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Sales STILL down. No idea why...

Brenda Connolly
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04-02-2007 06:57
Could it be , possibly that the infux of new residents who are of the
Not spend my own money" club, and the rest of us are just getting shopped out?
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Tyci Kenzo
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04-02-2007 07:09
From: Porky Gorky
Selling anything with copy/tran permissions is not a good idea. Anyone could take your houses and start reselling them in bulk. Should be either copy or transfer but not both IMO.


sorry i meant i sell them copy/mod not enough coffee yet lol
Yiffy Yaffle
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04-02-2007 07:13
I usually bring in about 2-3k per week with my wares, but as of the last week i don't bring in anything. Even on SLX. Something is wrong. O.o Also unless everyone deleted their config settings files i don't see how their mature checkbox should be unchecked. Mine is still checked. O.o
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Persephone Milk
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04-02-2007 07:42
From: Paulo Dielli
I understand Sindy, but with my newly placed classified I managed to get about the same ranking in Search (All and Places) with Mature unchecked. And precisely that puzzles me so. Would it be just the difference between a little blue house before my land name or a SL-logo? I really don't get it.
Just curious Paulo ... how did you manage to get the same ranking in Places search? Do you own your own sim, and were able to change the rating to PG? Or did you move your store to a PG sim? I ask because maybe your solution to this problem is having an impact on your sales too.

My sales are still down, but they beginning to approach normal levels. Of course, I am one of the lucky people that was able to quickly change the rating on their sim to PG to solve the problem. I really sympathize with people who have stores stuck in a mature sim.

I was really surprised how few of my customers come to my store from my classified ad. Something like 80% of my customers are coming to me from my parcel directory listing and not from my classified. I spent some time in my store this weekend and asked people how they got there. A very large percentage said "Oh, I never use classifieds." I guess that explains why this small change had such a huge impact on sales.
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Jonathan Mulberry
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04-02-2007 07:50
From: Yiffy Yaffle
I usually bring in about 2-3k per week with my wares, but as of the last week i don't bring in anything. Even on SLX. Something is wrong. O.o Also unless everyone deleted their config settings files i don't see how their mature checkbox should be unchecked. Mine is still checked. O.o


I was exactly the same Yiffy... usually 2-4k per week made up from in-store, SLE & SLB sales.... last week nothing. This week though, already broken the 2.5k mark in 3 days, so I don't understand what happened.

Oh well... so long I get enough L$ to have some fun I don't really mind.
Rhys Goode
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04-02-2007 09:39
I can tell you why I didn't buy anything this weekend: It took too long for textures to rez in, and I can't buy what I can't see.

So I went up on my sky platform and tried to do some work, but it took forever for textures to rez in, so that didn't work out too well.

So, I went to a club and did some dancing. Happily, that still worked. :)
Brenda Connolly
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04-02-2007 09:48
From: Rhys Goode
I can tell you why I didn't buy anything this weekend: It took too long for textures to rez in, and I can't buy what I can't see.

So I went up on my sky platform and tried to do some work, but it took forever for textures to rez in, so that didn't work out too well.

So, I went to a club and did some dancing. Happily, that still worked. :)

True. Since the new viewer rollout, shopping has beena challence with rezzing and the transactions timing out.
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Amity Slade
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04-02-2007 10:17
Check what is happening with new user numbers. They have to cap out some time. There will be a lag between new user slowdown and new business slowdown, and during that lag, everyone is going to have slow sales numbers with a surplus of supply vs. demand.

New people are also going to be discouraged by technical problems and not stay, or at least not invest more money.

Plus, new people are going to spend more in the first month or so, and then slow down. Because they have bought everything they really need. Even I can get to the point at which I have enough outfits to last me for a while. In my first month, I was buying to stock a closet, and actively looking for products. Now, my closet is stocked. I may check out new stores, and I'll buy something that really catches my eye.

I'm also more careful when buying now because I've bought enough bad products to kill my impulse-buying habit.

I'm also finding more value in scripted gadgets than clothes now that I've been around a while. The things that interest me are much more expensive than the clothes I was buying, so I'm taking much more care to research first before buying.

When it comes to permissions, I'm curious as to why more people don't offer options with permission sets. Tinkerers are going to prefer mod. and copy rights over transfer. Non-tinkerers would prefer transfer over mod. and copy. The big advantage of transfer is the ability to re-sell the item once one no longer wants it, so I can get some Lindens back when I get tired of it or don't need it anymore. There have been quite a few products that I would have liked to buy, but I didn't because I didn't like the permission set up- either preferring copy and mod to transfer (often for clothes) or preferring transfer to copy and mod (more for gadgets). Since the difference between those two sets is more about customer preference than merchant protection (it's only the combination of tranfer with either mod or copy or both that presents a problem), why not offer the customer a choice?

