proposition boycott

Ya, I know highly unlikely to get people to go alone with this. I mean they sure could when gambling was banned, but I doubt they would do it for this.

My proposition is to stop buying anything in world or from SLX till 1. The "no rez item, then disappear from inventory" problem is solved and 2. The Lindens do something about all the shops selling free stuff; which has become my 1 pet peeve.

Boycotts against merchants are usually meant to punish the merchants themselves. In this case, they are not responsible for the problem, they are being victimized as much as the rest of us. I doubt this would be very effective.

Most decent shop owners will replace items lost knowing about the problems. I don't see why half the shops should go out of business to 'punish' LL which is what would happen if everyone stopped buying. I would be quite happy if people messaged me if they wanted to buy but were worried about not receiving. As for freebies, I really don't know how to stop it apart from only shopping in well established places and checking the creators name is the same as the shop owner.

Boycotting merchants isn't going to help. Like the others have stated they are victims in this situation. More so than the buyers, because they have invested time and money into their business. Now, even with out a boycott they are probably not making as many sales as they were prior to the problems you mentioned.

Actually, boycotts against merchants are one of the only effective ways of punishing the broadcast industry. The merchants are the ones that purchase advertising time...the lifeblood of the industry. When they're boycotted because of their support of a certain program or policy...they're usually pretty quick to pass their displeasure along.

Such a thing in SL would be interesting to see. I'd feel sorry for the merchants, of course...but if it adds some strident urgency to the call to actually fix some problems with the platform...then that's a good thing.

Ambivelance sucks, sometimes.

Me too. I'm happy to offer replacements if something goes poof, and I'd be happy if they message me to buy something direct to make sure they get it.

Please don't punish us to get at LL. Most of us are trying to do our part, and times like this our businesses are already suffering.

PFFT... and when nothing is done, and you have punished the innocent to make the guilty pay, what will you have left? nothing... grow up people

Yea I think Your right, LL wouldn't even notice this and only merchants will be hurt by it. Plus getting a grid wide stop on shopping would be impossible. When we want stuff we want it now!

LL is working on this. Do you honestly think they are ignoring this issue just for the ehck of it? I'm sure they LOVE listening to us all b*tch about it in Support Tickects and on teh Forums, not to mention the e-mails and IMs the prolly get.

Two years in SL, I've learned things like this are not ever completely "fixed". We live in a changing environment. Glitches are part and parcel of the world we agreed to be part of. As long as LL continues to work to try to fix them, is all we can expect. And they are doing that. Things aren't perfec by a long shot, but they are better than they were on Monday.



And they should do what? Did you now this practice happens in RL? All the time people buy cheep, sell dear. First rule of economics, and not much is cheeper than free

While I do NOT condone the practice of selling freebies, there is nothing illegal about such. A bit immoral, but not illegal.

The fact is, the same thign applies here in SL as it does in RL. You need to shop around and compare prices. Will you still get burtn occationally? Yup. But if you look, you'll get burnt less.

Want to help new Residents? Put out a freebie package (for free *Grins*) of a good assortment of items to help get started. Most newbies wind up buying freebies because they want to look just a bit better then the LL standard avatars.

And as for the boycot? Ummm.....How you gonna get word to all 45,000 Residents (Concurrent, not total) when only about 400 or so read teh forums?

~Jessy

I thought there already was a de facto boycott. I sure haven't sold anything in world since search was down. (Not that I sell that much, but usually something.)

My proposition is that you leave the merchants out of it and avoid rezzing things you can't afford to lose until things get a little more stable.

Evidenced by the garbage that is on TV, I'd say even in RL these boycotts, or threatend boycotts as most don't get very far anyway, of minimally effective at most. There are exceptions, but in the long run the percentage is not high in my experience.

I can attest to the fact that if at all possible SLEX will also make this sort of thing right with their customers if at all possible.

I have had only good customer service experience from them and from themerchants here in SL and I try to live up to that standard in my own shop.

Hay, it's not like I don't have stuff up on the SLX. And I do apologize to the SL merchants; that are not selling freebies to newbies, I was very aggravated. Second time I have logged in to see the same item had evaporated from my inventory; the merchant was nice enough to replace. And since I read the forums I am aware of just how long this has been going on; and apparently getting worse.

OK lets picket the merchant reselling freebies to newbies

While I agree that the practice of selling freebies is dispicible, it is not illegal.

Harrassing those selling freebies is illegal (or at least agsint the ToS/CS before the e-laywers come out lol).

