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When did age play become illegal?

Kavan McMahon
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05-10-2007 14:01
Ok, there has been a lot of bad press about the recent German investigation into second life. I agree that pedophillia is wrong and should be stopped and reported. It is very wrong to abuse children who can not do anything about it. But why persecute age players?

Age play is not illegal, as long as it is adults do it, which is what the name implies. There are lots of men who go to be mothered in the real world. they pay to be diapered, and fed warm milk from a bottle. Some even dress as little girls, (sissification). They are concenting adults. It is not illegal.

Then there are school roleplay groups, were grown men and women, (yes women as well), dress as kids to roleplay school classes, trying to get into trouble and getting caned or tawsed for it. they pay money for it. It is not illegal.

Age play, may not be the normal vanilla fantasy that the main stream like, but neither is Scat play, which is on SL, beastiality which is on SL, being a vampire and drinking blood, which is on SL. So why persecute age players.

Three groups have closed in the last two days, that I know of. I reitterate my earlier point, that pedophillia is wrong and should be stopped, but ageplay is a different subjct. It is isn't pedophillia, and isn't illegal.

Should I tell the organisers of our 20th anniversary school meet that it is wrong and we shouldn't do it? The group has been going 20 years, and is still going strong. If it was illegal the authourities would have closed it long ago.

Stop the age play persecution, but stop the pedophillia.
Suzy Hazlehurst
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05-11-2007 02:15
I'm not an ageplayer, but I agree with you 100%. Nobody should ever be prosecuted for sharing and enacting a fantasy between consenting adults. Whether or not those fantasies are 'icky' to me (and some forms of ageplay are) is completely irrelevant. Freedom of thought should not only exist for thoughts I happen to like, it should exist for thoughts I like and thoughts I dislike.
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05-11-2007 03:23
It began since German TV started to get crazy with it, and it began since silly Accounts tried to serve child-porn.

Well I have a beautiful avatar, and lot of fun with it, dancing, chilling, adult sexing. Now building my own apartment etc. I am over 30 years old and female in RL as in SL.



But if an adult-check is required, I will leave SL and I know already many adults who will simply do the same.

It is not a question of porn, it is a question of freedom. The Internet is full of disgusting porn in every corner. Every child who has got a computer can call these sites without any check. So wot? Adult check with SL is going to save the world from this ?!? ...lol… !!!!!!

So long, over and out.
Vryl Valkyrie
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05-11-2007 03:31
Greetings Kavan,

Certain types of Age Play is illegal in SL. That is what counts. Furthermore, your excuse of legal does not make it right. There are many things legal in the world which are simply wrong. Let us not get drawn into some deep cultural philosophical discussion about what is accepted in certain types of culture, etc in the world.

SL for the most part represents the Western Civilization culture and that includes most of Europe, Australia and other parts of the world.

Please do not compare ageplay to Vampirism because there is a huge difference. For some of us, Vampirism is not Role Play. It has nothing to do with Hollywood. If you want to know more, PM me ingame.

Personally I find sexual age play utterly disgusting. I have no tolerance for it whatsoever. It encourages pedophillia in what we all refer to as "real" life. I think people who need this kind of emotional or physical satisfaction need counseling because it is not natural to desire children.

Cross dressing is not the same as ageplay so please do not make comparisons there either.

BDSM also is not the same.

No, not everything that consenting adults do is ok.


Stamp out age play.


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Kevin Susenko
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05-11-2007 06:02
From: Vryl Valkyrie
Greetings Kavan,

Certain types of Age Play is illegal in SL. That is what counts. Furthermore, your excuse of legal does not make it right. There are many things legal in the world which are simply wrong. Let us not get drawn into some deep cultural philosophical discussion about what is accepted in certain types of culture, etc in the world.

SL for the most part represents the Western Civilization culture and that includes most of Europe, Australia and other parts of the world.

Please do not compare ageplay to Vampirism because there is a huge difference. For some of us, Vampirism is not Role Play. It has nothing to do with Hollywood. If you want to know more, PM me ingame.

Personally I find sexual age play utterly disgusting. I have no tolerance for it whatsoever. It encourages pedophillia in what we all refer to as "real" life. I think people who need this kind of emotional or physical satisfaction need counseling because it is not natural to desire children.

Cross dressing is not the same as ageplay so please do not make comparisons there either.

BDSM also is not the same.

No, not everything that consenting adults do is ok.


Stamp out age play.


Vryl Valkyrie


From: Wikipedia
Ageplay is a form of regressive roleplay in which a physical adult takes on the role of a child. This may be purely regressive (in order to re-experience childhood in a non-sexual sense), or sexual (the roleplaying of a child/adult relationship in sex, which may be a sexual fetish and is often grouped within BDSM).

