Locked out of our own land

Today something unusual happened.
We had been locked out from our own land by a guy that has no power what so ever over the land in question, someone we never heard of before.

How is it possible to for someone to lock even the land owner out from her own land?
We are now a little worried, we have paid alot of cash for the land we own and do not want it stolen under our noses...

so ... whats up with this? We had taken an break for 2 hours and this happens...
Sure we could unlock our land again but thats not the point....
Someone not in our group could suddenly lock us out!
Àny answers to this?



(Sorry if its in wrong place, but too upset to think)

Is the land on the Mainland or is it on an Island - if it is an Island the owner of the Island does have that power, and can give it to managers also. ... I'm not sure how it could happen on the mainland.

What do you mean "locked out"?

Are you now seeing red ban lines or do you mean something else?

edit: assuming you do mean 'banned' and it's mainland that you own: is it group land? are you a part of anything like BanLink or some other system that shares ban lists? Who is this guy that locked you out - somebody you know or somebody that's been giving you trouble? Have you talked to him about this?

Try right-clicking on the land and choosing About Land from the pie menu...

Are you listed in the Ban tab, and can you remove yourself (selves)?

It is mainland land, where I am the manager.

We got to see red ban lines when going closer to land both land owner and me.
It is group owned land, we dont share ban list with anyone.



we could lift our bans but thats not the point, this should not be able to happen.
We have never met this guy before as what I know.

What I wish to know how it is possible for a random guy to get power over group owned land that belongs to a group he is not part of??

This isn't actually quite true: the owner of an island can enter an Estate Ban (but the effect of that is very different from a parcel ban), or can Reclaim the land, but that's all - owning an island does not give you owner equivalent powers on every parcel on the island.

Does the group still own the land? (Check via the "Land and L$" panel on Group Info?)

Yes a couple possibilities here

Someone with ban powers banned you and the land owner- You should be able to unban youself with the camera zoom and selecting the parcel.

-OR-

Someone in your group you gave sell land powers to, took possesion of the land and evicted you and the owner.

This is why you never ever ever ever ever .......... ever give land sell powers to people you cant trust with your money. This includes the power to set Roles- since then they can give the power to themselves.

ever .. ever .. ever



ever



EDIT - Hmmmm

did someone invite that guy to the group and you didnt know it? Does your low level group powers include eject and ban powers?

Have either yourself or the landowner/sim owner placed a scripted object that allows residents to be banned by text command ("voice"?

Sorry, I wasn't clear - don't name names in the forums. I was just wondering what your relationship was with the guy.

Anyway, how do you know he was the one who did this?


If it's group land, you should check the abilities of the various roles in the group and note who has control over parcel ban lists. It may be that somebody mistakenly added this ability to people who shouldn't have it.

We have never met this guy before, he has not what I know visted us before.
He was the only one with access to any part of our land (with is still group owned) so its not hard to guess on that part....

We know that he has never had this power, he has not been part of group either.
The onlyone who has ability to change abilitys for roles is the owner and her husband...
I know them both very good



no we do not have any such scripted objects.



The low level powers do not include eject and ban.
Manager, Owners and Tenants can ban, but the tenants where banned too

How do you know that he did it?

Simple, if some guy you never heard of before is only one on access list and everyone else is banned from land ....

good point - I dont remember seeing notes given to me when people were banned when I have owned land where others had ban powers.

People would just get added to the ban list - I wouldnt know who added them, or why.

Oh.. You didn't say that before!

That gives an idea on upgrades to ban system...
a list on who does the ban...

hmmmm

Just you - One other manager and the owner can Ban people, right?

How many people have the ability to deed objects to group? With it being group owned land I think a group owned scripted object could potentially edit the ban list (not possitive on this)

The other possibility is the other Manager banned everyone and gave this guy access. Making sure to ban himself so you wouldnt suspect him/her.

Kind of like a kid writing their brothers name on the wall so they dont get in trouble for writing on the wall.

What the owner does is eject this person from the group, check to make sure that they are the only ones benefitting from the accounting and the only one managing the ban list, and then sell the land to himself, and then back to group.

Still doesn't mean he had anything to do with it as the sim owner (or an owner in the group to which the land is deeded) could've placed them on the access list.

Unless there's a bug/exploit here that nobody else is talking about, I'd bet that he somehow got into a group role that allowed him to do this. That or somebody else with those privs did it and is trying to make him look bad.

Reset the access/ban lists to the way you want it, double check the role/ability info in the group and ask him what he knows about it.

This appears to be somewhat new behavior. In the not-so-distant past, if you had ban privileges in your group role, this would prevent you from being added to the banlist for that parcel, even if its being done by a scripted object.

I just tested this on a group-owned parcel that I'm the owner of - sure enough, it allowed me to ban myself, red-bars and all. On the good side, since I'm an owner, it was just as easy for me to right-click the land and unban myself as well.

This seems to be a 'bug' to me, since it didn't work this way in the past.

As far as how someone else was able to do this - based upon your description of the issue, I dont believe they used a scripted solution to do this. You said above that they set the Access list to on, and set themselves as the only person allowed entry.

There is no LSL command to manage the Access list, only the ban list.

That said - either this person inadvertantly got higher-level access permissions to your group, or they're leveraging some sort of exploit. I'd definately open a support ticket on this with LL just in case.

We will be keeping an eye on the whole mess for now.
to make everything clear from confusing mess...

1) This guy has never been in group what we know off
2) Deed to group is for residents/management
3) I am only manager + 2 owners

Thank you everyone for trying to help out.
We will see what is going on and PRAY its not a bug thats out there

The owner selling the land back to himself will clear the list and end the problem, as well as ejecting the person from the group. The rest should be put in JIRA.

There's two "commands" to manage the Access List:
* llAddToLandPassList
* llRemoveFromLandPassList

I don't suggest posting a JIRA entry/bug report as the OP does not _own_ the parcel in question and is also not an _owner_ in the group to which the land is deeded, and thus has no idea if the owners added an alt (with tweaked perms) to the group and unchecked Show in Group List. Plus, as with all bugs: Is it replicable?