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Rockwell Ginsberg

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02-07-2007 10:46

From: Cocoanut Koala

Location, location, location.

People will pay more for a piece of land they want because it is contiguous to land they already own than they will pay for a piece of land sitting somewhere else.

coco

You're not kidding - look at the Morkeleb sim at auction - over $12,000!!!!

Feras Nolan

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02-07-2007 11:33

From: Rockwell Ginsberg

You're not kidding - look at the Morkeleb sim at auction - over $12,000!!!!

Hum the funny part is its jumped from 4k to 12k, either someone got too much money, or well, I dont think even Anshe would throw out of the window 8k$, its a fake bid like we had already with the fake transactions to let the daily spent money ingame value on the home page go up insanely. I can just say LMAO.

Edit: and hm thats around 52L/sqm lol, selling for 60?

Learjeff Innis

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02-07-2007 12:35

From: bilbo99 Emu

hmm, not quite sure what stabilise, market and investments are doing in the same paragraph.
I always thought investments meant money for nothing, hence the old adage you need money to make money.

Take a macro economics course. Investments are NOT money for nothing. (Money for nothing is having an MT video!

)

Jeff

Cristalle Karami

Lady of the House

Join date: 4 Dec 2006

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02-07-2007 13:31

Honestly, the only thing that would really stop the madness is a cap on the amount of land one avatar can own. This is probably preferable to capping the price per meter, from the Lindens' standpoint. Of course this would be abused so long as LL doesn't police for illegal alts.... but theoretically, if people were limited to owning 3 or so mainland sims apiece (no limit on islands), it would definitely affect the market price and force the resellers to move their product before buying up more land and keeping the market rate as high as it is.

Desmond Shang

Guvnah of Caledon

Join date: 14 Mar 2005

Posts: 5,250

02-07-2007 14:15

There is no free market economy here. Never was one.

That's meant as a resident answer, about as solid as they come.

Think about it.

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Lincoln Lupino

Hats & Slats Maker

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02-07-2007 14:19

From: Curtis Conacher

Cuba has one of the best health care programmes in the world!

Ah, now I know we are being trolled.

Gordon Wendt

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02-07-2007 21:10

From: Lincoln Lupino

Ah, now I know we are being trolled.

You mean people are hiding under bridges and telling you that you can't cross it?

bilbo99 Emu

Garrett's No.1 fan

Join date: 27 Oct 2006

Posts: 3,468

02-08-2007 01:33

From: Cristalle Karami

Honestly, the only thing that would really stop the madness is a cap on the amount of land one avatar can own. This is probably preferable to capping the price per meter, from the Lindens' standpoint. Of course this would be abused so long as LL doesn't police for illegal alts.... but theoretically, if people were limited to owning 3 or so mainland sims apiece (no limit on islands), it would definitely affect the market price and force the resellers to move their product before buying up more land and keeping the market rate as high as it is.

Nice try Cristalle but what's stopping legal alts doing it? Each premium account gets that First Land option and they can create/join a group. Come to think of it .. what is an illegal alt? A non-premium one simply can't buy mainland?

Stephen Zenith

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02-08-2007 01:38

From: Cristalle Karami

Honestly, the only thing that would really stop the madness is a cap on the amount of land one avatar can own. This is probably preferable to capping the price per meter, from the Lindens' standpoint. Of course this would be abused so long as LL doesn't police for illegal alts.... but theoretically, if people were limited to owning 3 or so mainland sims apiece (no limit on islands), it would definitely affect the market price and force the resellers to move their product before buying up more land and keeping the market rate as high as it is.

What if it were deeded to a group? How would you set the limits for the group? Based on the number of members? The possibilities for abusing that are endless.

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Aaron Aldwych

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Join date: 26 Oct 2006

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Now I understand

02-08-2007 02:02

From: Gordon Wendt

You mean people are hiding under bridges and telling you that you can't cross it?

Gordon - thanks I have kept silent all this time because I just didn't know - now I am free.

I know what trolling is - thanks

bilbo99 Emu

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02-08-2007 02:06

I hate trolls ... but that's getting off-topic!

Gordon Wendt

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02-08-2007 19:22

From: bilbo99 Emu

I hate trolls ... but that's getting off-topic!

bigot, trolls are living creatures too.

Morwen Bunin

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02-09-2007 00:01

From: bilbo99 Emu

I hate trolls ... but that's getting off-topic!

And why is that, dear Bilbo? Because trolls like thier hobbits well done and with garlic?

Morwen

bilbo99 Emu

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02-09-2007 00:23

From: Morwen Bunin

And why is that, dear Bilbo? Because trolls like thier hobbits well done and with garlic?

Morwen

Pie Psaltery

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02-09-2007 06:55

I propose all land everywhere in the world be listed at the same price.
That farmland in Siberia be the same price as a condo in Manhattan.
Anything else is, of course, bonkers, because everyone knows its all just dirt anyway.

**giggles at free market economy**

Caps, limits, regulations, o my!
Freedom just doesnt sit well on some folks, huh?

