actually are vanity towers for griefers, while somebody else builds "stall malls".