BOT places! List them here!

He probably thought it was a slider on the parcel controls.

And thus .. using Trafficbots ... gives you numbers that are ..

yeah .. ok.

If the question was to me Colette, you should know better. You're ignored.

However, I don't recall anything about the numbers in the Places tab, or in the Popular Places tab. The reason the Popular Places list represented popular places to me was because it said so.

I don't trust statistics. Look you older folks might have a a more friendly view of how things are but the real world doesn't operate that way and I'm not surprised that Second Life doesn't operate that way.

I take statistics with a pinch of salt.

ROFL you need to learn to ignore better.



Yeah okay,

So you need new/better glasses then.

So, when starting out like me, you thought the the Popular Places were popular, and that the Places were......... places.
You didn't perhaps notice that the listings of the Popular Places and the Places were both listed in descending order of traffic??
You didn't make any connection?
You thought the the numbers were just ........ random numbers?
You thought that the fact that they just happened to be listed like that was merely a coincidence?

Interesting.

lol

A couple of pages ago, someone mentioned "argument from fallacy". You should look it up

80% of statistics are made up anyway

Shouldn't you attempt to identify which fallacy she is using if you are going to claim this?

Or you just smugly think one must apply.

Especially Traffic numbers ...

You are basing your anecdotes on people who are new, very casual SL users, or those who are are not even aware of the issues within SL. They are not in touch with these things and have little stake in SL. On the forums we see these people show up here for the first time when they get scammed. I think there is a certain pattern with the majority of people beginning in SL, that could be broken into stages. In general people have plenty to do and learn when they enter SL to get involved in these kinds of issues. Many residents stay in there own little world or SL experience, unaware of things like BOTS and other scams--until they are more serious about SL and it effects them.

Someone may begin a business while ignorance is bliss and then learn some of their top ranked competitors are cheating the system. Then suddenly it starts to matter, if they are repulsed by the deception.

I agree with the entirety of what is quoted below. That sums it up nicely.

You are basing your arguments on pure imagination. But who cares?

Phil, I really want to just let your posts ride but many of them are just so insulting to those of us capable of thinking clearly, it makes me wonder if you really think yourself such the intellect that people will read whatever rubbish you write and be even remotely swayed by the elementary spins you apply to them?

Take your post quoted below. for instance;



In other words, according to you deceiving people is not necessarily lying, unless there is intent to deceive?

Really?

At it's very core, the definition of deceit IS the INTENTIONAL concealment or distortion of the truth for the purpose of misleading, or an act or device INTENDED to deceive.

In other words, it is impossible to deceive without lying because intent is inherent to the act of deception. Hence, there is always intent when deceiving.

How can it be possible then that one is not lying when deceiving unless there is intent, when the most basic element of deceit is the intentional act of distortion of the truth, also known as lying.



If you say something that you believe to be true, but isn't, and the person is unintentionally deceived, then you were simply mistaken with the information provided. You would not have lied or deceived because there was no intent to lie or deceive.



If you tell someone the truth, there is no distortion of the truth for the purpose of misleading. You could not therefore, have lied or deceived anyone.



You know full well people could not have understood the above, because it is simply unintelligible. Your sense of spin is so mind-boggling that it leaves even your own head spinning.




If they minded Phil, they would not be in your store in the first place, would they?



It was more than likely also the first furniture store she found listed in search. Did you also make mention to her that there may be other furniture stores that could possible better serve her needs if she were to continue her search down the search list to those stores you deceptively leap-frogged over, thanks to your Bot-Farm high above the skies?



The issue here is not so much whether the SL population as a whole minds how you got your high search rankings. It's more to do with the ethically deceptive method that you in fact utilized to acquire that high search ranking.



Yes. You blessed all of us furniture shoppers with your use of a Traffic-Bot farm high above your stores skies. For without it, how could we ever have found your store?



Trust me, we are all fully aware of this by now.

Which makes me wonder why this thread just goes on and around in circles. No offense to present company intended, but haven't we all said again and again what we need to say? Hasn't this yet run its course?

It's time to let this go. We're giving Phil way to much floor time here.

I suppose it all depends on how you attribute said use of floor time.

I liken this thread to that of a looped film clip that my friend showed me on You Tube of a person named Roseann Barr as she sang the Star Spangled Banner on national television. And yes, Phil is giving Roseann a run for her money.

All joking aside though, I don't see it that way Zaphod.

Ultimately, this is still a thread about Traffic-Bots and the people and/or those locations who make use of them. If a few residents, of which Phil is one, chose to proclaim themselves as the spokes persons for the pro-Traffic Bot people, then so be it.

The important thing in my mind is that this issue needs to be discussed. And in so far as that is concerned, that objective is being fulfilled by this thread.

Fine Phil, you can imagine people don't mind being deceived and that they don't care and I'm sure you won't mind it when even the newbies learn about the various scams in SL and network TV is doing stories about shady business people in SL.

You are a shady business person Phil and you announce it here everyday. You are honest about it---you flaunt it.

As an aside ..

I am doing a mini-makeover tonight.

Trying to find some new places ...

WTF is up with all the garbage when you do a search these days?

Classified full of junk gamed keyword ads ..

The search All isnt any better ..

and of course "places" is all the gamed traffic stuff.

It just seems really bad now.

I think you'll get it called optimization vs keyword spamming and gaming of the system.

A mess by any other name ..

For me this thread has a sort of sick fascination.
What we are giving Phil is lots of rope.

In the coming years of this thread, I look forward to more stuff like this:

It's the new search system, it has ruined parcel names and descriptions for commercial ventures. Having the name of your store as the parcel name is a missed opportunity to attract custom because of how the system now works.

Writing a plain English (or whatever language you want) description is again a waste of words.

Cheyenne:

I can't be bothered replying to your lengthy post about deception, or even reading most of it - sorry. I did say that I don't know if people will understand it, and if you don't understand it, that's just the way it is - I'm not going to help you. I'll just reply to this bit:-

Would you like to read the thread again, and see where one or two people were asking me to put a sign up in the store, informing people that I use traffic bots, and see where someone asked me several times to do a survey of the people in my store, about my use of traffic bots - even suggesting that others might go there and do it? Perhaps you would like to find where some have written that people are deceived when they come to my store from search; i.e. they didn't realise that the numbers and rankings had been manipulated.

You fight on all sides, Cheyenne. Be very careful or you'll give yourself a black eye


Marcel:
You are not alone in noticing that people skip the parts of posts that they don't have answers for, and pick out little bits that they think they can argue against. Colette has always done it as long as I've used this forum, but Colette's purpose in the threads is different to most other people's, imo. Others also do it. And I agree with you that it would be nice when people concede points when it happens. But it's not expected from the anti-bots. They are only in it to object.