New PC???,,, or a new MAC????

Have you got a beard?
Do you like to feel superior to everyone else?
Have you lots of money to but niche software?
Are you a graphics desighner and submit to magaizine/book publishers?


IF YES to the above buy a Mac

If you are a normal person who needs up datable software
Cheap software
Cheap upgrades
user supprt
buddies
No beard
social interaction
no need to look down on the peasants

For the sake of you sanity -buy a PC

They outperform macs in every real world test, 'cept the ones Apple fixes.

- Have you got a beard?

no

- Do you like to feel superior to everyone else?

no

- Have you lots of money to but niche software?

no

- Are you a graphics desighner and submit to magaizine/book publishers?

no

- IF YES to the above buy a Mac

I love my mac.



- If you are a normal person who needs up datable software

whats not updatable on a mac?

- Cheap software

not sure what software is more expensive on a mac....

- Cheap upgrades

on a macpro, which is the subject, upgrades involve the same PC hardware. the cost is the god-like logic board and the OS, and the fact that the computer and the OS were developed in the same house. That is a very big deal.

I recently compared a black macbook to a similar Dell or HP, and after all the upgrades are added to the Dell/HP, the cost was over $500 more than the macbook. This si a reason why mac's appear to be so much more costly-- Mac's are feature-loaded systems. PC's typically start at the base and then you add your upgrades. What happens is that there are many features on a mac that one would not have planned to use, but then fall in love with afterwards.

- user supprt

what about it? even easier since you can more likely find a mac user with a similar computer than a pc user.

buddies

- i dont understand the validity of this one.

No beard

- i work in Palo Alto, home of Steve Jobs. he's the only one with a beard around here dude.

- social interaction

now youre winging it.


- no need to look down on the peasants

your associations are starting to appear unhealthy.


- For the sake of you sanity -buy a PC

PCs are great as long as windows stays off of it


- They outperform macs in every real world test, 'cept the ones Apple fixes.

[citation needed]


As a software developer for the web, its the general opinion at my office that software that only runs on one platform is not well-built software for modern times. There are always exceptions (Direct X for games on Windows, Core Audio/Logic on OSX), but if someone comes up with the argument that theres "thousands more titles on windows", consider the quality of those thousands of titles first.

I own 2 mac's and 2 PCs and one Linux-run embedded PC. In order of love:

MacBook Pro
MacBook
Home-made media center PC (Athalon 2.1G + XFX/Nvidia 7950. a silent beast)
Slackware-run embedded pc (my 15-watt shoutcast server)
Dell Precision 380 (smoke test worst-case scenario junker)

i also recently built a PC for a freind (specifically for second life) and for my nephew. however part of my agreement to build them is NO windows support. Ubuntu, sure! but unless youre a real tweaker, SL on Linux isnt there yet. yet....


*edit: ok, i give my nephew some windows support. Just to keep the pediphiles away.

IBM marketing back in the 80s associated "PC" with the... PC. Not as competition to Apple, but as a wonderful futuristic beige beast with 48K RAM that you can store your recipes on in a "database". Computers weren't very personal at first. Telling someone its personal makes them feel like its more personal. or something

However the idea of an Intergalactic Computer sounds fun..... Some say we'll be running second life in one of these in about 50 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrioshka_brain

wheeeeeeeee. eat your vegetables.. the future looks fun

Yeesh, the PC evangelicals are getting worse than ma ones ever were. Either that or it's a platform war troll. Sigh, I may as well give some feed.



I feel no sense of "superiority" (it sounds like you might, though - bought a Mac lately?), no beard of course. Not a lot of money and plenty of software (although the stuff that I need that costs money costs the same amount on Mac or PC. Priced Photoshop lately?). However, I am a Graphic Designer, although most of my submitting is for the web or SL.



See above on cost of software. My computer checks for upgrades every week, and sends me them *for free*. I'm not sure if this is cheap enough for ya. Consumer Reports regularly lists Mac support as the best in the business, above all other PC manufacturers (also, they note a reduced liklihood for repair and service). You're last four points are nothing but trolling.

Now then, can we at least pretend it's 2008, and not, oh, 1993?

Mari

The mac superiority thing was big in the days of the classic mac, and then there was a revival in the 90s when mac's truly were crap and Windows users were able to kick their butts.

There is a recent revival again due to the Im a PC/Im a Mac ad campaign. However I personally dont know any mac users who think theyre superior in any way. This is Silicon Valley, computers are commodities. people be tripping over computers on the sidewalk... theyre not considered status symbols.

I hope, Marianne, with that name that you dont have a beard

My first Apple was a beige beast. I am also fairly confident that it was called a personal computer. And for the longest time I'd read about how Apple had something like 5% of the PC market (this was back in the '80s). And now Apple is not, apparently, in the PC market any longer, but in the Apple market (hehe, I suddenly picture Apple selling apples, macintosh apples).

A Quantum computer taps into multiple demenisons and universes to function. I will have a quantum computer. Maybe then I would stop crashing when inside Second Life.

We'll probably be living inside that quantum computer. I dont think we even know what a crash will be like then

OK, wading in here.. (have flak jacket on).

I was a windows gal for the longest time, and then got kicked into mac by a job change. First few weeks were tough - and to be frank I hated it, then it just clicked. Now I have two macs at home.

