First Look Viewer: Improvement for you?

No worries, it will install into a different directory and give you a different shortcut on your desktop. Never shall the two meet.

Thank you! Now I'm curious how it looks, installing now....

Mandy C

Using 58018, I have the exact same problems with loading clothing and skin textures. I'm using a 4800+ (dual core), 4G RAM, XTX 1900X 512M with ATI drivers, though possibly not the most recent ATI drivers.

Every person's eyes look like black, hollow sockets. It's pretty creepy. I can sorta make out the shape of hair, though not the color on it. Male shirts look like bare skin, sort of, except for some weird rumpling around the shoulder area. Skin texture just looks like newb skin, but worse. I saw one woman wearing a shirt or blouse, and it was a blur of bright yellow. Her eyes were again hollow sockets. I did manage to rez her skirt, somewhat; I saw red color with a few lines of detail.

I am able to rez textures that aren't related to skins, clothing, or avatars. I saw the "shiny" texture on a pair of salsa balls just fine. I think I was also able to rez some vendor signs, and I rezzed my dock and my shop ok. It's avatar textures that are the problem. It's downright unpleasant to look at avatars through this viewer, for me.

I've set video memory to 512M. (When I loaded First Look for the first time yesterday, it thought my card had 32M; I reset it, and it hasn't forgotten this setting.) I've checked and unchecked VOB. I've cleared the cache, added and subtracted to cache space; right now it's around 600MB, and I have 40G free on that disk drive. I've also moved the bandwidth setting around. None of this has the slightest effect.

My desktop--which I use mainly for SL these days--is a custom built. It's had issues ever since it fried it's central nervous system.

Still, there's a boxx out there that I would be unable to build with my current knowledge. I want the machine like crazy though!
Link to a pdf with system specs. According to the call I made to sales, it's a $30,000 system, but I don't if it that was fully loaded or not (I think the guy was a little exasperated that I didn't need the multi-core processing for anything and was "just a computer geek wanting to know how much it cost".

what makes me laugh is some say they send xamount to build their computer. Then the add a stolen OS system, Stolen virus detector etc............ OMG Software cost alot of money.

Welli built this one at a starting cost og 1250.00 US monies. Then after 2 year now i added 1500.00 worth of upgrades and I fun well.

But the time is coming soon i need to built the quad core system. I have the budget on the side ready to build. waiting for the new fraphic cards to appear my mid year and i build me computer.

Prices in japan are very nice,

It's not stolen. Each copy of that software has a key that tells the maker that it is supported by the company that sold you the box, not them, which is where the price tag comes in. There are 2 kinds of free:
Free to get
Free support
Unfortunately Windows falls under niether, even having purchased my own copy of XP I still only get 3 free tech support calls (after which it costs an arm, a leg, and my left kidney).

I have legal access to VOLUME licensed products through my position at the workplace. Sure, it would be a $2000 system once you had to purchase an O/S, I agree there. But there are some of us that are lucky exceptions. ;> Nothing stolen here, it's all 100% legitimate.

Gental and Draco,

(Gental thats another issue thats is iffing)
Do you know how many kids are stealing Operations systems? OMG more then one might thinks.

I have this one very strange friend on sl that said he buildt a computer for less then X amount. I said how? Then I figured out he stole the operation system amount other software. ( then again this same jerk asked me to give him my password and account ).

I made this remark about people stealling OS because it does happen ALOT. These same people the are OWE it because they spent so much fo the systemk in the first place... Then people wonder why they are always crashing breaking etc on sl? MAYBE its the OS not being payed for maybe?

A side note to this..........I went out and bought a Zalman Cooling fan.......GUESS what? I don`t dont crash anymore? Was it because of faulty parts? NO Was it due to having XP pro and not vista? NO Was it due to bad DDR? NO Are my FPS rates up? YES...... The problem I am seeing with First Look is that its really stresses the CPU and Graphic Card. The heat buildup is UNREAL. Specially In nightmarish badly Buildt/Scripted island/Sims. Now Things are Much Much Better!.......Did i have to do what one person said no, but Heat buildup with the this new Client really does stress a factor with this client.

Usagi

You can steal any software these days, but it doesn't make the software more expensive. The people who steal it wouldn't have bought it in the first place. It's lost sales either way.

Oh yes it does, tahts my point...But do they even buy the software? I doubt it. The salers of those wares are the loser in two counts 1.) defective and offen virused products 2.) the loss of money...
If one can`t afford high priced things like good computer they should not being doing them inthe first place right?

