Skin sellers PG or Mature??

I don't get it. I just unchecked Mature and searched for skins and many places come up with skins. I went in and checked a few places and sure enough, the posters showed the whole skin uncensored. So is it ok to sells skins as a PG listing under Search Places and Classifieds then? This could be an unfair advantage to people not following the TOS. I certainly am interested in knowing cause I sell plenty of skins and thats the only reason for listing under mature.

I would not consider skins as a Mature subject, since they're not anatomically correct, if you know what I mean. There's nothing to hide on a Barbie doll...

Never mind I guess it doesn't matter. Land is on Mature so I'm screwed anyways. LL better change something about this.

Selling skins is PG, showing a nude picture of the skin is mature

Do you see skins being advertised in the forums? Of course.. whats the problem?

Skins being sold on PG land listing under PG with uncensored posters.

report em hun, all you can do

Since when is nudity classified as Mature? Even according to the MPAA, an extremely conservative group when it comes to film ratings, nudity can occur in a PG movie provided it is nonsexual in nature, with more extended nude scenes constituting a PG-13 rating. I'm not suggesting nudity be permitted Grid Wide. But advertising a skin with a picture constitutes nothing sexual and would be legally permitted in a PG-13 rated film. Since the age requirements of SL start at 18, I think SL would be poorly served, and LL on shaky ground, rating skin advertisements as Mature without clearly defining the PG/Mature line rather more clearly than they have. And trust me, drawing that line so that PG becomes G and Mature becomes PG-13 would empty SL faster than just about anything SL has done or NOT done so far.

The whole "PG means you wouldn't do it in front of your grandmother" stance traditionally taken by LL (see: http://secondlife.com/knowledgebase/article.php?id=312) certainly might make skin advertising a Mature thing in certain parts of certain countries, but for most of the world, nudity in and of itself is not something restricted by a grandmother's presence or nonpresence. Ask the Swedes if you don't believe me.

Kam

Nudity is mature in the Community Standards

How nude counts as nude?

Not defined.

Why bother? We're all supposed to be adults anyway. It's only nudity. If something is graphic violent content or even simulated sexual activity then sure, rules are being broken and if it bothers you report it. But since when are a pair of nipples something to be bothered by?



Not sure what it is you want changed, nudity in mature places (you said the land is mature) or the inability to advertise a product like skins on PG land?

Id vote for removing nudity restrictions grid wide.

The skins Ive seen are indeed anatomically correct. Even the mens skins have an ass crack. Sooo barbie doll? Nope. As for skins being rated as mature, guess it depends just how much of a prude you are. A naked body is just that, its you without clothes. In SL its a cartoon without clothes. Unless that cartoon is naked and indulging in some form of sexual sport, its strictly a natural state of being. Many in society seem to have a weird phobia about their own bodies, or the bodies of others in states of undress. Blame it on a religeous upbringing. According to them, this phobia is Adam and Eves fault. Skins are not even worthy of a PG, everybody has one.

This very same thing happens if you search for Skins in IMVU, even if you aren't a registered adult. ;p i guess selling the skin is ok but wearing it isn't. just like selling guns is ok but shooting them isn't.

I'd second that.

Hell, I'd vote for making mandatry nekkid areas..

If people are selling skins from PG sims with full nude box art then they're indeed violating the TOS. I have stores in both PG and M sims, but I only sell skins in the M sims. I've thought about selling them from my PG store with different boxes but decided against it. Customers should be able to try things on right then and there without worrying about getting AR'd for it. I'm sure you could sell skins from PG land without violating the TOS easily enough, but I think it would be pretty inconvenient for shoppers, and full nude display art is definitely a no-no.

personally, I feel the criterion should be based on "appeals to prurient interest". That doesn't really apply to skin stores, unless of course the images used to advertise the skins are in provocative poses. I would say though, that the relevant images shouldn't be heavily showcased and visible from the "street". And no genitals on skins intended for child avatars please.

It is a sad state of affairs when the nude human body is considered to be something dirty...

It's a very long list. A few of the stores are very popular. All I'm asking is that there should be some common ground here.

So True.

Chip's experience is the most relevant thing.

It really doesn't matter whether we agree or disagree with mature rating for naked full-frontal skin displays.

What matters is that this is technically a breach of the TOS/Community Standards, and that some creators are being disadvvantaged by not wishing to flaunt/risk action on advertising their own wares in PG, whereas others are not doing that, and benefiting accordingly.

So either enforcing the rules, or changing the rules are the only fair options. It doesn't matter where the playing field is, so long as it's level.

I am personally not in favour of censoring something like skins from PG listings, but as long as doing so is part of the rules, I am in favour of people like Chip not being put at a disadvantage because they choose to stick to the rules while others break them.

I can totally agree with this. Some people are put at a disadvantage including me while others sell there skins on PG land with full nudity shown.

It's a sad world out there.
Sadly, we bring our sadness into here.

Exactly. And I find it even sadder when Americans think that the rest of the world not only SHOULD operate and think the way we do, but impose our standards on the rest of the world when they do NOT operate and think the way we do.

And to those who have pointed out that nudity is defined as "Mature" by the Community Standards I would point out that I never said they weren't. My point is that the PG/Mature designation is misleading when nudity IS permitted in PG rated movies. I'm arguing that there should be consistency, not that there is consistency. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

If you disagree, ask yourself this question--why is it okay to watch someone's heart get ripped out of their chest in a PG unsafe region, but not see a naked human form? What does this say about our attitudes and beliefs about the sanctity of the human body?

Kam

YES! And if your not naked when you enter these regions, that coppertone dog will hunt you down and steal them from you.

Considering we are all born naked, we all know what it looks like, and everything else on the planet is naked, i don't know why "other then fashion" to wear clothes. ;p