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Ulrika's Prize Petition!

Ulrika Zugzwang
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07-31-2004 04:07
From: someone
2) It's dumb of LL to worry about favoritism. People are hardwired to have preferences and tastes. It's only natural, and I am a firm believer that we should do what's natural. I think LL should be like the ancient gods who fought their own battles, had their own agenda, and needed to be appeased now and then, instead of this overly sanitized, christian idea of a god that is perfect, all-loving and impartial.


I agree! In all populations there will be a normal distribution of productive output (a few people contribute nothing, most contribute an average amount, and a few people contribute much). Total contributions follow an exponential curve, where individuals in the top 10th percentile of the normal distribution create 90% of the content. The top content creators in SL are easy to identify, having quickly achieved notoriety in SL (Eggy Lippmann comes to mind).

The problem with a constant rewards system without favoritism (described accurately as impartial and avoiding favoritism by Eggy) is that it tends to demotivate high performers. Without a sliding rewards scale, high performers will tend to reduce output, driving the mean and the standard deviation of the normal distribution down. This is why workplaces give higher raises to the top 10% of the highest-performing workers (imagine what would happen to aggregate productivity if the incentive for high performance were removed). Thus SL management should provide special rewards and incentives to individuals with high output.

In summary, SL management should show favoritism by applying the same model to their SL populace as their employees and make sure that high-performing contributors are well cared for and don't "vote with their feet" when an SL competitor comes on line.

~Ulrika~
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07-31-2004 17:07
From: someone
Originally posted by Ulrika Zugzwang


In summary, SL management should show favoritism ....


imho - BS.

We are not hired hands here in SL to produce, we are paying customers. My money is as green as yours or the next guy or the guy after him. I am sure most regard their work in SL as high as you have been touting yours here.

It's becoming ridiculous that the discussion of changing contest prizes after the fact is supported by arguments that the winner is so good they deserve it.

What is being dismissed by these arguments is the rest of the SL community, how changing contest rules after the fact effects all of us, and future contests. Believe it or not, this is more than " I am so good I deserve it, giveme giveme, screw the guy who lost because he isn't as good and certainly not as deserving as me".

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Ulrika Zugzwang
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07-31-2004 21:36
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It's becoming ridiculous that the discussion of changing contest prizes after the fact is supported by arguments that the winner is so good they deserve it.

Well, before this turns into a raging "we hate Ulrika" fest, let me just say that I'm nothing special. Anyone could have done the animations that I did. I just learned Poser a few weeks ago. Have you seen my "exorcist" or my "heads up" animations? They're just plain rotten. The only good ones I have were done by stepping through DVDs translating moves. Any trained monkey could do that. I just managed to pile my mediocrity the highest. Really.

As a matter of fact, in the competition, I really thought that I was the weakest link in the chain. Everyone I worked with was a well-established SLer. It was a thrill to run with the big dogs! I guess my desire to renegotiate the prize is really just because I feel that I don't deserve the whole thing. Everyone I worked with does. Further, I'd love to keep working with all of them. They're just great!

So give me a break. I'm just an SL adolescent trying to find her niche. I haven't decided if it's project management, animations, or ultraintrospective forum posts.


From: someone
We are not hired hands here in SL to produce, we are paying customers.

I know that, silly! It's what we in the business like to call an analogy. We aren't hired by them, yet we create content as if we were. As you can see by the increasing value of prizes for any compitition, the higher placements get higher prizes. More importantly though, my post was simply a statement, that productivity is an exponential distribution superimposed over a normal distribution. It's just science. All general populations demonstrate it. Whether it's wealth, intelligence, height. It's just the way nature is. I like to talk about stuff like that.


When it comes down to it, I want people to like and trust me. I want to fight for a prize so that those who really helped me out can have their share. I know my place in the team and I'll be damned if I'm going to take what rightfully belongs to everyone. Sling mud if you want but if being disliked is the price for the unselfish support of those you respect, then bring it on. (Picture Ulrika draped in a French flag surround by a spinning text halo saying "Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite".)

So give me some sugar will you baby?

~Ulrika~
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Eggy Lippmann
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08-01-2004 02:58
fen - some people here are paying $800 a month for a 4-sim private island, not to mention the $4000 setup fees. Don't you think they ought to be treated with a tiny bit more of respect than your average noobie? :)
That said, LL includes "favoritism" in its anti-griefing policies. Trials get the boot immediately, basic $10 accounts receive atiny bit more leniency, premium accounts get a lot more... and well, aside from Candie Apple's alts, there is no record of a beta lifer getting his or her account canceled.

Ulri - *smooch* :)
Misnomer Jones
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08-01-2004 08:56
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Trials get the boot immediately, basic $10 accounts receive atiny bit more leniency, premium accounts get a lot more


Eggy.. wow I expect more from you. Why on earth would a brand new person who doesnt know the rules get cut a break when, under your suggestion, a lifer who knows better would get cut slack? I think the opposite should be true.

