SL is a scam.

Wow. That was weird. I was reading it like a fresh thread and feeling sympathetic, when suddenly I came across a rather unsympathetic post by me and realised somebody had necroposted.

Do you regret it now?

so you want my limit reduced to 100Gbps, eh? thanks. I guess we can just to you as Tegg "Comcast" Bode from now own.

I do! What a complete shit I am sometimes.

Seriously, I still think some points are silly (the commercial expectations in particular), but I do sympathise with the frustration about ad farms and the general state of the mainland.

In a fast moving world like this, it's so easy to have all your hopes and expectations dashed, and feel like everybody else is overtaking you while you still haven't managed to realise your first dreams. It's so much easier to give-up and become cynical about everything than it is to participate.

I can feel a change of attitude coming on, and all thanks to the person who necroposted. Either that or I'm getting soppy in my old age.

Cool, I can't wait!

Meanwhile, SL rocks and I'll keep participating.

Seriously, claims like this are easy to make. You can have lots of fun in SL for free, or you can do great with just premium tier. Other threads have shown that if you pay annually, you get nearly all your $US back in $L.

SL is a lot like a mirror. What you see in it has a more to do with who you choose to be, than what it is.

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Some people have unlimited.

Linden Lab NEEDS a way to get profit.. They dont get money out of the huge number of free accounts -- and why would someone pay for a premium account if they get the benifits for free anyways?.

Nothing in life is free.. They arent going to permit server space for any cheaper -- and why should they? A server costs them money, so does the electric bill.. There is nothing scam about it.

Prices might have to start going up. There is so much 3rd party companies supporting LLABS can get. Memeberships for yearly users mught be the first step.

As for elecric bills makes you wonder if the effort or camper playing 24 hours a day running 5 or more avies can afford it. It just doesnt add up.

Wow you can get a domestic internet that fast for free? cool I pay heaps to get only 20Mbps

For free huh, maybe you think it's unlimited then.

It would be so much easier if they just started the thread and said "Goodbye". Then we could all just chime in, one at a time and say "Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out".

Well I know I pay for the charge every month. I pay for a fiber optical connect that only me. I have unlimited usaage. How hard is it for you to believe this. I don`t know where inthe world your from. I do unlimited i pay good money for it...........

20Mbps would be the speed.
100Gbps would be the available monthly bandwidth. (<-- the part to which unlimited/limited adjectives apply.)

I pay £18 a month for 24Mbps. (http://bethere.co.uk)
Unlimited, but I suspect the FUP would kick in if I started grabbing 100Gbps a month.

Umm 100 Gigabytes Per Second is a dam lot of storage capacity over a month but if you can only download at 20 Mbps how do you use it all?
I suspect you mean 100Gb not 100Gbps

Um.. almost all network services require a monthly subscription. They have to, because running the service is a continuous cost to the service provider, which they have to pass on. You are right that SL's are quite high, but you are essentially renting part of a server which has a lot of extra features. But all the same, LL isn't forcing you to pass the charge on to other people. I don't know how you can claim that LL is wilfully creating a pyramid scheme. You wouldn't say that you bought a mobile phone so your friends could call you, but it has a monthly fee, so now you have to charge your friends money?



You're right that Ad Farms are a problem, but LL aren't wilfully avoiding the problem. The difficulty they have is that if they start to regulate what people can and can't build on their own land, then they enter into the nightmare of having to deal with resident disputes, and of having to limit people's creativity. Can even an attractive structure be torn down if 5 or so neighbours all complain about it? Does LL have to do detective work to analyse their motivations in doing so? Will a newbie be scared to build their first plywood structure because their neighbour might have it removed for looking ugly?



Um... so you want to be free, but not for people to be free to make ad farms.. make up your mind



You can build there, but then you have no reliable hosting and no publicity, so no-one will visit. And you'll have to build and draw everything yourself, from scratch, because you won't have any content contributed by others except for the basic things which come with the packages. If these two things really don't bother you then by all means go ahead, but the mainland of SL is really intended for creating publicly-accessible and collaborative virtual spaces. If you want to create your own isolated one, you probably need to buy your own island; and yes, that's expensive, but how much will it cost to have a hosting company run Multiverse 24-hours for you?



There are organisations on SL devoted to raising and providing funding to support valuable free services. In the worst case, if you have traffic, you can run adverts.

I know! Let's write a virus to give us all the bandwith we'd ever want! We just distribute it around the world....get some ever-changing encryption....p2p technology and....I know, we can call it Stormbot!

AW http://activeworlds.com allows unlimited land usage, and unlimited over all object usage for $6 USD a month. ((There is a limit of 110 objects per 10x10 space)).
The kicker, is anything you build is permanent, regardless if your a paying member after it was built. (AW has a land claiming system, you build in a space, you"own" it, and no one else can build there)

I'm not advertising for AW, but SL can do things a bit differently. ((AW also is LARGER, and has been around since 1995))

And it looks like it is still in 1995 too, but then again SL is stuck in 2003

At least it's not September 1993 still.

Woah with the abstraction!

1) The 20Mbps connection you pay for refers to the *speed*.
2) When SuezanneC mentioned 100Gbps (she was joking by the way), she was talking *bandwidth limits*.
3) I was merely quoting the figure. The *joke* figure.

As far as I'm aware, nobody mentioned having a 20Mbps connection with 100Gbps bandwidth limit, which seems to be where you're at now.

Silly things, these "Websites" and Forums.

I have been an Admin and Moderator at a couple of them, and threads like this really make me wonder if the originator feels as if he or she was *forced* into registering for the "offending" site.

We all get a tad bit disgruntled when things don't go our way, but I fall back on this reminder I give folks at the sites I work: The door swings both ways - in and out! How you choose to operate that door is entirely up to you.

You know. That sounds suspiciously like Life. Wait. This is SECOND Life not Free life m'dear. You can live, work, get married, have babies, read, write, create, socialize.. etc. Just like you can in your First Life. Unless you've found a way to have a home, clothes and cool gadgets in your First Life for free, it's highly unreasonable to think you can in your Second.

Imagine all the the server equipment you can buy with those big Down payments and Tier fees.

It is a scam.

Price of a SIM is totally ridiculous. They laugh all the way to the bank. people get robbed of large sums of money and they do nothing.

They can even print their own currency.

Nice work if you can get it.

You're paying for more than the equipment. WAY more.

If all you wanted was the equipment, you can just go buy your own.

Oh, right, LL is totally not trying to run a profit-making business.

And you can't be robbed if you see the price and willingly pay it.