Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

It is. If you don't want to - you don't have to.

Correct. Rare. And no landslide in sight at horizon, in SL.

We don't have common law in SL, we have what the Linden of the day responding to ARs feels like. This has often lead to some extremely bad and inconsistent decisions. This is why it is extremely important that (unless LL is intending to dramatically change the way it deals with ARs and appeals) there is a clear policy.




What - leaving large gaping holes in the mainland? What about the other residents in those sims who don't need to move.

In the vast majority of cases, the sim from which people are moved will have to stay because of other residents or because of its location in the continent concerned.



I think we agree here - that moving people should only take place if LL deliver on their stated commitment that "merchants and other landowners will not be disadvantaged" - this means swapping land for land equivalent in terms of appearance, surroundings, quality, performance and value, as well as assisting with the move of complex builds.

However, LL seem reluctant to invest the time and effort needed to do this. What others have suggested are alternative means for the Lindens to achieve similar goals which does not involve the mandatory movement of existing residents.




But some PIOFs and PIU are also likely to be underaged. The grid is an 18+ environment. Anyone under 18 on the grid, is already (knowingly) there fraudulently. If they have entered the grid fraudulently for the purpose of accessing adult content, they will enter the adult areas fraudulently.



The solution suggested by many is that LL needs to be much more active in policing search (he amount of clearly mature material showing in a non-mature search illustrated how poorly this is policed at present). If LL do not have the resources to do this with PG and Mature tags in search, it seems unlikely that they will have the resources to do this with PG, Mature and Adult tags.






Doing anything just for the sake of being seen to do something is not a good policy either.

Matthew

You have every right to be heard in the forums, you own land and count just as much as anyone here irrespective of size of land owned or how long you have been here. So if anyone tells you otherwise tell them go away in short jerky movements

What pompous arses some people can get in these forums at times, I am sorry that you were told this because we are not all like it even if we disagree with each other on some things when we post. You are as important as anyone else

Wich I find very ok and a respectable good view and an individual handling as your own way to manage these things.

Alexander, I can show my id at a bar if I'm carded, which rarely happens. But there's a huge difference between showing an id at a bar, and posting it to a place that sells it. For one thing the bartender or bouncer usually just gives it a glance and moves on, on the internet the information is stored and very often sold.

And for those living in the EU, there's several countries that simply make it illegal to give the passport or other id numbers to anyone outside the country in order to better regulate the privacy of their citizens. It's rather ironic, for a country founded on the ideas of freedom, privacy, and liberty, the USA has almost none of these anymore.

Meanwhile I watch a bit videos made at the Folsom Street Parade and such other happenings in good old San Francisco - where the headquarter of LL is sitting...

That raaawwwwks. Woot Woot. Wooooohooooo.

Thinking while that, how interesting the reactions would be, if LL would try to clean up San Francisco and to move these people over to Alkatraz, or whatever island or continent.

I have a feeling that the citizens of SF would grabbing some Linden and throwing them down from the Golden Gate Bridge, if they were told by them to: "move".

Oh and by the way: this is an open air event - this Folsom Street Parade and as ever a money making thing too.

How much bigot can one be?

That phrase, Not limited to actually means it can be applied under the similar laws of other countries. before you troll others, know YOUR facts.

I can guarantee they do. so stopp trolling

Is there no possibility to filter on MATURE or PG land

Because personally I think they are acting like children.

Did America also ban mirrors in the bathroom ? they should.. it shows naked people..

I think most of SL is adult content, but I could be wrong..

So most people will enjoy the Adult content, so why put in a SL wide change on that..

just give the crying people no access to the Mature lands..

Problem solved.

I mean this quite a fast un thought solution, but I don't like to be limited, because of some people are scared of nipples..

Please let them grown up..

Ohw, but what about our children? Your children are old enough to send to war, they are old enough to make love..

Yes, I'm dutch...

I cant speak for the resident you were addressing, but losing MY land for my store will NEVER be made up for with some half-@$$ P.O.S. parcel on some ghetto LL makes for the sole purpose of sterilizing the mainland. Make a pg only continent if you feel the need for anything. I WILL NOT move my store. EVER. No matter how many threats you and the rest of the idiots behind this decision make. Even if you disable my account (which im already involved in legal action to prevent).