Roleplaying adult/child scenarios sexually is controversial as it can arouse concern in many people's minds, due to the sensitive nature of its subject matter. However as with other sexual fantasy it is not, by itself, necessarily a problem, and can be for some, a healthy or healing outlet, and for others like any fantasy an exploration of different roles and feelings.

Sexual Ageplay is a type of sexual roleplay which, because of its dominance and submission aspects, is considered a form of BDSM. It may be referred to as edgeplay because of its level of social acceptability; such roleplay may involve (fictional) incest, and a common reaction is to associate child roleplaying in a sexual situation with pedophilia. Most sexual ageplayers resent any association with pedophilia, and claim that neither party is encouraged to believe there is a real child involved, and that it involves two consenting adults with one expressing the assumed emotional vulnerability of a child.


Wikipedia begs to differ.
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Vryl Valkyrie
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05-11-2007 08:28
Is this suppose to impress me?


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05-11-2007 08:31
From: Vryl Valkyrie
Is this suppose to impress me?


Vryl Valkyrie


No not really. Just providing a counterpoint to your point.
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Mickey McLuhan
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05-11-2007 08:38
Do we need ANOTHER ageplay thread? Really?

I find it HILARIOUS that someone titled "Queen of the Vampires" makes the statement "No, not everything that consenting adults do is ok."

"I find sexual age play utterly disgusting. I have no tolerance for it whatsoever."
Pseudo-Vampirism is considered disgusting and sick and immoral in many, if not most of the places mentioned, and yet "not everything that consenting adults do is ok.

THEN, we get the oft-cried "It encourages pedophillia in what we all refer to as "real" life.", with, as usual, no documentation, nothing to back up the statement at all.
Does Playacting Vampirism on SL encourage actual bloodletting in "R"L?

Couldn't this be done on the other thread?
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Sable Till
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05-11-2007 08:41
From: Vryl Valkyrie
Please do not compare ageplay to Vampirism because there is a huge difference. For some of us, Vampirism is not Role Play. ...

Personally I find sexual age play utterly disgusting. I have no tolerance for it whatsoever. It encourages pedophillia in what we all refer to as "real" life.


Personally I find vampire play utterly disgusting. I have no tolerance for it whatsoever. it encourages murder in what we all refer to as "real life".
Elanthius Flagstaff
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05-11-2007 08:44
From: Vryl Valkyrie

Please do not compare ageplay to Vampirism because there is a huge difference. For some of us, Vampirism is not Role Play. It has nothing to do with Hollywood.

Personally I find sexual age play utterly disgusting. I have no tolerance for it whatsoever. It encourages pedophillia in what we all refer to as "real" life.



Personally I find vampire play utterly disgusting. I have no tolerance for it whatsoever. It encourages murder in what we all refer to as "real" life.
Adz Childs
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05-11-2007 08:45
From: Vryl Valkyrie
It encourages pedophillia in what we all refer to as "real" life.

I beg to differ. What is your evidence for this assertion?
Would you also assert that adults role-playing shooting someone with a virtual gun encourages adults shooting actual people with a real gun?

From: Vryl Valkyrie
I think people who need this kind of emotional or physical satisfaction need counseling because it is not natural to desire children.

What makes you think they are not in counseling?
And why would these two activities be mutually exclusive -- What makes you think their counselors do not approve of their role playing?

Please question your assumptions.
Vryl Valkyrie
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05-11-2007 08:53
You're all entitled to your sick opinions of age-play.. I stand by mine.


Vryl Valkyrie


PS For the record.. "Queen of Vampires" is a song I wrote... not that I need to explain. You have no idea what Vampirism is and it can not be compared to adults pretending to be children and engaging in sex as children. I find it appalling.
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Learjeff Innis
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05-11-2007 09:11
You're entitled to your sick opinion too, which I find morally repugnant. Just because you find something disgusting does not mean it should be illegal.

And, if it is not illegal, it should not be prohibited in SL. I find many things disgusting that you may think are moral high ground. Let's agree to disagree on those things and keep them where we won't offend each other.

I have absolutely no interest in age play, BTW. This issue is not limited to ageplay but any area where some people want to assert their alleged moral superiority.

People have interests that are not their choices, but rather are deep seated aspects of their psyche which may even have a genetic basis. A person who desires things we find disgusting is not an immoral person. Morality is a matter of choice and action, not of inclination.

Obviously, those who would engage in pedophilia in RL are engaging in horrible, harmful acts that are banned in the civilized world. This includes child pornography because of the children who are expolited by it.

However, role-playing between consenting adults is not pedophelia, nor is it child pornography. No children are harmed as a result.