Tax time and spring break could explain why those from the U.S. might be spending less, as has been suggested before.

I think that mature-button is the least likely culprit. It really doesn't take too long to figure out that it isn't checked. It takes minutes rather than days.
Raymond Figtree
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04-02-2007 12:02
I agree. We did not hit 40k again concurrent online residents this past weekend. We may have peaked, at least for now as far as population goes.

I am glad LL is not going gung ho with PR or promotion right now until they get the performance issues under control. It's a lot harder to get a new person to come back once they have a bad first experience with a product. Maybe LL has realized they are losing a lot of folks that they might have kept if the grid was working better.

To that same point, when you can't tp or move and things aren't rezzing, you don't really feel like going on a shopping spree.
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Colette Meiji
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04-02-2007 12:06
From: Raymond Figtree
I agree. We did not hit 40k again concurrent online residents this past weekend. We may have peaked, at least for now as far as population goes.
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Doubt weve peaked.

My guess is its just harder to Log in and stay logged in at the high 30's right now.

Lot of people who are logged on are afk campers. When theres significant rolling restarts , thousands of people get kicked offline w/o knowing they need to log back in to earn 1L every 10 minutes or W/E.
Paulo Dielli
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04-02-2007 16:03
From: Persephone Milk
Just curious Paulo ... how did you manage to get the same ranking in Places search?

(...)

I was really surprised how few of my customers come to my store from my classified ad. Something like 80% of my customers are coming to me from my parcel directory listing and not from my classified.
Oh no Persephone, I didn't explain myself well enough. I'm not talking about the Places search, just the All search where my new classified shows up.

As for the benefit of classifieds:

First I think that nobody uses the classified-tab search, have no idea why that search option is there (unless for creating a classified). But placing a classified makes a shop also show up in the All search. For me that is the only way to get listed in the search results when the Mature checkbox is off, because my shop is on Mature Mainland. Before that, I have the impression that business was better because somehow a parcel listing (the little blue house) is more outstanding than a classified listing (SL-logo). Just a hunch, but I really think that.
Jopsy Pendragon
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04-02-2007 16:45
Welcome to the natural online lull that occurs between "Furnace Season" and "Air Conditioning Season".

Folks are sick of being cooped up indoors, holding their shivvering hands up to a warm monitor all winter.

They may not be outdoors... after all, in the spring a young man's fancy turns to thoughts of... slightly more tangible expressions of love. ;)
Paulo Dielli
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04-02-2007 19:13
Haha, you might be spot on there.... :)
Shep Korvin
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04-03-2007 05:47
From: Paulo Dielli
I have the impression that business was better because somehow a parcel listing (the little blue house) is more outstanding than a classified listing (SL-logo). Just a hunch, but I really think that.


The little blue house shows the location that you've currently got set as your home. Nobody else sees that. ;)
Porky Gorky
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04-03-2007 05:52
The sim im located in is running allot smother the last few days and my sales for mon/tue of this week seem to be back to usual. Add to that I have now moved my store into the sky to reduce lag I can safely say my downturn in sales after last weeks update was mainly caused by grid/sim performance issues, rather than the mature checkbox issue.
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Maggie McArdle
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Reasons why sales are down........
04-03-2007 06:03
1) Tax Season
2) Spring Break
3)Technical Difficulties
4)"Competitor" prolly undercut your prices
5)SL economics
6) it's a Bear Market now
7)Freebies!!
8)Many are learning create thier own designs
9)there is no 9
10)Prices(see#4)


im just guessing, however in the posts im seeing, it seems its a challenge for many to put a check mark in the mature search. umm pardon me for playing devils advocate, but its not the update. common sense should dictate to check the mature box on the search page.

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Wilhelm Neumann
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04-03-2007 07:23
Why would you check mature when searching for pants or a house unless you were in the game for a loong time and realized that land was mostly mature.

Also today search is borked up again one minute i find things next minute I don't. There is an issue sometimes were a listing even though its not there 5 times appears 5 times I got an entire page of a single listing from one store and tried typing in another word and got a similar result with that.

Anyhow for me sales seem about where they were before whatever is that brought them to a full stop. except today I notice there is no one around and so i type in my business name and its not there yet the ads are placed and even the lot is not appearing so yeah its more then one thing but usualy the search issues get solved fast and dont last for 3 days ..

This last stint was 3 days long which is why I think people kinda noticed hehe
Wilhelm Neumann
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04-03-2007 07:25
From: Raymond Figtree
I agree. We did not hit 40k again concurrent online residents this past weekend. We may have peaked, at least for now as far as population goes.

I am glad LL is not going gung ho with PR or promotion right now until they get the performance issues under control. It's a lot harder to get a new person to come back once they have a bad first experience with a product. Maybe LL has realized they are losing a lot of folks that they might have kept if the grid was working better.