And hobbits may be tasty with garlic but trolls are best fried crispy.

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Atashi Toshihiko

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Join date: 7 Dec 2006

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02-09-2007 08:41

From: Pie Psaltery

I propose all land everywhere in the world be listed at the same price.
That farmland in Siberia be the same price as a condo in Manhattan.
Anything else is, of course, bonkers, because everyone knows its all just dirt anyway.

Tee hee! That's actually quite brilliant! My Siberian ice-farming friends will be absolutely giddy to know their windswept plains are worth millions of dollars, just like the Manhattan condos.

That's what you meant, right? Everything equally expensive? *just funnin*

Back on topic though, I see in the blog post about world metrics, mention of more increases in available land are planned. As a consumer I do hope that the prices come down lower.

Personally, I see the monthly tier as a much bigger obstacle to land ownership than the one-time purchase price. Using a RL analogy of buying property and paying property taxes, the 'taxes' in SL are incredibly high. I also find the 'steps' to be a bit unfriendly, i.e. even if you are only 1 or 2m over a tier level, you have to pay full tier at the next level, so you're paying tier on land you do not own.

The system seems geared to be friendly either for the very small (i.e the 512 tier you get free with premium) or the very large, where you get the best rate at the whole-sim level. In-between, if you aren't exactly at a maximum tier level, they have you paying tier for land you don't own.

If I wanted to complain about unfairness, that's where I'd focus. Maybe make it just a percentage or calculation based on the number of m you have, rather than bumping up to the next highest level when you go over a point.

-Atashi

Colette Meiji

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Join date: 25 Mar 2005

Posts: 15,556

02-09-2007 08:45

From: Pie Psaltery

I propose all land everywhere in the world be listed at the same price.
That farmland in Siberia be the same price as a condo in Manhattan.
Anything else is, of course, bonkers, because everyone knows its all just dirt anyway.

**giggles at free market economy**

Caps, limits, regulations, o my!
Freedom just doesnt sit well on some folks, huh?

And hobbits may be tasty with garlic but trolls are best fried crispy.

'

I like this idea - im gonna trade my stupid laggy land in Ohio for something in Hawaii.

Thanks =)

(ohh btw totally - heyas Pie , been a long time)

----- Ohh the OP can fix all these land woes - they can buy up all this overpriced land at market prices and SELL it all for $1L/meter

Power to the people and all that.

