Running more than one SL at a time

Argent, I enjoyed the history. Phil, I'll ignore the carping.

In any case, folks, when recommending how to do this, PLEASE encourage people to first copy the shortcut and rename it before adding the "multiple" option.

This way they won't have to redo it each time they reinstall the SL client.

I know this is second nature to all the geeks, but let's help out the "non compus mentis" folks as well!

Good point!

I never think about this, as I renamed my shortcut long ago, and just delete the new one after new installs.

Thanks for the reminder =D

let me get this right so my head doesn't explode...

the SL code base is using the POSIX conventions, even though their main supported platform is Windows (which most programmers for still adhere to - or / ), and Mac (which has a different structure for arguments in a separate file), and linnux support being a poor bastard child in which numerous features don't work correctly?

isn't that... schizoid?

for sanity's sake, I suppose the best option is to use the double dash, since that's the baseline the code recognizes. That way, if they forget to include the compatibility code (which LL would never do ::eyeroll: then it'll still work.

PS, odd to note that other users can't get a single dash to work on XP. it's what I use on my shortcuts, in XPpro.

PPS I can't find a single app on my XP machine that uses or accepts a double dash convention... except SL.

Well, yes and no. There is the Windows "standard", and there is the way the rest of the computing world does it.

For those who choose not to take part in the one-dash-or-two controversy, there may be an option.

I just tested this, you apparently have to set AllowMultipleViewers to TRUE, then close SL.

The you can run multiple accounts without having to modify your shortcut.

I've been through this debate from every side. I even created a library that could use the same configuration for MS-DOS, UNIX, VAX/VMS, Windows, Amiga, and a couple more I've forgotten, depending on what it was compiled for. If you told it that you had an option with a name "[l]ong" it would accept "-l" on unix, "/long" on VMS, DOS, or Windows, "long" with no flag character on Amiga, and so on.

And I decided, in the long term, that it wasn't worth maintaining. Just pick one syntax, and use it everywhere. And the only syntax that actually has a formal standard is the GNU/POSIX one. They are already using boost, they have an LLSD XML syntax file that they feed to a routine that sets up boost, and it's done. They don't have to think about it any more.

Install Interix, Microsoft's hosted UNIX subsystem.

Windows has it's own weirdnesses, with some commands accepting the equivalent of "/l", others "/long" others "/long:y".

the double dash works on vista.. the single on xp

I use single dash on my xp and have to use the double on vista 64

TBH I don't Use my XP box for much more than gaming and editing, so there'd be little point. I have another box for Linnux, and a third that I haven't decided what to do with it yet, but it'll probably become a web server/NAS/DLNA server... ahven't researched if there are any decent *nix DLNAS software available, but if there is, it'll be another linnux box.

PS my point was, LL is a bit weird for adopting a standard in line with their least supported platform. that's kinda like being a senator, and never showering because the bum you pass on the way to work doesn't. (speaking LL's POV that is)

And, since Windows is vastly the most common operating system, which is the "more standard"?

It's pointless even discussing it. Both - and -- work with SL, although some people find that one or the other doesn't work for them, so there is no need to go to any great lengths expounding one's irrelevant historical knowledge when a simple answer to the simple question was by far the best way. As it turned out, there was a better method/answer than either -multiple or --multiple.

In the world of operating systems, Windows is not a standard. Windows *breaks* standards!

Windows may be the most ubiquitous, but it is still just one out of a good handful of OS's. If Microsoft were to ever make Windows POSIX-compliant, it would solve SO many interoperability issues!

The fact that Windows handles the single- and double-dash issue so inconsistently is pretty convincing evidence of this. Windows can't even follow its OWN "standards" consistently! Having to go in and edit debug settings isn't a fix, nor a standard. It's an ugly kludge.

I like \? the best

Windows is certainly a standard, for the simple reason that it's vastly the most common operating system in use. It doesn't break standards at all. There are different meanings of the the word "standard". For instance, useage sets standards, where the most common thing used is the standard for that type of thing. On the other hand, organisations and such can create standards for themselves, sometimes with the hope that others will go along with them.

Some of the standards for Windows systems aren't the standards for other operating systems, and vice-versa, regardless of how many other operating systems use the other standards. So standards are not the things to be pushing for this sort of question. What is with SL, is. That's all.

Windows doesn't have anything to do with this.

Windows has never implemented "dash" options, neither single dash, double dash, or any other number of dashes. Microsoft abandoned SWITCHAR and went back to the DEC "slash for options" syntax in DOS before Windows was an independent operating system in its own right.

If LL was going to follow Windows, it would be "/multiple".

The only place I know of that Microsoft uses dashes is in ports of UNIX software, and most of that is in the Interix package, and Interix follows the GNU/Posix convention. If you want a POSIX environment in Windows, download Windows Services for UNIX 3.5, it's a free download from Microsoft, and install the Interix package. It comes with bash, gcc, the whole UNIX environment. It's also included as an add-on in Vista Ultimate and Business versions. There doesn't seem to be an option for the other Home versions of Vista, alas.

So there's no reason to get all "anti Windows" about this. It's not a "Windows" issue. At all.

You might as well express dismay that they're using XML files instead of the Registry for configuration.

More like:

POSIX is used for a lot of cross-platform work, despite its UNIX heritage.

UNIX was the first open systems OS - the first OS defined by its protocols and APIs. The first hosted implementations of UNIX came out in the '70s and virtually every modern OS developed since 1980 has been heavily influenced by UNIX... including Windows. The simplicity and ease of implementation of the UNIX APIs makes it an ideal cross-platform environment... so "despite" is almost exactly the wrong word to use here.

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More specifically, MS deliberately breaks standards, and designs programs and features to work poorly enough with standard implementations that customers are "encouraged" to abandon platforms other than MS. They even have a term for this: "decommoditizing". It's a shame, IMHO. Just like it's a shame that Apple claims you're a criminal if you hack your iPhone to allow it to run software that didn't come from the Apple store. Ah well.

WTF?

Techie talkers.

Only thing I can manage is to log into SL and Legendcity at the same time.


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not at all, it's bad enough they insist on burying configuration files in the user document directory (although they have a url handler in the registry, it belongs there, some of the other crap they bury in there is iffy)

as to the raging 'standards' debate, it boils down to the difference between standard (noun, set of written agreed upon rules) vs standard (adjective, commonly seen practices)... both of which are valid interpretations.

in all actuality adoption of a standard(n) in light of their poor implementation on platforms that live by it, just makes it even funnier, than ignoring standard(a) usage on their main platform.

personally I don't care, it was just a point of interest of why and curiosity.

Alright so I am relatively new to SL and have no clue what you guys are talking about! (Well, somewhat I guess...) I have been able to do what Suezanne has suggested... but I don't know where to go from there... Please help! Thanks =)