Why? becuase3 of the memories, because of the creativity, because of the feel of my land and my neighbors all of whom feel the same.

As a cop, I can tell you they wont think twice unless the parent is already active in their kids' lives. your arguments are pretty much all the same as those parents that give us the most trouble because they refuse to take any responsibility for their kids. It isn't a porn shop's, a cop's, a teacher's, or anyone else's responsibility to shelter a kid. It's the parents. And that is why none of this will do anything but drive off LL's paying customers and cause LL to collapse in upon itself.

Good lord, what a tour de force. I'm not going to even try to answer all your points, except to say that trying to impose RL morality and RL solutions on a virtual world that has different physical laws (e.g., teleporting and free camera movement through barriers) is a fool's game. But I will address a couple of specifics.

you can guarantee nothing, and why you bought this up days later is beyond me, for your information, disagreeing with someone is not trolling, but im sure this advice wont stop you.
i told you the laws are moot in my country, The usa does not rule the world, remember that.
now back off.

Very simply, the underaged are the responsibility of their parents and no one else.

When will the text Transcripts of the last two bownbags be published?
im sure they will help solve alot of questions and move the convo along and raise other important questions that need to be discusted.

The end does not necessarily justify the means.

Are you in favour of shutting down the internet?

If not, then you are opposing an activity which would clearly result in fewer underage individuals having access to adult material, so you clearly aren't in favour of reducing the access of minors to adult material.

Matthew

The ability to choose the level of adult content one wishes to access will be incorporated into the 1.23 viewer, according to Blondin in his first post in this thread.

Which begs the question, why are residents also required to be verified to access Adult content?

Adult content won't be restricted to Ursula (private residences are exempt) and mature content will still be open to any resident. Why not either verify everyone, or no one?

Always an enjoyment

/me looks around, trying to spot the track.

The point isn't to get this thread as long as possible or to get everybody to agree with everybody else...

No the poiint is to get everybod to agree with me so get in line and fly my flag u slacker!!!!

The point is to wait on the jailer with his 8 daily breadcrumbs answers for the hostages of the new plan and to waste some time chatting meanwhile. Or to hold some monologes. Anyway.

Thank you Wynochee LeShelle for your philosophical interpretations of all this, it's always refreshing in all this resident to resident squabbling over definitions that LL has yet to define clearly.

Blondin I don't envy your job, it's like a complaint desk/support desk/customer service without any procedural guidelines. It is nice to see less dodging of well thought out questions and less PR manipulation of the thread.

One specific question Blondin: I has been stated by Jack I believe that Ursula is futuristic with a monorail, I do not like that, is part of Ursula being setup medieval style or will my Gothic style shops have to fit into chrome, glass, steel and concrete?


As I have stated before I am against this, as I was against the whole AV thing almost 2 years ago. And now on top of it LL wants to segregate Adult content too. They couldn't get residents to agree to the AV thing then and now if they make the whole proposal horrible enough they will probably get everyone to acquiesce to the AV part which they couldn't do then.


Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, law student or legal aid. I am just someone with an opinion (right or wrong)

The way I see it the ToS is a binding contract between a consumer purchasing a right to use a service.

With the initial investment in Land whether it be a private sim or mainland that changes the ToS into a Business Investment/Rental contract, with a completely different set of laws and rules.

What LL is doing is changing the contract without both parties agreeing to the changes, this exact thing was tried by a company that changed the rules for access and many businesses that invested up front costs with that company found that a portion of their customer base could not reach them. They won their day in court, though I cannot cite the exact case/docket #. (Anyone who has the wherewithal to find this interesting case please IM me info as I'd love to read up on it again, it was about 1-2 years ago).

I do know that a change in ToS for a consumer service must be posted in a visible part of accessing the service, cases have set precedence that just having a link on a blog or website to the ToS is not enough to confirm a persons acceptance to it, regardless of the "we can change anything we want at any time" clause. It will have to be posted within the viewer logon itself. That is when the rest of the residents will get their first look at these changes.

Take it for what it worth: the ramblings of a Domme who likes to tinker and build things...half of which I will no longer be able to sell to anyone 18+, only to those who give LL personal information.

No. Such stores are fine where they are.