I'm sorry, but that was confusing. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Ok with a better spelling these times ok
What? look my point is since what you said did not make that much sence to start with it was hard to reply to it.


Point is Stolen software is bad in to sences,

1.) stolen software offen is reworked coded with virus(s) at times ( this hurts the creators of the software but giving it a bad PR)

2.) the creators lose money...

If people can`t afford to spend money for computers they should not borther buying things in the first place

I've never seen of or even heard of this issue.



Theoretically, but as the people who torrent software X weren't going to buy software X in the first place.



Some people are stupid. Take my grandfather for instance. Bought a $30,000 unix super computer (with money he didn't have) because he might maybe possibly be starting a business with a guy who knew unix (this was Back In The Day). More recently he bought a DVD player, or more correctly, two of them: one to read, one to write (because he likes to pirate rented movies so he doesn't ever need to rent them again......despite never watching it again anyway).

oh well totally lost me here

Anyways, about the First Look viewer...lol, I downloaded and installed the new version (1.13.3-5800). How is this current viewer running for you guys? It seems to be running well for the most part. Here are the current problems I am having...actually more like minor annoyances....

1) Textures rezzing then unrezzing then rezzing again or not rezzing at all.

2) The viewer forgets my name and that section is occasionally left blank on the login page.

3) Extreme lag (not sure if it's because of the weekend and grid problems)

4) The inventory will jump to the very top folder sometimes when I click on an expander arrow

5) The wrong menus are popping up when right clicking things in my inventory - 2 more right clicks fixes that

Let me just explain that I install Second Life in a folder on an external drive because it has a lot more room than my C: drive does. I even designate a nice little folder on this external drive for the cache. When I download a new version I uninstall and remove all Second Life files from the drive so the user settings will not be saved. I do this on purpose so I can have a nice clean install. I explain this because when I go to redo all of my settings and press apply it doesn't save them the first time. It will save them the second time. On the other hand, it would seem the inventory folders staying open problem is no more and the First Look viewer has not crashed on me at all for quite a few updates.

Alright, let me use an example. There is a game out there called City Life. The description sounds like it is Sim City, but with an added level of detail: actual people.

For the sake of argument, lets say that no demo exists (there is one, but I had to go through extrordinary lengths to find it, as their link took me to Downloads.com where it refused to download).
The game costs $50, assume it interests you a little:
Do you buy it?

First Look, when I first started using it, solved soooo many problems for me. Suddenly I could see what SL was *supposed* to be like. Movements were so much smoother, lag disappeared, textures rezzed completely and quickly, I never crashed. That lasted for exactly one rev. Currently it runs almost as badly as the main client, and I can't stay logged in for more than a few minutes before crashing. I'm sad, because First Look gave me back SL and now it's cruelly taken it away from me again. sigh.

The real reason stealing Microsoft software is bad is because it helps Microsoft maintain their monopoly. Microsoft didn't even bother trying to stop you until they'd pretty much established their overwhelming position, despite Bill Gates' early flaming about piracy, even during the period where insane levels of paranoid copy-protection where the norm even for professional software.

That I won't disagree with. Though, if I was going to "steal" an OS I'd go Open Source anyway (Linux FTW!)
Windows XP came with my laptop, my dad bought it for me when I built my desktop (and he fervently denies doing so, but then he forgot that he bought me 6 steaks to broil at my appartment, so....). So for the time being I am a Winblows User. I've attempted to install about 6 or 7 different flavors of Linux on my desktop to migrate over, but none of them have worked yet (Mandrake did until it decided that my video card was some how no longer supportive of the GUI and would only boot in command line).

.and they are going to release this client soon? After a few more turns by the coders.I don`t think so.

Grant you the tp issues is almost fixed, pocktloss is still occuring.....etc. Most of the problems that occured are now nolonger. BUt we are not that close to a release.

Reposted from another topic since it is related: Both of my computers are experiencing a texture problem in SL using the FL client. Once in a while a texture will show up completely wrong. I was editing my appearance and my skin turned into blue checked designs. It's like the pipeline for the textures screwed up. A few days ago a linden tree had the same problem. it looked like some acid tripping Hippy flew by and painted it "woah thats one groovin tree man...". I was running both PCs with SL and noticed it first on my older PC my skin had changed. I decided to use my other PC with another account to see myself change clothes so i started switching through my clothes, and all of a sudden both clients ended up the blue checked pattern.

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Seriously the FL client needs to stay in testing a little while longer. It isn't ready yet.