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Alt Question - Do LL take notice of an IP address?

Sling Trebuchet
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06-21-2007 04:10
From: AWM Mars
Hardware profiling is a unique way of identifying a system, Microsoft have been doing it for years, change 'too' many components and XP requires re-registering. A problem I have encountered many times, when changing modems, GC, HD's etc when upgrading/changing my systems.

However, if you are a greifer who's intent is to rob people of their money, whether for fun, notoriety or actual monetary gain, maybe willing to 'alter' their hardware profile to continue their exploits.


While hardware profiling and/or IP banning can be worked around, the process is non-trivial. Nothing is going to stop a determined blackhat who is prepared to give it time.

The benefit of banning a serial griefer's hardware/IP profile is that the low-level script kiddies would have obstacles put in their way. Right now, there is no obstacle. IF (big unknown IF) their current alt gets banned for griefing, they can immediately create another.

If the volume of script-kiddie griefers were reduced then the activities of 'better class' (?) griefers would be easier to detect and deal with.


{LIGHTBULB - Duh!}
Right now, there's a ding-dong going in the Blog.
LL are trying to reduce the load on Live Chat support by making it difficult for residents to get to the Live Chat link.
If they put some effort into making it difficult for serial griefers to get access, then they might reduce to load on everyone - themselves included.

Brilliant! Premium Paying customers have to jump through hoops while attempting to resolve issues. Freebie serial griefers have an open door to create issues.
{/LIGHTBULB - Duh!}





From: AWM Mars

It begs the question what happens if you buy a 2nd hand system from say ebay, or even maybe substantial components, are you in danger of being banned from SL by default?



Realistically, what are the chances of buying a machine that has been banned from SL?
If it did happen I can see that it would be a pain.
(Enter negativity mode.....)
1) There probably wouldn't be any message from LL giving the reason for the lack of connection
2) Even if there were such a message, your chances of contacting LL to get it resolved appear to be slim.


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06-21-2007 04:25
From: Morwen Bunin
I am no very technical.... but hardware profiling? How does my Dell computer look different from the other one that is sold in the same line? I mean hardware is hardware? Or do I say something stupid now?
Many of the components inside have unique serial numbers. You can get the serial number of a hard disk using Windows API commands for example. The hash is computed from that kind of thing.
Francesca Alva
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06-21-2007 04:56
From: Sling Trebuchet
Your network card has a unique ID. (Nobody say "MAC" pls, or confusion will ensue :)



MAC! MAC! MAC! You're right - I'm confused. Isn't this thread broadly offensive to Mac users? LOL Or do you mean that number you have to get from your old Broadband provider to give to your new one?
Conan Godwin
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06-21-2007 05:26
From: Rhiannon Rossini
Hi :)

I was wondering whether if someone gets banned/suspended from the game or from someones land does that mean that they can just set up an alt account to get around it?

I suspect they can do that to get around a ban on someones land in world - in that case is it a matter of alt abuse?

I really think thought that if someone is banned or suspended from SL in general then there should be a block on their IP address? Is this the case?

Many thanks,
Rhia x


I doubt it. LL would effectively be banning more than one person per household using SL, which hardly seems fair. All this will do is prevent multiple people using the same pc to access sl.
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Conan Godwin
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06-21-2007 05:28
From: Francesca Alva
MAC! MAC! MAC! You're right - I'm confused. Isn't this thread broadly offensive to Mac users? LOL Or do you mean that number you have to get from your old Broadband provider to give to your new one?


I think you've misunderstood what broadly offensive means. It means that something is offensive to the majority of people - it's a contradiction in terms for something to be broadly offensive to a minority of people.

Besides, who cares what stoopid mac users think ;)
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hateful much? dude, that was low. die.

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Mickey James
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06-21-2007 05:43
Hardware ID won't stop people who can access SL from more than one computer (say, a home machine and a school or work machine.) Etc. etc.

No matter what measures LL takes, at least some people will find ways to get in and cause trouble anyway. Linden Lab should do all they can of course, but I think griefers are like spam and viruses and phishers .. unavoidable. There are some legitimate reasons people have alts, and there are cases (as was mentioned earlier, schools and companies) where IP banning would block a lot of legitimate users in a possibly futile effort to stop one griefer.

So, I run an antivirus program on the computer and I set autoreturn on my SL lands. I have a pretty effective spam filter, and my SL home has a security orb to boot unauthorized people away. I don't consider that unreasonable.
Francesca Alva
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06-21-2007 05:53
From: Conan Godwin
I think you've misunderstood what broadly offensive means. It means that something is offensive to the majority of people - it's a contradiction in terms for something to be broadly offensive to a minority of people.


Please, please, we prefer the term "elite". And all right then - I find this post narrowly offensive.

From: Conan Godwin
Besides, who cares what stoopid mac users think ;)


Steve Jobs? :)
Thru Lane
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06-24-2007 11:07
Maybe this explains the registration issues at the college that I work for? We're about to establish a presence in SL and have been suggesting to various people in our department that they create an account. But many of them are getting the error message that they already have too many accounts. Since we're basically all using the same IP address, maybe this is what's causing the problem?

If that's the case... geez, what a pain in the ass. Does this mean I have to call the Lindens and wait on hold for a day?
Colette Meiji
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06-24-2007 11:27
From: Thru Lane
Maybe this explains the registration issues at the college that I work for? We're about to establish a presence in SL and have been suggesting to various people in our department that they create an account. But many of them are getting the error message that they already have too many accounts. Since we're basically all using the same IP address, maybe this is what's causing the problem?

If that's the case... geez, what a pain in the ass. Does this mean I have to call the Lindens and wait on hold for a day?



Unless you own a sim/island worth of land - I dont think you can call them any more.

Theres live help though through the support page. I imagine they can fix a problem like this.
Colette Meiji
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06-24-2007 11:28
From: Conan Godwin
I think you've misunderstood what broadly offensive means. It means that something is offensive to the majority of people - it's a contradiction in terms for something to be broadly offensive to a minority of people.


someone should esplain that to Dan L.
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