First Look users: how many of these issues have you encontered with voice?
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Pratyeka Muromachi
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Join date: 14 Apr 2005
Posts: 642
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07-22-2007 16:00
voice will never be the norm, never be popular, because the SL experience becomes way too intimate with voice.
The reason SL is used is the total annonymity. Nothing is real, not your av, not what you own or wear. Using voice breaks that annonymity by including your real voice into the virtual world. This goes against the unconscious impulse of keeping the "mask" up and intact.
Resources would have been better spent on providing a way to backup our inventory agains the unexpected inventory losses caused by screwed up database servers.
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Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
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07-22-2007 17:27
"Users in voice chat ignored an approach from a text user"
This one really is going to cause problems. I can see a ignoring of some types of users now. And even more worse and more rude and self centered people.
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Yiffy Yaffle
Purple SpiritWolf Mystic
Join date: 22 Oct 2004
Posts: 2,802
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07-22-2007 18:32
As i heard, linux users don't have voice chat yet, either i hope it gets added before release or they get it shortly after, we don't want them being left out since their our programmers and stuff. ;p
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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 5,586
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07-22-2007 20:08
From: Tod69 Talamasca If people wanted to learn how to build, script or texture in SL, do you think they really really want to read several pages of text?? When you're doing comprehensive reading, you'll generally read at a speed that's over twice as fast as what you'd be able to hear. If you're skimming through a text, you'll read at a speed 4-6 times faster than speech. Nothing really beats text in terms of speed and rate of absorption. From: someone No one wants to take the time to read several dozen paragraphs on how to do stuff. They want a quick answer. Speech is alot quicker. And there you have the actual problem. People don't ask those repetetive questions because their question isn't answered somewhere, but because they can't be bothered to find it and feel that if someone else does it for them, they'll save time and effort. For interactive helping, I really don't see where you gain time either, it's generally quite tedious. Explaining to someone how to rebake is a simple "Open the client menu at the top (Ctrl-Alt-D or Ctrl-Alt-Shift-D if you don't see it) and then pick Client / Rendering / Rebake Textures". With voice that becomes: "Do you see the Client menu?" "No" "Ctrl-Alt-D or Ctrl-Alt-Shift-D to bring that up" (silence) "Ctrl-Shift-what? It doesn't work" "Ctrl... Alt.... then D" "B?" "No, D... for Dog" "Ah, ok. There it is" "Now go to Client / Rendering / Rebake Textures" "Wait... wait... Client, and then?" "Rendering" "Ok...." "Then rebake textures" "Ok..." No matter how slow you type, that's going to take a whole lot more time than the time it took you to type the one sentence, with exactly the same result. Voice beats text for friendly conversation, but for helping it's certainly not better. |
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Yumi Murakami
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
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07-22-2007 20:48
From: Kitty Barnett Voice beats text for friendly conversation, but for helping it's certainly not better. Actually, one of the people at our meeting pointed out a big benefit of voice with helping: the person you're helping can talk back in voice without disrupting the SL user interface. If they're building, for example, they can freely voice without having to deselect the Build window, release their current tool key combination, etc. |
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Tod69 Talamasca
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Join date: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 4,107
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07-23-2007 01:10
From: Kitty Barnett When you're doing comprehensive reading, you'll generally read at a speed that's over twice as fast as what you'd be able to hear. If you're skimming through a text, you'll read at a speed 4-6 times faster than speech. Nothing really beats text in terms of speed and rate of absorption.
And there you have the actual problem. People don't ask those repetetive questions because their question isn't answered somewhere, but because they can't be bothered to find it and feel that if someone else does it for them, they'll save time and effort.
For interactive helping, I really don't see where you gain time either, it's generally quite tedious. Explaining to someone how to rebake is a simple "Open the client menu at the top (Ctrl-Alt-D or Ctrl-Alt-Shift-D if you don't see it) and then pick Client / Rendering / Rebake Textures".
With voice that becomes:
"Do you see the Client menu?"
"No"
"Ctrl-Alt-D or Ctrl-Alt-Shift-D to bring that up"
(silence)
"Ctrl-Shift-what? It doesn't work"
"Ctrl... Alt.... then D"
"B?"
"No, D... for Dog"
"Ah, ok. There it is"
"Now go to Client / Rendering / Rebake Textures"
"Wait... wait... Client, and then?"
"Rendering"
"Ok...."
"Then rebake textures"
"Ok..."
No matter how slow you type, that's going to take a whole lot more time than the time it took you to type the one sentence, with exactly the same result.
Voice beats text for friendly conversation, but for helping it's certainly not better. So when you call a Phone Support line for something, how do you follow along? It's the same with Voice in SL. Just gotta have patience and speak clearly. This would work best when Teaching a subject where the students attention is on the teacher. Hmmmm.... just like a real classroom? And YES- I WILL give out Detentions!!!  And as Yumi even states, it's great for times when you're building & someone comes along asking questions. I hate to turn away New Folks just because I'm "in the zone".
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Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
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07-23-2007 02:25
Voice had its + points. But there are those that have its written type so they can always refer back to it. Voice you have to keep repeating until they finally get it. To some its a + but to others -.............
Usagi
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Sarah Nerd
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Join date: 22 Aug 2005
Posts: 796
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07-23-2007 02:36
Although I haven't been to fond of the idea of voice, after downloading first look and spending some time today looking around for other voice users, not to talk but to listen to how it sounded. I met a very polite helpful guy who explained all the voice basics to me and honestly I loved hearing his English accent. So although I think my own use of voice will be seldom with all the back round noise (kids and pets) I kinda like the idea of having the option to use voice now even if it's only to listen. I think some of you are very right when you say that this will be a great tool for sl education.
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