Okay - so how PG is PG?
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Colette Meiji
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03-30-2007 22:20
I am faced with the daunting prospect of reshooting my vendors -
How much skin can I show before the Disneyphiles are allowed to report me for violating?
Im in the shape business so I need to show the figure and that looks best in a skin not a bodysuit.
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tristan Eliot
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03-30-2007 22:22
they blur nipples on television. maybe those standards would fly. *shrugs*
But this might be a question for a Linden.
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VooDoo Bamboo
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03-30-2007 22:26
I really don't think anyone is going to "violate" you unless you claim in a classified ad "free kittens" and they get there and see you naked. If your ad says skins I think most people know what they are going to see then.
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Morwen Bunin
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03-30-2007 22:53
From: tristan Eliot they blur nipples on television. maybe those standards would fly. *shrugs*
Which is indeed silly... one visit to a beach here on a sunny day and you see a lot of them. Topless tanning very common here and why not? Morwen.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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03-30-2007 23:02
get a lot of fig leaves...
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Colette Meiji
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03-30-2007 23:08
Im more interested in being AR proof on PG land.
At the same time I need Vendor pics to show a lot of skin and the avatar's figure.
Is it just no nipples / no butt crack/ no genitalia ?
Or is it a limit on how much cleavage and cheek I can show?
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Gordon Wendt
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03-30-2007 23:10
From: Colette Meiji Im more interested in bieng AR proof on PG land.
At the same time I need Vendor pics to show a lot of skin and the avatar's figure.
Is it just no nipples / no butt crack/ no genitalia ?
Or is it a limit on how much cleavage and cheek I can show? I'd say to prevent being ARed you would need all female shapes to be covered in a burka and full body dress to appease muslims, and wearing a cross to appease christians or (insert symbol here) to appease (insert religion here), and to appease ghosts I guess they'd have to be full invisible, and to appease Santa's they'd have to be wearing red, and to appease lawyers you'd have to put out a big sign saying you can't hold anything here against me.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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03-30-2007 23:12
but crack is okay you can't show the genitalia and depending on where you look nipples may or may not be okay so blur the 3 front areas to be sure behind is fine or should be Some places dont like blur they want you to put a coloured patch over top. I remember blurring something once and it didn't pass I had to put a coloured patch on top instead. The coloured patch however was a company policy I missed not a "norm". This was almost 10 years ago now I dont know what the rules are now as I havent built a site that needed to be censored for a verrrry long time 
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Colette Meiji
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03-30-2007 23:15
Might have been nice if Lindens had Clarified this.
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Allana Dion
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03-30-2007 23:15
Maybe just a little black bar or star or something over each nipple and groin. But also, since skin shoppers will naturally want to see how detailed and accurate those bits are too, you could include the ability to click on the vendor and recieve a notecard with a texture inside it that they can open. This puts the responsibility on them. No one can say, "She showed me boobies!!" If they had to actually go to that trouble to see them. EDIT: From: someone Im in the shape business so I need to show the figure and that looks best in a skin not a bodysuit. Ah I missed that part, no extra texture needed then. Sorry.
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Colette Meiji
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03-30-2007 23:18
From: Allana Dion Maybe just a little black bar or star or something over each nipple and groin. But also, since skin shoppers will naturally want to see how detailed and accurate those bits are too, you could include the ability to click on the vendor and recieve a notecard with a texture inside it that they can open. This puts the responsibility on them. No one can say, "She showed me boobies!!" If they had to actually go to that trouble to see them.
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Ah I missed that part, no extra texture needed then. Sorry. Is it even legal to hand out nude pictures in a notecard in PG regions? I think this is another reason people like Mature better - who wants to figure out if they are ARable all the dam time.
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03-31-2007 00:50
Lets go into the AR test bot business and when we are not sure what to do we can take the bot out and leave him running for two days doing whatever action we are wondering about and see what happens 
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03-31-2007 00:54
in 1978, Superman the Movie showed full frontal male child nudity. Rating: PG
I think we can use the "appeals to the prurient interest" argument here. (god I hate that word)
if it's sexual, titillating, or provocative.. then it's Mature. if you're selling a body, shape, skin or body part.. I would think that that technically would be PG. where that line would be in terms of selling genitalia, I think, would fall in how you market it. It's the grey area.
As far as packaging (vendor displays) You might suggest the long held "stars on the nipples and genitals" tactic used on porn magazine and movie covers in some states, to comply with arcane decency laws. AT the end of the day though, if what you're selling is the skin, or the body part.. it's hard to sell a skin without showing people what it looks like. You might try leaving the "naughty bits" off your vendor, but put them on the demo.
I also don't think (to use that Superman analogy) that nudity, or even exposed genitalia.. is in -and-of-itself obscene, and I will fight for that principle with my dying breath. That said.. some semblance of propriety can be observed. in terms of social harmony. If you're selling sex toys.. that goes in a mature sim. If you're selling skin.. well everyone needs skin. (the ABSENCE of skin is far more grotesque and offensive to my thinking.)
