Visibiity and Accessibility

Sorry to sound rude but I am not amused . After every stinking SL client and first look viewer up date I spend 2 hour JUST getting set up .. I am being logged out repeatedily.. for one .. I CANNOT read any of the fonts on the UI (legally blind and most know that by now after a year and a half), I would think by now based on what I hear from other residents that there would be SOME form of visual accessibility for UI fonts and private message fonts so a person doenst have to squint through the debug menu eto find the right place to change things then log in adn out in and out just to set up fonts!!.. Guy's.. there HAS to be a better way ???

This is for me and for the population who is getting older and visual issues are becoming more common . this is the only game I have come accross that does not allow for any kind of UI font adjustment client side that doesn't invloved jumpint through hoops and barrels. Very disappointing especially now with new accessibility laws out now. compliency is being looked at.. I have lost 2 and a half hours no JUST trying to get set up..!

Amaya

preferences->graphics->UI size slider all the way to the right, unchecking "use resolution independent scale" may make it bigger as well

umm have you tried using that? I have and it distorts everything to the point of non usabilitly

i have it at 1.1 right now with my screen at 1600x1200 and everything looks fine. a while back i had it at 0.85 with my screen at 1280x1024 and most everything looked fine

all well find and good but I need withotu any adjustment to UI through Debug a resolution of 800X600 and that slider set at at least 3.5 or higher depending on what I am doing.. beyouond it at it's pointless.. cna't do anything. It would b enice to be able to go higher but not gonna happen.

When I set up the debug settings I have huge fonts at 16, large at 14, smallat 13 and monospace at 12 sometimes 13. and I have to change teh fonts entirely.. what is used now is not clear. so have changed them both to arial. I need a round font face in order to see enough to accomplish what I am doing.

i just trryed it at 800x600 w/ the UI size at 1.4 and the text was so big it hurt my eyes, but then i have a 19" crt. how big is your monitor?

19 inch LCD.

lcd screens have pour image quality when running at something other then their native resolution which on a 19 would be 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 unless its a widescreen then it would be 1440x900 or maybe 1680x1050. have you tried running it at its native resolution with the UI size and such maxed out?

YOU do not understand... the LCD I have works far better then my 17 inch standard monitor.. I MUST run at 800X600. I also have accessibility on this machine on full tilt as well. tehre is nothing wrong with image quality for me. There IS somethign wrong with text SIZE.. and readability .. YOu do not udnerstand the visually imapired and their needs.. the methods used at present do NOT work. if you like I can send screenies of what I use and the differences.. but you will be waiting a day for them cuz it's a matter of switching everything back and forth and logging in and out and wiating for timeouts to pass. argh. All that is needed is in the log inscreen is a UI preerences window.. font sizes, adn font face chioces.. Smallest for teh Visually Impaired size should be no less then 12 pxls. some fon'ts on this UI are at 9. way way to small. Font faces need to be smooth lined, like Arial, Verdana, Thalholma and bold options would be nice for buttons. it's that simple.

as for the font settings you can make an overrides file with your settings and sl will use it every time it starts. first make a file named overrides.xml with the following text

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" standalone="yes"?>
<settings version = "101">
<FontSizeLarge value="14"/>
<FontSizeMedium value="12"/>
<FontSizeSmall value="10"/>
<FontSizeMonospace value="12"/>
<FontSansSerif value="Arial.ttf"/>
</settings>


modify as needed. then put it in you user folder for sl
on windows it should be

C:\Documents and Settings\%USERNAME%\Application Data\SecondLife\Amaya Summers\

and on a mac it would be

~/Library/Application Support/SecondLife/Amaya Summers/

and will this get over written on each update??

it shouldn't, but now i see that if you play around with the values to much sl will crash on startup trying to display the login screen, it looks like it corrupts the settings file, the fix it to just delete it

edit: i think it's related to the UI scale (i.e. it has to be 1.0 )

so this is mostly working for me, those settings don't seam to change the size of all the text but it covers most of them including the menu bars, buttens, and note cards

edit:

so i'm running with these setttings and UI at 1.0 and everythings seams fine

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" standalone="yes"?>
<settings version = "101">
<FontSansSerif value="Arial.ttf"/>
<FontSizeHuge value="24"/>
<FontSizeLarge value="20"/>
<FontSizeMedium value="16"/>
<FontSizeSmall value="12"/>
<FontSizeMonospace value="14"/>
</settings>

I don't recall ever seeing that. Thanks for posting that. I'm glad I happened to read this thread. I misinterpreted the title of the thread completely, I'm glad it turned out like it did, because this info will be quite useful, if it really works.

