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Anna Gulaev

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11-02-2006 20:35

I have a house that I built on land that I eventually deeded to a group. I set the group for the house to the group and deeded it to the group. Now, nobody can edit it. Not me, the creator, not the group owner, not the group officers. Nobody. I can retract my "share with group" (and so can the group owner) but this does not make it available for editing.

I can go into edit mode and it looks like I can move the whole thing, but if I select "edit linked parts" I can not edit linked parts. Trying to select parts of the object works like it does on objects I don't own.

How do I get my house back? How can I make it available to anyone in the group to edit?

Llauren Mandelbrot

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11-02-2006 20:51

This is one of the gotchas I warned you about in Group Land. Have you tried to sell the house back to yourself?

Anna Gulaev

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11-02-2006 21:11

I'm sorry, I must be stupid. I do not see anything in the other thread that might have prevented this. The house was owned by the group, yet nobody in the group could edit its parts. Is that what "other issues with this scenario" means?

Anyway, I did buy the house and it returned to my ownership. And, after a minute it was auto-returned to me. And, being a skybox, I once again found myself at 740 meters without a floor to stand on

Is there no way that multiple members of a group can edit the same object? Of course it doesn't have to be simultaneously. I just want different memebers to be able to make contributions to the house as they are able.

Anna Gulaev

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11-02-2006 21:13

I should also add that once it returned to my ownership I was still unable to edit its parts.

Eva Tiramisu

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11-02-2006 22:44

Hi Anna
The reason for this is that you didnt check the "next owner can modify" before you deeded it. A deeding to a group is the same as transferring to someone else. Even if you take it back, it will still be concidered transferred. There is nothing you can do know, next time though, remember to check that box first.

And yeah, I learned that the hard way like you....

Anna Gulaev

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11-03-2006 04:54

Thanks, Eva, that worked!

Llauren Mandelbrot

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11-03-2006 06:43

From: Anna Gulaev

I'm sorry, I must be stupid. I do not see anything in the other thread that might have prevented this. The house was owned by the group, yet nobody in the group could edit its parts. Is that what "other issues with this scenario" means?

Yes.

From: Anna Gulaev

Anyway, I did buy the house and it returned to my ownership. And, after a minute it was auto-returned to me. And, being a skybox, I once again found myself at 740 meters without a floor to stand on

Eep! I didn`t realize that your house wasn`t on the ground. [Then again, mine isn`t either.]

From: Anna Gulaev

Is there no way that multiple members of a group can edit the same object? Of course it doesn't have to be simultaneously. I just want different memebers to be able to make contributions to the house as they are able.

I wasn`t aware of anything specific, besides Grant Modify Rights, which I have had problems with, until I read Eva`s post. As for still not being able to edit the house, that is less surprizing than than if you had regained the ability to edit it. I`m kinda sorry now that I suggested it.

Meanwhile, I`m glad you got it figured out.

There is another gotcha here, though. With a spare object you can ruin safely, try adding prims to a group-owned editable object. It likely will not work as expected.

Llauren Mandelbrot

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11-03-2006 06:45

Is that what "other issues with this scenario" means?Correction: Yes, in part. there are still other issues to beware of, including some I am not yet aware of myself. Basicaly, proceed with caution, whatever you do. I wish you luck!

Anna Gulaev

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11-03-2006 08:49

From: Llauren Mandelbrot

With a spare object you can ruin safely, try adding prims to a group-owned editable object. It likely will not work as expected.

I'll experiment with this. The house is something I can ruin because I have a copy of it, but perhaps a chair would be easier to re-place

Llauren Mandelbrot

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11-03-2006 09:13

I'll experiment with this. The house is something I can ruin because I have a copy of it, but perhaps a chair would be easier to re-place

Excelent, but I was thinking rather that you practice on something rezed expressly for the experimentation. I.E., rez a copy of the chair, and mess with that, instead of messing with a chair that you already have there for use as a chair.

Regardless, please report back with anything specific you find that you find to be unexpected. I`ll be glad to comment on your findings, as seen from my perspective.

::hugs::, Llauren.

Anna Gulaev

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11-05-2006 08:27

From: Llauren Mandelbrot

There is another gotcha here, though. With a spare object you can ruin safely, try adding prims to a group-owned editable object. It likely will not work as expected.

Okay, I tried it. Added prims have to be deeded to the group before they can be linked. This is an inconvenience, but it seems to work. Or, the person working on it could buy it, do some work and then deed it back to the group.

Is there anything else I was supposed to notice?

Thanks,
Anna

Llauren Mandelbrot

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11-05-2006 10:06

Added prims have to be deeded to the group before they can be linked. This is an inconvenience, but it seems to work. Or, the person working on it could buy it, do some work and then deed it back to the group.This sounds entirely reasonable to me.Is there anything else I was supposed to notice?Have you tried editing the scripts and/or notecards within the objects? Have you even tried editing objects with scripts in them?

Permissions can be tricky. Permissions regarding group-owned objects can particularly tricky. Adding in a component with incorrectly set permissions can totaly and irreversably ruin the editability of the object.

Just always beware of what you are doing. Making backup copies often can`t hurt much, either.

From: Anna Gulaev

Thanks,
Anna

You`re welcome! Llauren.