Mainland Pricing is BONKERS!!
Rockwell Ginsberg Boss Join date: 3 Oct 2006 Posts: 560	02-07-2007 10:46 From: Cocoanut Koala Location, location, location. People will pay more for a piece of land they want because it is contiguous to land they already own than they will pay for a piece of land sitting somewhere else. coco You're not kidding - look at the Morkeleb sim at auction - over $12,000!!!!
Feras Nolan Registered User Join date: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 141	02-07-2007 11:33 From: Rockwell Ginsberg You're not kidding - look at the Morkeleb sim at auction - over $12,000!!!! Hum the funny part is its jumped from 4k to 12k, either someone got too much money, or well, I dont think even Anshe would throw out of the window 8k$, its a fake bid like we had already with the fake transactions to let the daily spent money ingame value on the home page go up insanely. I can just say LMAO. Edit: and hm thats around 52L/sqm lol, selling for 60?
Learjeff Innis musician & coder Join date: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 817	02-07-2007 12:35 From: bilbo99 Emu hmm, not quite sure what stabilise, market and investments are doing in the same paragraph. I always thought investments meant money for nothing, hence the old adage you need money to make money. Take a macro economics course. Investments are NOT money for nothing. (Money for nothing is having an MT video! ) Jeff
Cristalle Karami Lady of the House Join date: 4 Dec 2006 Posts: 6,222	02-07-2007 13:31 Honestly, the only thing that would really stop the madness is a cap on the amount of land one avatar can own. This is probably preferable to capping the price per meter, from the Lindens' standpoint. Of course this would be abused so long as LL doesn't police for illegal alts.... but theoretically, if people were limited to owning 3 or so mainland sims apiece (no limit on islands), it would definitely affect the market price and force the resellers to move their product before buying up more land and keeping the market rate as high as it is.
Desmond Shang Guvnah of Caledon Join date: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 5,250	02-07-2007 14:15 There is no free market economy here. Never was one. That's meant as a resident answer, about as solid as they come. Think about it. _____________________ Steampunk Victorian, Well-Mannered Caledon!
Lincoln Lupino Hats & Slats Maker Join date: 3 Dec 2006 Posts: 122	02-07-2007 14:19 From: Curtis Conacher Cuba has one of the best health care programmes in the world! Ah, now I know we are being trolled.
Gordon Wendt 404 - User not found Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 1,024	02-07-2007 21:10 From: Lincoln Lupino Ah, now I know we are being trolled. You mean people are hiding under bridges and telling you that you can't cross it?
bilbo99 Emu Garrett's No.1 fan Join date: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,468	02-08-2007 01:33 From: Cristalle Karami Honestly, the only thing that would really stop the madness is a cap on the amount of land one avatar can own. This is probably preferable to capping the price per meter, from the Lindens' standpoint. Of course this would be abused so long as LL doesn't police for illegal alts.... but theoretically, if people were limited to owning 3 or so mainland sims apiece (no limit on islands), it would definitely affect the market price and force the resellers to move their product before buying up more land and keeping the market rate as high as it is. Nice try Cristalle but what's stopping legal alts doing it? Each premium account gets that First Land option and they can create/join a group. Come to think of it .. what is an illegal alt? A non-premium one simply can't buy mainland?
Stephen Zenith Registered User Join date: 15 May 2006 Posts: 1,029	02-08-2007 01:38 From: Cristalle Karami Honestly, the only thing that would really stop the madness is a cap on the amount of land one avatar can own. This is probably preferable to capping the price per meter, from the Lindens' standpoint. Of course this would be abused so long as LL doesn't police for illegal alts.... but theoretically, if people were limited to owning 3 or so mainland sims apiece (no limit on islands), it would definitely affect the market price and force the resellers to move their product before buying up more land and keeping the market rate as high as it is. What if it were deeded to a group? How would you set the limits for the group? Based on the number of members? The possibilities for abusing that are endless. _____________________
Aaron Aldwych Silver Surfer Join date: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 55	Now I understand 02-08-2007 02:02 From: Gordon Wendt You mean people are hiding under bridges and telling you that you can't cross it? Gordon - thanks I have kept silent all this time because I just didn't know - now I am free. I know what trolling is - thanks
bilbo99 Emu Garrett's No.1 fan Join date: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,468	02-08-2007 02:06 I hate trolls ... but that's getting off-topic!
Gordon Wendt 404 - User not found Join date: 10 May 2006 Posts: 1,024	02-08-2007 19:22 From: bilbo99 Emu I hate trolls ... but that's getting off-topic! bigot, trolls are living creatures too.
Morwen Bunin Everybody needs a hero! Join date: 8 Dec 2005 Posts: 1,743	02-09-2007 00:01 From: bilbo99 Emu I hate trolls ... but that's getting off-topic! And why is that, dear Bilbo? Because trolls like thier hobbits well done and with garlic? Morwen
bilbo99 Emu Garrett's No.1 fan Join date: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,468	02-09-2007 00:23 From: Morwen Bunin And why is that, dear Bilbo? Because trolls like thier hobbits well done and with garlic? Morwen <whimper>
Pie Psaltery runs w/scissors Join date: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 987	02-09-2007 06:55 I propose all land everywhere in the world be listed at the same price. That farmland in Siberia be the same price as a condo in Manhattan. Anything else is, of course, bonkers, because everyone knows its all just dirt anyway. giggles at free market economy Caps, limits, regulations, o my! Freedom just doesnt sit well on some folks, huh? And hobbits may be tasty with garlic but trolls are best fried crispy. _____________________
Atashi Toshihiko Frequently Befuddled Join date: 7 Dec 2006 Posts: 1,423	02-09-2007 08:41 From: Pie Psaltery I propose all land everywhere in the world be listed at the same price. That farmland in Siberia be the same price as a condo in Manhattan. Anything else is, of course, bonkers, because everyone knows its all just dirt anyway. Tee hee! That's actually quite brilliant! My Siberian ice-farming friends will be absolutely giddy to know their windswept plains are worth millions of dollars, just like the Manhattan condos. That's what you meant, right? Everything equally expensive? just funnin Back on topic though, I see in the blog post about world metrics, mention of more increases in available land are planned. As a consumer I do hope that the prices come down lower. Personally, I see the monthly tier as a much bigger obstacle to land ownership than the one-time purchase price. Using a RL analogy of buying property and paying property taxes, the 'taxes' in SL are incredibly high. I also find the 'steps' to be a bit unfriendly, i.e. even if you are only 1 or 2m over a tier level, you have to pay full tier at the next level, so you're paying tier on land you do not own. The system seems geared to be friendly either for the very small (i.e the 512 tier you get free with premium) or the very large, where you get the best rate at the whole-sim level. In-between, if you aren't exactly at a maximum tier level, they have you paying tier for land you don't own. If I wanted to complain about unfairness, that's where I'd focus. Maybe make it just a percentage or calculation based on the number of m you have, rather than bumping up to the next highest level when you go over a point. -Atashi
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	02-09-2007 08:45 From: Pie Psaltery I propose all land everywhere in the world be listed at the same price. That farmland in Siberia be the same price as a condo in Manhattan. Anything else is, of course, bonkers, because everyone knows its all just dirt anyway. giggles at free market economy Caps, limits, regulations, o my! Freedom just doesnt sit well on some folks, huh? And hobbits may be tasty with garlic but trolls are best fried crispy. ' I like this idea - im gonna trade my stupid laggy land in Ohio for something in Hawaii. Thanks =) (ohh btw totally - heyas Pie , been a long time) ----- Ohh the OP can fix all these land woes - they can buy up all this overpriced land at market prices and SELL it all for $1L/meter Power to the people and all that.

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