Previos (Pre-Voice) download

Silly me, I forgot their track record and when today's update said it was a 'performance and stability' update, well after last weekend I jumped on it. Unfortunately, it was neither....just voice and that horrid comcenter.

Does anyone have a link to the old client DL? I checked secondlife.com, but they have pulled it and put up the new client. I flat out CANNOT stand this new commcenter (it is why I tried vocie beta ONCE and uninstalled it) and really want to upgrade back to the last version.

Also looking for previous version. Pretty please? Everything else aside, I don't think I can get used to the Friends list being so squashed up. =/

I am to the point that I am about to log out in frustration. This is UTTERLY unusable to me...its too big on the screen, the friends list is too tiny with huge unused space round it, and I am missing parts of conversations.

While I think voice is a HUGE waste of time and I have no issues with them adding controls for it...BUT they should have left us with the option of using the OLD interface if we preferred it. I don't intend to ever use voice, so I don't particularly NEED the new commcenter. either put out a .3 version that lets us choose the old layout or publish a link so we can UPGRADE back to the previous .1 version of the client.

Torley? You out there, oh Community Personage?

That box is sizeable. Cursor > double arrow > squash it down.

I know that, however, it is still nearly 2x the size I had the original configuration at.

WinOS version - http://s3.amazonaws.com/download-secondlife-com/Second%20Life%201-18-0-6%20Setup.exe

ThankyoU!

I haven't seen it yet, but I thought they were doing some major changes to the communication window...

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Not trying to play 'gotcha' here, but just wondering if it's any different than First Look? I can't come inworld right now myself.

I hear ya Maklin.

Still cannot be resized as small as the other one, Desmond. Still cannot have local chat and IM open at once...have to keep tabbing back and forth (it does have the fading text at the bottom that fades too damn fast). Typical 'revise something because we can' update.

If you decide to install it, I would recommend doing it on a different PC than your main one, or backing up your SL directory first so you can replace it if you hate it as badly as I do. The link to the version above still suffers from the 'cant see your friends list as online' bug...but I am WILLING TO LIVE WITH THAT over the new commcenter, if that tells you anything.

Bless you, friend! I am back ingame! I wsa damn close to getting out for good, I hate the commcenter that much.

I always rename my SL as soon as it's on. So, I have both today. Not liking the new one either, so will simply use the old one.

BTW, when I downloaded the new one, it gave me the option to include voice, or not. i chose yes, and wish i hadn't. will it work at all, without the milion dollar headset?

Log in here: http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1076 (cut/paste the URL to another browser window), log in with your SL username/password, and let LL know what you think.

Not sure if anyone at LL is actually _reading_ it, but they're more likely to see an opinion posted there than here.

Good luck

Well, I'd *LIKE* to post there...but I have actually found an interface that sucks a** more than the new commcenter...the Jira. Logged in, can't figure out how to post from there, not inclined to spend the time to figure it out. The JIRA seems almost tailor-made to dissuade folks from leaving comments via complexity.


EDIT -

Wait! Finally figured out how to post (comment, hrm, most places call it post). Leaving a post, er comment, though I doubt it will do any good...this is clearly some prima-donna programmer's pet project and nothing we say will change it.

There are absolutely no excuses for this. Comment, after comment, after comment said "The new chat window is too big".

I guess LL know best hey.

It's pretty clear that NO LL employees other than Torley actually "play" SL.

NOONE that had any real knowledge or experience of how SL is used would have designed this UI.

Worse, they almost completly ignored all commentary about it. Complaints are pooh-poohed with "You're just resistant to change" (literally). While there is a grain of truth to that, they can't just use it to blow off any and ALL criticism. They were given a TON of great advice on this issue for months and made only a single concesion. (We are now VERY lucky to even be able to detach the chat history window!!!)

And the sad, sad part is, someone did a mock-up screenshot, showing how a separate floating window could be made for voice controls and posted it to the JIRA article. Simple, clean, elegant and DIDN'T require massive redoing of a working interface. it seems LL enjoys re-inventing the wheel as much as pissing off (and on) the players.

And yes, Other than Torley, I believe the most contact they have with the game and players is office hours (what few have them) and the occasional 'event' like the carnival/dunk the lindens event a few months back. Most the time I have seen a Linden of late, they are in deep conversation with some OS codemonkey...and the OS coders are famous for non-standard and difficult interfaces (THEY understand it, so what's YOUR problem with it? mentality).