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Group-owned objects: nobody can edit
Anna Gulaev Registered User Join date: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 154	11-02-2006 20:35 I have a house that I built on land that I eventually deeded to a group. I set the group for the house to the group and deeded it to the group. Now, nobody can edit it. Not me, the creator, not the group owner, not the group officers. Nobody. I can retract my "share with group" (and so can the group owner) but this does not make it available for editing. I can go into edit mode and it looks like I can move the whole thing, but if I select "edit linked parts" I can not edit linked parts. Trying to select parts of the object works like it does on objects I don't own. How do I get my house back? How can I make it available to anyone in the group to edit?
Llauren Mandelbrot Twenty-Four Weeks Old. Join date: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 665	11-02-2006 20:51 This is one of the gotchas I warned you about in Group Land. Have you tried to sell the house back to yourself?
Anna Gulaev Registered User Join date: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 154	11-02-2006 21:11 I'm sorry, I must be stupid. I do not see anything in the other thread that might have prevented this. The house was owned by the group, yet nobody in the group could edit its parts. Is that what "other issues with this scenario" means? Anyway, I did buy the house and it returned to my ownership. And, after a minute it was auto-returned to me. And, being a skybox, I once again found myself at 740 meters without a floor to stand on Is there no way that multiple members of a group can edit the same object? Of course it doesn't have to be simultaneously. I just want different memebers to be able to make contributions to the house as they are able.
Anna Gulaev Registered User Join date: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 154	11-02-2006 21:13 I should also add that once it returned to my ownership I was still unable to edit its parts.
Eva Tiramisu Registered User Join date: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 176	11-02-2006 22:44 Hi Anna The reason for this is that you didnt check the "next owner can modify" before you deeded it. A deeding to a group is the same as transferring to someone else. Even if you take it back, it will still be concidered transferred. There is nothing you can do know, next time though, remember to check that box first. And yeah, I learned that the hard way like you....
Anna Gulaev Registered User Join date: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 154	11-03-2006 04:54 Thanks, Eva, that worked!
Llauren Mandelbrot Twenty-Four Weeks Old. Join date: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 665	Various Problems 11-03-2006 06:43 From: Anna Gulaev I'm sorry, I must be stupid. I do not see anything in the other thread that might have prevented this. The house was owned by the group, yet nobody in the group could edit its parts. Is that what "other issues with this scenario" means? Yes. From: Anna Gulaev Anyway, I did buy the house and it returned to my ownership. And, after a minute it was auto-returned to me. And, being a skybox, I once again found myself at 740 meters without a floor to stand on Eep! I didn`t realize that your house wasn`t on the ground. [Then again, mine isn`t either.] From: Anna Gulaev Is there no way that multiple members of a group can edit the same object? Of course it doesn't have to be simultaneously. I just want different memebers to be able to make contributions to the house as they are able. I wasn`t aware of anything specific, besides Grant Modify Rights, which I have had problems with, until I read Eva`s post. As for still not being able to edit the house, that is less surprizing than than if you had regained the ability to edit it. I`m kinda sorry now that I suggested it. Meanwhile, I`m glad you got it figured out. There is another gotcha here, though. With a spare object you can ruin safely, try adding prims to a group-owned editable object. It likely will not work as expected.
Llauren Mandelbrot Twenty-Four Weeks Old. Join date: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 665	11-03-2006 06:45 Is that what "other issues with this scenario" means?Correction: Yes, in part. there are still other issues to beware of, including some I am not yet aware of myself. Basicaly, proceed with caution, whatever you do. I wish you luck!
Anna Gulaev Registered User Join date: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 154	11-03-2006 08:49 From: Llauren Mandelbrot With a spare object you can ruin safely, try adding prims to a group-owned editable object. It likely will not work as expected. I'll experiment with this. The house is something I can ruin because I have a copy of it, but perhaps a chair would be easier to re-place
Llauren Mandelbrot Twenty-Four Weeks Old. Join date: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 665	11-03-2006 09:13 I'll experiment with this. The house is something I can ruin because I have a copy of it, but perhaps a chair would be easier to re-place Excelent, but I was thinking rather that you practice on something rezed expressly for the experimentation. I.E., rez a copy of the chair, and mess with that, instead of messing with a chair that you already have there for use as a chair. Regardless, please report back with anything specific you find that you find to be unexpected. I`ll be glad to comment on your findings, as seen from my perspective. ::hugs::, Llauren.
Anna Gulaev Registered User Join date: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 154	11-05-2006 08:27 From: Llauren Mandelbrot There is another gotcha here, though. With a spare object you can ruin safely, try adding prims to a group-owned editable object. It likely will not work as expected. Okay, I tried it. Added prims have to be deeded to the group before they can be linked. This is an inconvenience, but it seems to work. Or, the person working on it could buy it, do some work and then deed it back to the group. Is there anything else I was supposed to notice? Thanks, Anna
Llauren Mandelbrot Twenty-Four Weeks Old. Join date: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 665	11-05-2006 10:06 Added prims have to be deeded to the group before they can be linked. This is an inconvenience, but it seems to work. Or, the person working on it could buy it, do some work and then deed it back to the group.This sounds entirely reasonable to me.Is there anything else I was supposed to notice?Have you tried editing the scripts and/or notecards within the objects? Have you even tried editing objects with scripts in them? Permissions can be tricky. Permissions regarding group-owned objects can particularly tricky. Adding in a component with incorrectly set permissions can totaly and irreversably ruin the editability of the object. Just always beware of what you are doing. Making backup copies often can`t hurt much, either. From: Anna Gulaev Thanks, Anna You`re welcome! Llauren. _____________________ ninjafoo Ng Says: November 4th, 2006 at 7:27 am We all love secondlife so much and were afraid that the magic will end, nothing this good can ever last…. can it?

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