In terms of security, then a mac can't be beaten, I run firefox with a no scripting allowed add on, and I pretty much KNOW I am safe as houses.

My imac 20" with 2gig of ram and a 2600pro ATI card runs really nicely.

It's just less hassle.

If you were as 'expereinced' as you cliam with the windows platform you'd know server 2003 and windows XP are solid OSes at this point. And are only 'crap' if said user does not know the basics of PC secuirty or OS use. (Which is a fair chunck of people granted but if your as skilled as you claim you shouldn't be one of them)

I have a SBS 2003 on my LAN. Runs my web site, domain, IRC server and exchange. You know how many times its gone down in the past 2 yrs due to random crashes or hax0rs? Zero. Same goes with my XP workstation on said LAN. IT's all about knowing the OS and how to keep it running properly.

And I hate to break it to you, but if you follow the security sites as I do you'd see WEEKLY if not DAILY security warnings about the mac OS and the various flavors of linux, not just windows. From minor issues to very serious on ALL platforms. Security issues are not limited to the Win OS's

You are indeed biased and frankly, IMO, talking out of your bum it seems.

M2C

Not me! What would I even do with one?

I deleted the post on dat, as the person I was responding to was totally trolling. Really, the platforms are soooo boring. Shame some people have to prop up their choices in such a way, ya know?

Mari

Doubtful. You're alternate reality will just crash in alternate realities as well.

I'd like to think that somewhere out there I have a stable interface to SL. And that Windlight still worked and didn't keep saying "Unable to connect". That was a new one last night. It showed a picture of a dead computer X'd out with "Unable to connect" written below it. Scared me. I might be slipping between alternate realities. Especially if anyone notes "what is different about that? it always said that. And what's this about Benjamin Franklin on the quater? Franklin isn't on the quarter. Wait . . what is a "quarter"?"

Experienced enough to know that that years-old OS is a real downer.




I use F-Prot antivirus and it blows to have to pay extra money just to keep bad guys out of my system.





Good for you. Everyone's got a crash-proof system of some type ut I'll bet $5 that its runnign a completely different set of tasks than mine. My solution to stop all the multimedia server-related crahses I had was to switch to linux. This was after that so-called big user base had no answers.

Switching to Linux worked, my windows box never crashes now!

i do give credit for all the work Microsoft has done to change the error message from "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down" to "Windows has encountered an error in (application) and needs to close". Kudos, microsoft.








I like shadowserver personally.

Its about 2-3 times a month. No additional 3rd party software or IT professionals required. Windows (not including AV updates) is about 1-4 times a week. Unless its one of those not-so-fresh times, when I've seen multiple updates in a day. Havent seen that on OSX or Ubuntu yet.

the keyword why I hate windows today is "Botnet"




i am SO biased against windows, its unbelievable. But please allow me to restate that i love PC hardware.

But SL runs great on both platforms, so can't we all just get along? No? Oh well. As you were.

After thorough testing, I can assure you that pie tastes just as good whether I'm sitting at a Mac or a PC. Same number of calories, too.

We're not supposed to call it Pie anymore. I thinks it's now Radial Baked Goods.

well one problem with eating pie in front of a mac are those white keyboards...

That wasn't my experience, Court. I'm in the market for a laptop, and I love the sleek look of the Macbook Pro. I configured a 15" MBP the way I wanted, and then configured a Dell XPS 1550 and an HP Pavilion 1667...fully tricked out in each case, to at least the level of the MBP or higher. The HP won, the Dell came in second at about $400 more, and the MacBook Pro came in last at nearly $1,000 more than the Dell.

The real killer was memory. All laptop memory upgrades are pricey, but Apple charges a really unbelievable amount for an extra 2GB.

Mac and cheese anyone?

Nothing beat the Chevy Smallblock V8 and the Chevrolet Tranny is a legend

NO! The Ford rear end is the gold standard

Dodge powertrains are indestructible, plus MOPAR suspension and handling FTW!!

I'll kick your ass with my Indian! You can build more power with late model Pontiac engines than anything on the PLANET OR IN THE GALAXY!!

Camaro!...NO Corvette! Wait, GTO and Mustang!!! No! Charger! Viper! ummm....F150/Silverado/Ram!!!


Wait. Wrong forum. Sorry. It's been a while since I was a moderator on a car site, but i swear I remember breaking up these fights on a regular basis. I kept saying that everyone has a rig they like. Everyone has a reason why. Expecting to get a clear answer on which is better than the other is like expecting to win the lottery. It's fun to play, but don't expect much return.

Personally, I like my PC. I haven't been comfortable every time I've used a Mac, but I recognize that it's my own preference and my own comfort zone that I'm dealing with, so try them both, and get whichever one you like best.

Oh - and Chevrolet wins. You can't beat the Avalanche. I love it and everybody who says anything bad about it is wrong, wrong, wrong.

and etc.

Didnt ford lose its rear-end glory with the Pinto?

Despite my windows bias, I agree with you 100%. The mac in question on this thread is the Mac pro, which can run windows just fine with its 8 xeon cores and a quadro FX GPU anyways. She can also remove the catalytic converter for some extra overclocking too. oops

I use an Amiga.

you RULE.

I believe the Chevy Tranny took care of the Ford Rear End