I understand your frustration, but if you (or anyone) would do such a picket, the only result would be warnings to the picketers from the ARs levied against them by the person selling freebies.

About the only legal thing I could think you could do is to form a group that goes and buys land near places that sell freebies and set up a nice collections of freebies for FREE. Given two choices, one of which is free, which do you think the buyer will take? ^.~

~Jessy

Quoted for truth.

A boycott would only be effective with a majority participation. I doubt this would be possible given the enormity of SL's population.

Yep, a boycott would be wholly redundant, and no merchant would even notice, given the current mess.

You actually think its OUR fault that LL refuses to listen to us just as much as they do you?

Ambivelance is not thousands of people signing POL about this problem and others. More specifically asking for LL to stop with the new features and concentrate on the countless bugs. Sending that letter to the media, LL, and the board of directors. What did LL do about it? Gave a townhall to "adress" these issues which spent a good portion talking about how new things like voice will actually help. Has SL gotton better since? Nope. Are they still working on new things? Yep.

Ambivelance is not spending SLUK 07 drunkenly trying to explain to Jack Linden (in RL) all the issues we as merchants have. Who then tried to tell me that the issue isn't SL, it's my computer. It's the same song and dance everyone gets for every support ticket, no matter which level you are on. As hard as it is to believe, I think they really don't see the issues that we do nor are they willing to listen.

SL just doesn't work like the broadcast industry. They have a limited number of advertisers and income is only coming from them. LL's money comes from land and tier and not all landowners are merchants. You'd do far more damage to LL's bottom line if you got everyone to stop buying more land and to tier down as much as possible. But I still doubt they will listen.

Another difference is competition. There is no other system that has what SL does, yet. If there was only 1 TV station, I bet you they wouldn't listen to their advertisers. Why? Because like with SL, you loose 1 and there are thousands willing to take their place. The only way LL will truely see what they've done horribly wrong is when a more stable program comes out that allows for open content creation, purchasing that content, and converting that money in to RL.

The biggest difference is that we are going through the EXACT same issues you are and probably more:

Daily I get a customer who hasn't recieved the item(s) which takes time to find out if they did buy it, then replace it. Yes, maybe not a lot of time, but that could have been better spent creating new items. It'd be better for all parties involved if LL would just bloody well fix it.

You think we don't loose things when purchasing also? Every single time I put out a pose set I have to buy clothes that fit the image in my head. Should I hold off releasing because SL failed to deliver that 1 item I found that fits and wait til I get another copy?

When search is down, our sales go down. Many people's actual RL income gets hit big time. Most of the merchants that I know are stay at home mothers and SL allows them to be with their kids while they are able to work creatively. What do you think happens when they get very low sales because of these issues?

Every single time I sit down to make new poses, I get upload errors. Which means I have to wait until the asset servers aren't being hit so hard. How much faster would my sim get finished if I could texture more then 3 prims at a time? Or how about copying prims which should be alligned but they arent and I have to fix it?

It's not like we sit around ambivelant to these sorts of things. But seriously, after 3 years I'm really at a loss of how much louder I can voice the displeasure. I know for a fact that if I just leave SL, there are many other people who either don't care or less frustrated as I am who will take my place. How will that help anything?

Well said Luth.

All that a shopping boycott would do is switch the people telling we need a more stable platform

from

Everyone, buyers and sellers.

to

Everyone, sellers and buyers.

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Want an effective boycott?

Sell all your land and stop paying teir. Stop buying Islands and Sims. Cancel your Premium account.

Stop making Alts to pad their userbase claims, log in less to stop padding their users online numbers.

Convince tons of people to do the same.

Becuase thats what matters to Linden Labs.

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of course that wont mean they will fix anything.

They are more likely to fix things if money is rolling in. Thus they can hire staff, pay overtime, etc.

*hurriedly paints up a campain poster and holds it on high*

LUTH FOR GOVENOR LINDEN!!!!!

~Jessy

Well said

fully agreed and nailed to the spot

Friday was a bad day to start selling. =/ I've had one nice forums person drop by, but otherwise it's been silent as a tomb.

Merchants get burned on both ends- we're also usually consumers and having our own problems getting and using the goods we purchase, and also have to deal with customers issues from the items we sell.

I was actually looking to buy another 6k or 7k lindens this weekend- I've put it off indefinitely. I'm not going to sink more money into the platform until I'm reasonably sure I can actually start to sell product at some point.

If your gonna boycott me at least boycott me for something I actualy did thanks ..