Second Life Forums Archive - Breaking the chain Parent/Child joints

Shjak Monde

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Join date: 10 Feb 2004

Posts: 111

07-04-2005 06:08

I have read in the Poser 5 Manual about the Chain Break Tool.
Sadly, the manual only gives you a couple of very short paragraphs.
And does not go into much detail.

I have experimented with the Tool and it seems to only effect the Child joints in conjunction to the Parent. ( meaning I can then rotate and move the child joint without moveing the Parent.)
But has no effect on the child when moveing the Parent. ( meaning if I move the Parent, the child does follow.

My question is: Can I slightly rotate the chest, without moveing the Collars, shoulders, forams, Hands and Neck?

Any Help is appreceated.

Shjak Monde

Cristiano Midnight

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Join date: 17 May 2003

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07-04-2005 18:09

While this is not a definitive answer, I would guess that anything you do to the poser figure in terms of breaking the parent/child relationship won't carry over to SL anyway. The importer simply imports rotation data and frame info. The shoulders and arms rotate when the chest rotates - there is no way that I know of to prevent that in SL.

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Shjak Monde

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Join date: 10 Feb 2004

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07-06-2005 02:11

well I have seen animations such as Meatball... one would think you could twist the body in most any way.
Also I have seen Tink Buttercups animations where the hips swivel while not moveing the legs or upper body.

Basicly this is what I am trying to do.
I want to create bouncing breasts in SL.... though I have been told many times this can not be done... I have a problem excepting that answer.

I have created a walk in the Walk desginer... reduced it from 120 frames, cycling 4 times, starting at Frame 1 to a 31 frames cycling 1 time. starting at frame 2
The extra frame is for that first frame that SL uses

Then I find the bottom of each step.... usually frame 3 and frame 18.
then I twist and bend the chest in a series of frames surrounding the bottom frames. to create the motion of the bounce,
However i have to go back and correct the shoulders and neck trying to get them as close to where they were before rotateing and bending the chest.
to create the illusion that the walk never broke stride in anyway other then the chests movements.
However I have no ruler to get exact measurements. Or a formula that can be applied to get the head, neck collars, shoulders back into their original position before the change.

Right now I am having to do it by eye ( we know how easily the eye is fooled ) and of course the animation winds up jerky.
I mean I have them bouncing now in SL but its only a close proximity.
is there a way to get body parts World Coordinates instead of their realitivity to the Parent joint?

Any Help is appreaceated.
Shjak Monde

PS: I am always trying the impossible...HELP!!
*({-_-})*

Ben Stravinsky

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Join date: 7 Nov 2004

Posts: 149

Hi

07-06-2005 06:29

Christiano is right ^^

Strife Onizuka

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Join date: 3 Mar 2004

Posts: 5,887

07-06-2005 15:24

The amount of work required to do bouncing breasts would be amazing. It goes way beyond making an animation. Its as complicated as growing a third arm.

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Strife Onizuka

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07-15-2005 16:48

See this thread for more information and download.

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Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river.
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Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence.
- James Nachtwey

Breaking the chain Parent/Child joints
Shjak Monde Registered User Join date: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 111	07-04-2005 06:08 I have read in the Poser 5 Manual about the Chain Break Tool. Sadly, the manual only gives you a couple of very short paragraphs. And does not go into much detail. I have experimented with the Tool and it seems to only effect the Child joints in conjunction to the Parent. ( meaning I can then rotate and move the child joint without moveing the Parent.) But has no effect on the child when moveing the Parent. ( meaning if I move the Parent, the child does follow. My question is: Can I slightly rotate the chest, without moveing the Collars, shoulders, forams, Hands and Neck? Any Help is appreceated. Shjak Monde
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	07-04-2005 18:09 While this is not a definitive answer, I would guess that anything you do to the poser figure in terms of breaking the parent/child relationship won't carry over to SL anyway. The importer simply imports rotation data and frame info. The shoulders and arms rotate when the chest rotates - there is no way that I know of to prevent that in SL. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Shjak Monde Registered User Join date: 10 Feb 2004 Posts: 111	07-06-2005 02:11 well I have seen animations such as Meatball... one would think you could twist the body in most any way. Also I have seen Tink Buttercups animations where the hips swivel while not moveing the legs or upper body. Basicly this is what I am trying to do. I want to create bouncing breasts in SL.... though I have been told many times this can not be done... I have a problem excepting that answer. I have created a walk in the Walk desginer... reduced it from 120 frames, cycling 4 times, starting at Frame 1 to a 31 frames cycling 1 time. starting at frame 2 The extra frame is for that first frame that SL uses Then I find the bottom of each step.... usually frame 3 and frame 18. then I twist and bend the chest in a series of frames surrounding the bottom frames. to create the motion of the bounce, However i have to go back and correct the shoulders and neck trying to get them as close to where they were before rotateing and bending the chest. to create the illusion that the walk never broke stride in anyway other then the chests movements. However I have no ruler to get exact measurements. Or a formula that can be applied to get the head, neck collars, shoulders back into their original position before the change. Right now I am having to do it by eye ( we know how easily the eye is fooled ) and of course the animation winds up jerky. I mean I have them bouncing now in SL but its only a close proximity. is there a way to get body parts World Coordinates instead of their realitivity to the Parent joint? Any Help is appreaceated. Shjak Monde PS: I am always trying the impossible...HELP!! ({-_-})
Ben Stravinsky Second Life Resident Join date: 7 Nov 2004 Posts: 149	Hi 07-06-2005 06:29 Christiano is right ^^
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	07-06-2005 15:24 The amount of work required to do bouncing breasts would be amazing. It goes way beyond making an animation. Its as complicated as growing a third arm. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey
Strife Onizuka Moonchild Join date: 3 Mar 2004 Posts: 5,887	07-15-2005 16:48 See this thread for more information and download. _____________________ Truth is a river that is always splitting up into arms that reunite. Islanded between the arms, the inhabitants argue for a lifetime as to which is the main river. - Cyril Connolly Without the political will to find common ground, the continual friction of tactic and counter tactic, only creates suspicion and hatred and vengeance, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. - James Nachtwey

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