As far as money buying favors, I disagree there too. Everyone is a paying customer and deserves the same ear when they experience in game issues.

From: someone
there is no record of a beta lifer getting his or her account canceled.


Do you know this for a fact? I bet not. LL is tight lipped about this sort of thing. This is mere speculation.
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Lash Xevious
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08-01-2004 15:36
Egad. It feels like I've walked into a lynching mob. :rolleyes:

Ulrika, I know you had good intentions when you wanted to petition the prize. And considering the people who helped contribute to this project, being a newbie myself, I also felt overwhelmed and wondered how the heck you were going to live up to this. ;)

The way I see it, you took a shot. And hell, I would've too, when in the back of my mind I knew it was a collaborative effort. I wonder if anyone here, had they be in your position, would'nt have at least paused before grabbing the prize for themselves.

To truly relate to Ulrika's dilemma, you had to be there. It's not about her thinking she's so f*cking awesome. It's about putting the rest of us on a pedestal and saying we're so f*cking awesome. :p

Anyways, Ulrika hun, the $5 dollar words don't intimidate me, though they're probably turning off a handful here. LOL I know behind that wordy exterior you're a loony fart.

Again, I think you did a great job on your animations. Please don't sell yourself short just because you've been chastised here. And if you ever want to take on a group project in the snow sims, I'm there.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-01-2004 17:33
Yes. I guess the $5 words are complicating things immensely. I've never had such a negative reaction before. I guess SL is a lot different than some of the forums I frequent in RL. Oh well. It's who I am though -- that and a loony fart. :D

I think I'll be keeping my head in my turtle shell for a few weeks until things die down.

~Ulrika~
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Talen Morgan
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08-01-2004 17:42
From: someone
Originally posted by Ulrika Zugzwang

I think I'll be keeping my head in my turtle shell for a few weeks until things die down.

~Ulrika~


How dare you violate a turtle in such a manner. I should call PETA ( People for the Eating of Tasty Animals ) A BBQ is in order:D
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-01-2004 22:18
Oh hell yeah.

This thread has the most replies of any thread in the animation section. It's only 100 views away from breaking that record as well!

Fame. Infamy. It's all the same. :)

~Ulrika~
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feniks Stone
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08-02-2004 10:09
ok maybe we can those 100+ views and break the record.

First - Eggy NO! definitely not. Mis is right, we are all paying customers. We should not be treated differently according to our payment tiers.

Ulrika, no the $5 dollars words were not the problem, but the message you seemed to be sending was what I took issue with. Some of your scientific theories have holes, ah but that is another thread and I do not want to lynch anyone.

As for changing prizes after a contest is over, well that is along the same lines as Eggy saying those who spend more deserve more respect. No No No. Did I say no?

So... I was not out to lynch anyone, I apologize. If you saw a noose in my hand, it was a mere shadow, a misinterpretation of 2$ words.

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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-02-2004 11:19
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Some of your scientific theories have holes, ah but that is another thread and I do not want to lynch anyone.

[$5 Word Mode]
I didn't actually present any theories, they were observations. This is a distinction that a lot of people often overlook.

For instance, evolution, the change in an organism's phenology and morphology over time, is an observation. The concept of natural selection is a theory developed through the scientific method to explain that observation.

Thus when I spoke of normal distributions having an overlying exponential function I was stating a common observation and extrapolating to make a point. Income distribution both in RL and SL is a perfect example of how there is a normal distribution of people at a given income bracket but weath increases exponentially (more accurately it's the Lorentz curve) as one moves to higher income brackets.
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There's a difference between being unkind (lynching) and discussing differences in the application of observations. I'd be delighted to hash over some controversial science, if you'd like, and by "hash over" I mean handing you your ass on a plate. :)

~Ulrika~
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Loki Pico
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08-02-2004 11:55
I was sort of curious who would get the last word on this thread, now I dont guess it really matters. Ulrika started it, let her end it!
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-02-2004 12:00
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I was sort of curious who would get the last word on this thread, now I dont guess it really matters. Ulrika started it, let her end it!

I'm disappointed Loki. After crafting a well thought out reply to your post which described my renegotiation as "tacky", I assumed you'd at least feign tackling a moral argument on the subject with me. *sigh*

I'm never gonna break the record views in the animation section, if people keep rolling over on me.

~Ulrika~
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-02-2004 13:58
Wha?!

The total number of views jumped from 500 to 1300 in about an hour! That's just not possible.

What happened?

~Ulrika~
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Damien Fate
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08-02-2004 14:23
You're watching this thread too much @_@
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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08-02-2004 14:24
Am not! (Posted 30 seconds after Damien.) :D

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