To that same point, when you can't tp or move and things aren't rezzing, you don't really feel like going on a shopping spree.



This weekend my hair got stuck to my butt alond with my boots and everything else I had to switch to an avatar with no prim hair and go barefoot and it took me all day to change skins hehe because of whatever was going on this time
Virrginia Tombola
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04-03-2007 10:57
Hmmmm......

Well, this may or may not be an issue, but my sales went down about (roughly) 30-40% this week. I had been doing good business as I opened a new shop next to a telehub in a popular sim, but even that shop's sales diminished about mid week. So I was a bit disconcerted. Oddly, my SLEx figures went up, when before I barely sold one or two items there a day.

Yesterday, I received an IM from a would be customer who had been forced to look my outfit up on the SLEx. It seems that the vendor wasn't dispensing. Upon check, the one prim vendor (and over half in the shop) had reverted to "touch-grab" (vs. buy) and the "for sale" box had unchecked itself.

I send the customer a thank you gift, and spent yesterday evening running around my shops fixing vendors. You might want to check all yours, too.
Colette Meiji
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04-03-2007 11:04
Looks like commas on the end of keywords no longer functions correctly either. This could be cuasing further sales lost
Raymond Figtree
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04-03-2007 11:07
From: Colette Meiji
Looks like commas on the end of keywords no longer functions correctly either. This could be cuasing further sales lost


Wouldn't that be wild if punctuation was the cause of this new depression?!!!,,,,!!!
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04-03-2007 13:11
From: Wilhelm Neumann
Why would you check mature when searching for pants or a house unless you were in the game for a loong time and realized that land was mostly mature.

Also today search is borked up again one minute i find things next minute I don't. There is an issue sometimes were a listing even though its not there 5 times appears 5 times I got an entire page of a single listing from one store and tried typing in another word and got a similar result with that.

Anyhow for me sales seem about where they were before whatever is that brought them to a full stop. except today I notice there is no one around and so i type in my business name and its not there yet the ads are placed and even the lot is not appearing so yeah its more then one thing but usualy the search issues get solved fast and dont last for 3 days ..

This last stint was 3 days long which is why I think people kinda noticed hehe



some of the stores(at least where i shop) due to mature content) ie silks, collars, intimate apparel) end up under mature seaches beacause the are on mature land. as well as some sellers of houses because many tend to locate thier buisness where they live which may or may not be a mature sim. and search has been borked for months, that why i like landmarks. since i have always had slow rezzing issues i think its a matter of paitience on the shoppers part, not the sellers. relax once everyone gets thier fill of fresh air and it makes them sick sales will go up.
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Nyoko Salome
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04-03-2007 14:49
From: Colette Meiji
Looks like commas on the end of keywords no longer functions correctly either. This could be cuasing further sales lost


:\ they used to huh?? that's what i thought... i did some keyword tuning over the weekend and found commas to not be needed (which actually is a little benefit for extra characters...)

search terms for sl inworld classified seems to eschew the usual comma-delimited standard, but will still need an 'in-line' combination of words; for example i am now using:

bodyoil babyoil body oil baby oil suntan lotion tanning lotion tanlines tan lines teeny bikini bikinis AOrta

as my land description. although i wish i could only include 'oil' once to count for both searches for 'body oil' and 'baby oil', i must include both whole phrases with spaces intact to be found in a potential customer search. (+ counting 'include mature listings' checked on :|
)

i posted this originally at /142/4f/174373/1.html

... p.s. thing is, if they used to support comma-delimeted, did it support 'recombination' searches?? i.e. i could have then just listed 'body baby oil' and a search for 'body oil' would have come out correct? there's certainly cases where that would conserve more characters than commas would use up, but i dunno...

insisting upon exact word combos may save them some computational back-end for searches. and further giving them benefit of the doubt, if say for example, someone searched for 'oil change body work' (lol say for their virtual vehicle;) i would not want to take up space in their search.

of course now they would have to be looking for a -mature- oil change.;) hmmm, i smell a whole new prono idea!!:)
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Wilhelm Neumann
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04-03-2007 14:57
From: Maggie McArdle
relax once everyone gets thier fill of fresh air and it makes them sick sales will go up.



I wish the sun would shine more here i'm getting moldy I want to go clean up the mess left after a long winter

ah well soon enough i guess then i likely wont mind so much hehe :)
Maggie McArdle
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04-03-2007 16:34
From: Wilhelm Neumann
I wish the sun would shine more here i'm getting moldy I want to go clean up the mess left after a long winter

ah well soon enough i guess then i likely wont mind so much hehe :)



lol nope, and where do You live that the sun doesnt shine that often?
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