Whether it encourages illegal RL acts or discourages them is an interesting, important, and highly debatable point, that requires careful study rather than blithe assertions. The arguments for both sides are cogent: SL could provide a safe outlet, or it could whet an appetite. It would be best if we knew the truth on this rather than clinging to our preconceptions. It would not be easy to determine the truth here, though.

But I feel that without good evidence that the likelihood of children being harmed increases as a result of SL ageplay, it should be allowed. Unfortunately, my opinion does not prevail here; SL is no doubt following their legal counsel and taking the safe road, and various governments are kowtowing to overzealous moral bigots.
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05-11-2007 09:14
And, of course it is far better to pretend to condemn people to eternal living death and suck their blood, than it is to pretend to be a child. I see the clear moral difference here!

OK, there is a significant difference: there are no real vampires whereas there are real pedophiles. However, rest assured that there are twisted people who actually do want to suck real blood. (There are no special laws about this since assault covers it.) Therefore, vampire play should be illegal, since the corresponding RL acts are heinous.
Mickey McLuhan
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05-11-2007 09:14
Then please, PLEASE explain to us what Vampirism is, if it's not what we've seen from folklore and popular fiction? Please fill us in on what this thing, based on fictional beings who suck blood to live, can't abide the light of the sun, can't cross running water, are allergic to garlic, religious symbols and holy water, is...

As far as I've seen, RL "Vampirism" is a dangerous roleplay enacted by sad, sick people who want to be special, who heighten their risks of infection and disease transmission with the sharing of blood.

But I'm sure I'm wrong, aren't I? Please explain to us what vampirism is, if not these things.

Notice I put these out as my opinions and not as definitive statements, like you did with "It encourages paedophiles"...
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Vryl Valkyrie
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05-11-2007 09:16
Yep that's right Lear.. I stand by my opinion and I have an extremely open mind except when it comes to anything pertaining to children. I won't budge from this mindset.

Mickey, this thread is about age-play. If you want to start a thread about Vampirism, then do it.


Bravo to LL for making age-play illegal in SL... they did something right.



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05-11-2007 09:17
I posted this on the locked Double Standards thread but I'll cross post here since this thread may be more relevant (and not locked :))

From: someone
Possessing weapons of mass destruction and shooting people in the face without a license to is illegal, yet we can still shoot people in the face in SL.
This whole thing is leaving me confused as to where to stand on it, but the question is where to draw the line? I mean, sure rape is illegal in real life because it hurts people physically/emotionally, as the word implies, you are FORCING yourself upon them. But you can't do that in SL, so rape groups are just another form of RP, that I may not agree with, but ultimately don't hurt anybody so long as they aren't doing it in public spaces or otherwise getting it in the faces of people who don't want to see it.

Same with bestiality, I'm a furry and I don't for a second condone the abuse of animals, I own a horse and wouldn't know justice complete enough for anyone who abused her. But SL doesn't HAVE any 'real' animals, it's just pretend. Again, so long as people aren't forcing it on others by doing it in public I see no issue with it as ultimately it doesn't hurt anyone either.

Same with age-play, sure I think it's weird and disgusting but that's my opinion of it. Others obviously enjoy it, and again, so long as they aren't doing it in public then it doesn't hurt anyone either.

I mean, we need to draw a line on this because it's one thing to perform a horrific real-life crime such as child or animal abuse or rape, it's another do something that's pretend and just LOOKS like it. It's the same with violent video games, I can buy a game where I shoot the crap out of people, cut off their arms and legs, but it's completely different from me going out and DOING it.
SL is all about "our world" and "our imagination", so long as we don't hurt anyone or cross any truly illegal boundaries (such as importing child-porn, copyright materials and gambling since legislation now covers it in many places) then all we do is imagine, acting out things as pretend. However weird or sick to other people some of these things are, doing it virtually as pretend is a hell of a lot better than going out and doing it, and I don't see why there should be any problem so long as no-one is being hurt by these things and it's kept private with individuals interested in it.

So by all means; ban the crap out of people importing child-porn, or beastiality pictures, or rape photos or whatever. But beyond imported images these crimes don't actually EXIST in SL where everyone is an adult free to CHOOSE so why are we trying to enforce it?! The only thing to enforce is inappropriate behaviour, I for one don't want to see child avatars whoring themselves, or random people shagging a goat in public. But if they do it in private where I can't see them or at a club for that group where it's acceptable behaviour, then I don't mind it at all.
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05-11-2007 09:23
Ugh!! It is so NOT the same. Age-play (I don't care what Wiki or anyone else says) often leads to sexual desires or abuse of children. I think anyone who does this is twisted in their mind. This is my personal opinion which by the way, I am fully entitled to... I don't apologize for it either... I cannot condone any form of sexual age-play because I find it hideous and appalling beyond words. Children must always be protected and this crap doesn't protect them at all.. it's SICK.


