my land was stolen

No there won't be threads of people complaining they set it for 101L$ and had it snatched.

People instinctively use either 0L$ or 1L$ when trying a land transfer.
If LL made it safe for numbers <= 10L$ I can guarantee there will be less threads of people making the mistake when they were trying to transfer the land to an individual and forgot to set it to just one individual.

A much safer system would be not allow transactions below 5 L$/sqm unless to a specified individual, and allow that number to be altered in edit - preferences.

A far better idea would be to implement open land buy orders the same way they did with LindeX, so that anyone could have a "bot" working for them. It would reduce database load a great deal too, because the system would be part of the database anyway and wouldn't have to poll for updates. Best of all, when someone was about to sell land to "Anyone", the system could tell them in advance who it would be sold to and for how much.

I can see the new complaints now: "What happened to freedom of choice?", "Why can't I set it to sell for 1L$, it's my decision!", "stupid Lindens messed the system up again, I can't sell land for 50L$". While working live help I have receive at least one help request, about having to specify who to sell the land to, they didn't remember how to spell the AV name and just wanted to be there when the person decides to show up and buy it! The system can be made safe for- only allow sells through approved 3rd party sellers( virtual real estate agents), put purchases in escrow, etc. but really where should the line be drawed?

Yes because getting 100L is way better than getting 1L for yoru 5k land.

Instead, the default should be set to sell to a specific person and pop up the name list as normal, if you want to sell to "anyone" you have some hoops to jump through, instead of the opposite which it is at now.

Actually, given that when you 'sale/gift' something in RL, namely a deed/title changing hands, I don't think you can do it for 0 USD. If I remember correctly, you have to 'sell' it for a dollar for the exchange to go through paperwork-wise. Phrase, "For one dollar in consideration," I think is what I was told to use. But, hey, it's been nearly 14 years since I had that class, so I might be wrong. But if I'm not this may explain some of the 1L sales for land and such. Or at least the same mentality.

Thats not the point.

The point is that what people do is set the land to anyone for 1L then the person they know standing next to them attempts to buy it - this is a common method to transfering land.

The figure they are safe becuase no one else is around. They assume that everyone who buys land has to use the same process they do.

Then they get swooped.

By not listing anything less than 100L these transfers would go un-noticed by swoopers - Bot or Human.

So you want to sell your land at 7500. You tick for sale, you type 750 and before you get the last 0 (assuming you get there and not miss a 0), a bot swoops in.

Much easier to simply have an apply button, or a tick box to set the land visible in search.
This would also cover sales to friends for a reduced price that doesn't fall under the 100 L$ coverage.
My neighbour offered me his old land at 2k below the average rate for the sim, should he be left out of the protection becuase he's not selling to me at 1L$?

I've sold about 10 parcels, and it simply does not work that way (at least every time I've done it). You get a full screen to (1) set the price, (2) choose who to sell it to, and (3) state whether objects are included. You click "OK" and then I'm pretty sure another screen comes up asking if you are really sure you want to sell it to "anyone" for X dollars. Only after that is the land actually set for sale.



There is already a feature in place that let's you sell land to the person of your choice for any amount you choose. Maybe instead of creating yet another feature, the focus should be on educating people about the security feature already in place.

the escrow system sounds fair if optional in case someone don't like it. If the option is here but they choose not to use it, and lose their land it's kinda their own fault. Selling for 0 should be disabled and replaced with a (give land to resident) option though...

Make it not so complicated. This a badly coded gameweakness that profits from the inexperience of the user and the instability of SL. Prevent it so like if you're setting up a contract in RL. I dunno why SL has this not?!

=> "Seller" sets land for sale
=> "Buyer A" clicks it as first to buy it
=> "Seller" gets a message that Buyer A wants to buy that.
=> He/She now has to confirm that within one week else it's rejected

Option A
=> "Seller" confirms
=> Land is sold

Option B
=> "Seller" declines or does nothing
=> Land is not sold

Option C
=> "Buyer A" don't wanna buy it anymore
=> Therefor he/she shall be able to withdraw the offer befor the seller confirms.

Option D
=> Seller can set in Landoptions to Autoconfirm.

This surely a few more stepes to do. But for landsales is this no doctoring around. A bot can not buy it as long as there is no (auto)confirm. And furthermore can Linden add allow options like give land to ... etc.

This is the problem.. if the seller loses nothing, then unscrupulous sellers can just annoy others by putting up parcels at bargain prices and then refusing the sale. For example, your competitor is selling a 512 in a sim.. you own several other bits of land near to it.. you put them all up for sale cheap and then refuse all the sales, so that their 512 is perpetually "next to land for sale" which lowers its value because anyone could move in there.

For the first time, I do agree with a point made on a Land Bot thread. Forcing 1L sales not to be set anyone is a good idea. It is already done with 0L trades, so why not 1L. Any other hoops or limits I would be firmly against. To quote Douglas Adams, "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."

It sounds like the land was set for a low price and a Bot or land dealer came in and took it. Unfortunatly for you, this move is very legal and nothing can really be done about it, the most you can do is ask for it back nicely.

That can't happen, you'd have time to put in all the 00's, since it's not a sale until you confirm the price and press Okay, after many times of asking, "ARE YOU SURE!?!"

What a wonderful Bon Mots.

I'm with Sys on this one - there's a lot LL can do to help, but really atleast half of the blame needs to rest with the sellers who need to just slow down a little instead of clicking every button they see. Popups are there to be read.

I lost L$290,000 worth of land to a BOT 'cause I was stupid and missed off a zero on the re-sale. After getting angry with myself for being so stupid I contacted the bot owner through his group. Within 6 hours the land was set back for sale to me at the price he bought it for. (Lucky, it hadn't been re-sold in that time). Don't assume that if you make an error it can't be fixed.

As an aside. Someone in this thread mentioned that no-one would underprice land deliberatly. Hehe. I did as I had a 512 in the worst region in SL that I could never get into and had a 512 up for sale for months. It was a nightmare location. I considered giving it as 'first land' but couldn't bring myself to burden anyone with it...So, I set it for sale at L$5500 to see if a BOT would grab it..No.. L$5250..No. L$5000 yes it was snapped up by a BOT. In fact, I was surounded by alts all wanting to grab it. I see it's on the market now at L$5088 and has been for 3 weeks as no-one can ever get into that sim. Ahh revenge is sweet

Right, and in Player Vs Player combat in World of Warcraft the more experienced player profits from the newer players inexperience. That doesn't make it wrong. Experience is a costly resource that is bought at a high price - and those who have taken pains to acquire it have the right to exploit it.

Blocking Land that way costs Time and Tier, i see no point where you annoy someone beside yourself. If you look a bit closer i wrote in option D. => Set up autoconfirm, do this if that happens. It prevents at least that someone get's easily frauded from bots, they are just scripts that success from the fact that Land is sold "immediatly".


Not really if you abuse in WOW a gameweakness you're banned.