I do believe that LL is very aware that the communicate window is not all it can be, and certainly not enjoyed by most residents. And as mentioned above, they did say there were going to have another go at revamping it. I cannot for the life of me figure out why you say sl is unusable because of it though, and would be willing to quit if you didnt find an old version. It really isn't that horrible, and it does do an aweful lot in that one window. Sure, it took some getting used to, but it really does work quite well with the latest round of bug fixes on it. Anyway, I hope that when they do release a revamped one, that it doesn't take as long to get all the bugs out of it like it did this one. I also wish you luck in to continuing to find pre-communicate window versions, who knows, maybe the open source community will come up with a developement tree for it, as I think LL will be sticking with this for a time, and sooner of later you might have to be forced to use it............

And I cannot understand how you can use it...or get used to it. Its a matter of opinion, for you and how you play SL it works quite well...for how *I* and others that posted here and in the JIRA play SL, it does not work for us to varying degrees.

And I have already decided to down-tier soon as I can sell out and start the cashout process. I can see the writing on the wall...no one at LL has the guts to answer either in the forums or on the JIRA, they push this out KNOWING how it was received in beta and the probable results here with vague promises of some future revamp, so they WILL try to force it on us by making one or two minor changes that truly improve nothing while issuing self-congratulatory statements about how they 'listened to the community'.

I flat out will not use it... And I won't be forced to use it, I will be gone at that point. At some point, you literally have to mentally draw a line and say 'Enough, I am tired of this'. After the last week of sim crashes, lag, disabled searches, semi-working searches, failed ports, etc (I could go on) and now THIS? I have hit the point where I have drawn a mental line and said 'Enough!'

My time here is limited, I understand that, and I will hold out with 1.18.0 (6) and its bugs as long as is humanly possible....then its finished. Got to admit, it was one hell of a 2.5 year ride and a hell of a lot of fun! The game has SOOO much potential, but LL keeps squandering that with things like this.

I have been using first look for a little while now, and I have gotten accustomed to the new chat interface

I rip off the history for local chat so have that as the old way
it is nice having groups and friends in the chat box, easy access

everyone is different
everyone will not be happy

LL should make the new "communication" feature optional in our edit preferences.

Then at least it lets those that want to use it, use it and those that do not, can use the "classic" version.

Also, there may be times when depending on what we are doing in game at the time, when we may want to switch between the two.

Just a thought LL.

I would like to see this as an optional feature.

I don't want to see bug fixes only going into the Voice Client, while the non-Voice Client is left behind.

Someone mentioned they received a prompt for Voice during the upgrade. From the blog write-up it wasn't apparent that there is an updated non-Voice Client available as well.

Anyone take the non-Voice update route?

If so, was the new "communication" feature included or absent?

Unfortunately, the prompt was only to turn voice on or off, you STILL get the crappy communications deal either way. Only wya to get rid of it is go back to 1.18.0 (6)...which humorously, a Linden at hte support portal told me was IMPOSSIBLE since it was a MANDATORY update....uhm, said optional to me and the old works fine...seems even the Lindens don't know what the hell is going on with this update.

And what you suggest is exactly what I would like to have, a way of flipping back to the old UI. Most games allow scripting of the UI by players for christ sakes...and they aleady HAD the old one in place....how hard woudl it have been to add the new chat interface and a toggle as opposed to chopping out the old and adding the new as a replacement?

While I would stay in the old interface permenently, I don't begrudge anyone that likes the new one the right to use it. But its starting to get a bit sick of the LL tailkissers on the forums....I personally do not care if they LOVE the new interface more than god itself, more power too them, but I find it odd that some people (like quinn above) seem almost riteously OFFENDED that I do not like it and almost hell-bent on assuring me that I will, someday, eventually, if I am forced to suffer with it long enough.

Blind support for linden bad ideas makes no sense to me.

I'm going to continue using 3rd party viewers till they all are forced to upgrade their source to include the freaky communications window crap. The longer i put it off, the longer i remain sane...

Normally, I do not use 3rd party ANYTHING in games, but this has me so annoyed that I am willing to try. Do you have any links, Yiffy?

one good one is from nicholaz-beresford.blogspot.com

i use dale glass's viewer. I'm him for a link, i may not be supposed to spread it around to too many people. It may not contain the memory fixes that Nicholaz has, but it's in it's own folder not touching the normal client files.