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05-11-2007 09:25
From: Vryl Valkyrie
Ugh!! It is so NOT the same. Age-play (I don't care what Wiki or anyone else says) often leads to sexual desires or abuse of children. I think anyone who does this is twisted in their mind. This is my personal opinion which by the way, I am fully entitled to... I don't apologize for it either... I cannot condone any form of sexual age-play because I find it hideous and appalling beyond words. Children must always be protected and this crap doesn't protect them at all.. it's SICK.


Vryl Valkyrie


Yes, children must be protected, no disputing that. However no child is harmed by age playing in Second Life. You claim it leads to abuse of children, prove it.
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05-11-2007 09:26
From: Vryl Valkyrie
Ugh!! It is so NOT the same. Age-play (I don't care what Wiki or anyone else says) often leads to sexual desires or abuse of children.

Right. The Wikipedia article backs up everything with citations. I take it you can do the same? Or do we just have to trust you on this one? :rolleyes:
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05-11-2007 09:32
Hi Walker, actually the Wiki is not the expert here and I wouldn't give a rat's tail if it were. Furthermore, Wiki does state that age-play is often sexual and that is what we are talking about here... sexual age-play and yes it is my PERSONAL opinion that sexual age-play is twisted and that people who do it are sick and need help in a big way because it involves sexual fantasies about children.. often the person who plays the child is reliving being abused.. the person who plays the adult is either re-enacting an abuser or has desires to abuse children himself but perhaps he wouldn't or she wouldn't.. then again perhaps he/she would because virtual fantasy wouldn't be enough to satisfy their demented needs. It is like a drug and with any drug, the junkie only wants more.

Please don't think for one second that you can ever sway me to change my views because you cannot. Any personal attacks will bounce off like water because I expect this from giving my opinion in a public format.


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05-11-2007 09:35
From: Vryl Valkyrie
Ugh!! It is so NOT the same. Age-play (I don't care what Wiki or anyone else says) often leads to sexual desires or abuse of children.

But you have no proof of this. How can you make a definitive statement like this which, as you say, is proven wrong by Wiki and "anyone else".
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I think anyone who does this is twisted in their mind. This is my personal opinion which by the way, I am fully entitled to... I don't apologize for it either... I cannot condone any form of sexual age-play because I find it hideous and appalling beyond words. Children must always be protected and this crap doesn't protect them at all.. it's SICK.


See, this, I don't have a problem with, because you are stating it as your opinion and that's fine.

I DO, however, find it interesting that you see no correlation between Vampirism, which by your reasoning, could lead to VERY dangerous behaviour and consequences in "real" life, as you put it, and Ageplay, which you plainly state leads to child abuse.
You then say "Children must always be protected and this crap doesn't protect them at all"... What children are being hurt by this? Seriously.

If you are going to take the "Ageplay should be banned because it leads to dangerous things in real life", you HAVE to follow with "Vampirism should be banned because it leads to the transmission of blood which is INSANELY dangerous in real life."
I don't see how you can dismiss that.
There ARE cases of people being infected with Hepatitis and AIDS from these sorts of roleplaying games, not to mention that it really is kind of disgusting and sick and shouldn't be condoned, regardless of the real-life inherant dangers involved. 'Course, that's just my opinion.
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05-11-2007 09:40
Mickey this thread is about Age-play not anything else so I won't respond to the other topics because you just want to bait me and it won't work. I stand by my opinion and for the record.. one doesn't compare to the other because for me anything involving kids is just sick and I have 0 tolerance for it.


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05-11-2007 09:45
OH MY GOD! It doesn't involve kids! It's two adults!

No children were harmed in the making of this movie.

And I'm not baiting, I'm trying to see how you can dismiss the argument like that. I think it's a valid point. I'm making a correlation between the dangers of Ageplay, as you set out, and the dangers of Vampirism.

If I were to start a thread like this, would you participate?
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05-11-2007 09:49
From: Vryl Valkyrie
Hi Walker, actually the Wiki is not the expert here..
The Wikipedia entry cites evidence. You cite personal opinion which you don't seem able to back up with any evidence. The Wikipedia entry clearly offers more expert opinion.
From: Vryl Valkyrie

Please don't think for one second that you can ever sway me to change my views because you cannot. Any personal attacks will bounce off like water because I expect this from giving my opinion in a public format.

:rolleyes:I have no interest in changing your personal opinion, and from what I can see nobody has launched a personal attack against you. People are challenging your opinions because that's what happens when you engage in a debate. If you're not here for the debate but to say "it's like this and you're all unreasonable for even questioning me," well, I apologise for wasting your time.
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