This override file should work for other settings as well, I take it.

Is this related to the Debug menu option Reload Personal Settings Overrides?

yes it should work for all of the debug menu options

forgot the monospace values that's what is wrong .. I can't be fiddling iwth setting's everythime I wnat to play this game when there is a update.. that's the responsibilty of the creators to creates it to be accessible by everyone. what I am requesting will benifit everyone . not just me.. how hard would it be to add an UI font settings panel to the clients???

no it was the huge size. and this file shouldn't get deleted when updating as its in the same folder as the chat & IM logs

errrrrrm k.. we'll see.. if it does get deleted I"m a gonna be more then a litle hissed on the next update and rightfully so .. heck I am not paid to ensure the coding is correct or to even do it msyelf! I'm legally blind for crying out loud and I am being asked to edit an xml file.. logic is missing here.. ..

To make sure that neither SL or your own actions make the file disappear, keep a separate copy somewhere else on your hard drive. If you have to, you can manually copy the file into the correct folder described above.

Or make a batch file to do the copying for you.

If one wanted, thay could start SL with a batch file that copies the overrides.xml file from it's secure location to the folder identified above, then starts SL. This approach would survive complete uninstallation of SL and manually removing the folders SL uses, so long as your batch file and your overrides file are kept where SL doesn't know anything about.

You could email a copy of the overrides file to yourself, if you use a web based email like gmail or hotmail or such, this would let you access the overrides file if you ever use SL at someone else's house, and would keep you from losing your overrides file if your hard drive crashed. Yahoo notepad can serve a similar function.

ok .. that just went ove rmy head .. I know you are trying to help but no one seems to even agree with the fact something is needed? in stread I am being told what I have to do to fix a problem that would be easily fixed on the creator and scripter end?? I am legally blind.. think about that? not to sound like I am being sorry for myself.. but think that logic through .. what blind person knows about batch files, xml files.. how to edit them ??? oh yeah and WHAT can I use to see these files?? I have NO clue how to set up a batch file.. what teh heck is that anyways??

i could write a shell script for OSX/Linux to do that if anyone wants. but as for a batch file...i'm sorry but it's been like 15 years since i've played with dos

i agree that something should be done and to that end i'll start looking at the viewer source code to see about adding a font tab to preferences where you could change all this stuff, but i cann't promiss anything so don't get your hopes up.

THAK YOU.. for hearing me ... trying is better then ignoring.. I can accept that and udnerstand.. all I ask is someone try .. meet me half way here .. that's all I ask.

Oh, I do agree that it would be real nice to have easily accessible control of the font size for each separate part of the interface, and have suggested this numerous times in the past, to no avail.

I'm not legally blind, I just have a normal amount of presbyopia for someone my age, and I find that quite sufficient to want more fine grained, easy control over the font sizes of individual parts of the interface.

Me agreeing with you doesn't do any good at all for anyone, unfortunately.

To promote your idea in an effective way these days, you have to either file a new feature issue in the Jira system, and engage in a campaign to get lots of votes for it before someone merges it into another proposal, or a Linden staffer closes it because it doesn't appeal to them and they can close anything they want anytime they feel like it, or, get the idea to catch the attention and get the support of the right Linden staffer, and then they can get it promoted within the organization and implemented without the slightest bit of support from SL users.

are you seriouse .. ? this is something very basic and benifical to all .. I"m not asking for an extra feature that we all will have to adapt to here or would reuire heavey intensive coding like adding voice or controling sky settings now am I? I am asking for something very BASIC.. and a right for us all. IN the US now there are accessibility laws out there.. I too have asked in teh past .. why one has to FIGHT for something basic is beyond me and really rediculouse.. Think abou tit .. what if you wre in my shoes?? you couldn't see but had to jump through hoops and barrels to accomplish something the dang scripts are capable of doing already?! Add a coupld buttons.. the options . and done!there has to be a way to bypass that bloody tiny font in the de-bug menue.. yes??? very few people even know about tha tdebug menmue so what goo dis it doing just sitting there??