I would argue that it might be "less stressful" to put a skin shop in a mature rated sim.. rather than constantly trying to defend that it should be accepted in PG. But I will agree that nudity does not equal obscenity, and should not be "forced" into a Mature sim just to make someone else happy. (that's what Eject and ban are for).
remember that if you own the land.. you have reign over who may enter.
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Luth Brodie
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03-31-2007 04:13
They have stated what is allowed on PG land before... It was a long time ago so I might not remember everything.
No public nudity. No cursing. No public sex.
Both are AR offenses.
Black bars, blurring, fig leaves, or poses that cover the naughty bits will work.
Giving a demo that shows the naughty bits and making a dressing room of sorts will work. Even if people can cam into the dressing room, it's not public nudity.
While it is your land, if someone hears you curse then you can be reported, "warned", and even banned. Which is why mature land has been more expensive and more used then PG land. Not because everyone is going to put porn up but because it gives you the freedom to do and say what you like in a world of adults.
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03-31-2007 05:33
From: Luth Brodie ...mature land has been more expensive and more used then PG land. Not because everyone is going to put porn up but because it gives you the freedom to do and say what you like in a world of adults. Exactly. I really dislike the more explicit sexual content of SL (mostly because it's incredibly vulgar rather than erotic), but I still chose to live in a mature sim. I do not consider casual nudity to be obscene, and casual cursing doesn't bother me at all either. I want the leeway to engage in normal, adult behavior without wondering whether I'm crossing some vague line of accepted public conduct in a PG area. And honestly, in my entire time on my mature sim, I haven't see any public behavior that would in any way be obscene or blatantly sexual. Most residents just live here and relax. Even the two (now defunct) casinos were pretty tame. There is a world of difference between adult "mature" behavior and the XXX in-your-face businesses with explicit photos of sexual activity and orgies. Lumping all of this together under one category was somewhat tiresome, but it was the price I was willing to pay for that extra bit of personal freedom. Given the distinctions that LL now wants to make in search, it would make more sense to create XXX sims and concentrate the explicit sex industry there. Residents who want to find a peeing vagina will have a pretty good idea that they need to search for mature content, and everyone else can look for chairs without worrying about the checkbox.
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03-31-2007 05:56
/grumbles about why the hell female nipples are considered "naughty bits" and male nipples aren't...
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03-31-2007 06:00
Maybe put an avatar in a pose, and have those silky, thin, red banners floating across their frontal goods. I'm not sure about the butt cracks, lol. I'd rather not ask Help Request that one.
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03-31-2007 06:23
From: tristan Eliot they blur nipples on television. maybe those standards would fly. *shrugs*
But this might be a question for a Linden. They dont blur nipples in the UK until after 9pm 
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03-31-2007 06:23
From: Isablan Neva /grumbles about why the hell female nipples are considered "naughty bits" and male nipples aren't... So i can show my nipples off and u cant on PG land haha  PS: As a male character here and in RL if i gave my avatar boobies would i then have the same problem as you going topless in PG?
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03-31-2007 06:25
From: Colette Meiji Might have been nice if Lindens had Clarified this. You should know better than this, they clarify it days after the event normally 
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03-31-2007 07:51
From: Luth Brodie They have stated what is allowed on PG land before... It was a long time ago so I might not remember everything. No public nudity. No cursing. No public sex. Both are AR offenses. . snip Actualy long ago (2004) I was flat told by a linden, Kissing (not the naughty kind), and any foul language or sexual connotations even in Private IM were also no no's.
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Har Fairweather
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03-31-2007 08:11
From: Lord Sullivan They dont blur nipples in the UK until after 9pm  The only time I see blurred nipples is when I'm really, really drunk. To address the underlying problem, I'd suggest this principle: If you're worried about whether something will violate "PG" standards, you should probably just tone it down anyway - or better yet, put it in a mature area, where you can forget about such nonsense.
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Colette Meiji
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03-31-2007 08:14
A brazillian thong is "PG" then , I can show 99% of a nude body long as no "nuaghty bits" are exposed.?
Wheras an entirely clothed woman except for one breast is in violation.
So its not nudity thats prohibited, its exposing body parts with sexual connotations.
Ill probably err on the side of covering up becuase I want to make sure Im not going to get Ar'd in this PG store.
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Colette Meiji
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03-31-2007 08:17
From: Har Fairweather The only time I see blurred nipples is when I'm really, really drunk.
To address the underlying problem, I'd suggest this principle: If you're worried about whether something will violate "PG" standards, you should probably just tone it down anyway - or better yet, put it in a mature area, where you can forget about such nonsense. You missed the original post Of course im better off in a Mature area - however, Its costing me money to not be PG so Im opening up a second "PG" store. I have no confidence Linden Labs intends to loosen up, but rather they will become more disney as time goes on. I just want to make sure I dont do it than get reported for nudity.
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Colette Meiji
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03-31-2007 08:18
From: Gaybot Foxley Maybe put an avatar in a pose, and have those silky, thin, red banners floating across their frontal goods. I'm not sure about the butt cracks, lol. I'd rather not ask Help Request that one. Maybe I can just Paint Shop on Ban lines LOL
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