Do you hate ad-farms?

I know that I wind up with notecards from spinning ad vendors half a sim away sometimes, due to accidental clicks.

The best solution would be to stop patronizing anyone that advertisies in an obtrusive ad farm, but we all know how well that worked for e-mail spam. The ads are there because they work, and sadly the more obnoxious they are the better they seem to work on many people.

Hmm got bad news for ya hun. Ya arent in RL here ....



It is on private islands yes, and that is a lot of the attraction to them. On my islands for instance, you will never see a flying, spinning, twirling, flashing, annoying ad space, as are about 99.999999% of the other island owner's islands out there in SL Land.
You will see a lot of the islands zoned residential only, commercial only, and even a few "Free for All" islands.

The benefit of Mainland: Do what you want when you want.

The drawback : Your neighbor can do the very same thing

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Yup.. this whole subject was just an attack on you personally...

Nothing you described classifies as an ad-farm. Although a fully functional movie theater on 32 meters is possible... I suspect the patrons wil be a bit crowded while munching on their popcorn.
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There are many logical reasons for small parcels, but the ability is being misused by a few individuals. The actual limits were just a suggestion as I stated in my message. I would love to hear other ideas and suggestions. Ridicule does not really qualify as and idea or suggestion though.

I agree totally, the free market is the only moral way to settle these type disputes.

I have been member for six months and I guess there is more to learn, actually whole lot to learn. LOL
I never heard of JIRA. Thanks for answering Darkclaw.

Plus the neighbors have the option of putting up prim walls with pleasing textures to block off the griefing "ads." A couple of the smaller "huge prims" could serve well: the 20x20s, and the 7.5x40 (!) are possibilities.

Of course, the blocking walls should NOT be transparent on the other side. The owner of the ad farm ought to be able to appreciate the artistry he has inspired in you too...

http://secondlife.com/vote/vote.php?get_id=1529

I made that a while ago with the old proposal system.
This would reduce those ugly billboards and land extortionists while still allowing the usefullness of dividing up your own land when you need to.

nothing wrong with 16sm ad space. i would rather see loads of clickable links, then loads of areas of a sim that have no access unless your on the list.

you guys may aswell stop moaning cos your never gonna stop them. infact i happen to know several ad farmers that single out particular land barons and purposly chop up land bought in their sims purely because of the way they are treated by them.

eg banning etc. Take note land barons!!

i find it funny how you all moan about the small guys makin a few pennys on 16s when mostly its the land barons that are ripping off all the average users by buying all the land and making it unaffordable for the average person.

this is a free market. try and stop the ad farmer at your peril!

Thank you for sharing this story. This is exactly what I recommend to mainland residents who are assailed by these objects. You are well within your rights, if you own an adjacent parcel, to put up something between you and the ad farm so you don't have to look at it. The side benefit of course is that no one can see through your parcel to see the ad, rendering the ad farm useless unless it borders a road, so they just might give up and leave.

Know that sometimes, though, the ad parcel owner will threaten you and maybe file abuse reports against you. Don't worry about this - LL will defend your right to put what you want on your land, just as they defend the right of the ad farmers to put up ads, as long as neither of you are putting up obscene or particle spewing objects. Oh, and don't completely cover over the ad with a large prim - completely blocking access to someone else's land is a no-no.

If you don't want to or don't know how to make large walls or screens to block the ads, you can buy them. Of course I sell ones with landscape photos on them, but others out there do too. And if you know how to build, it's not that difficult to make them.

The most important thing is, don't give up! It's your land, and if you give up and move to an island, that just encourages people to perpetrate more ugliness on the mainland.

This is really stupid.

First of all, land resellers ("land barons" will not sell their land if they try to price it way above the market. Your characterization is way off the mark.

More to the point, though, the reason everybody hates ad farms is that they are UGLY. Land sellers aren't destroying Second Life for the neighbors; ad farm cutters ARE. It's not sour grapes that somebody else may be making money; it's irritation that OUR land is beset with awful, terrible eyesores.

Ad farmers are basically griefers.

The only real viable business model for ad farm cutters is extortion. They know the neighbors will hate to see the ad farms, so they cu them up and set them for sale at a high price. If the neighbors don't want to get stuck with lots of ugly, awful rotating prims all around their own property, they have to pay the inflated prices. Even the "reasonable" prices are always several $L/sqm above market value.

It's a horrible scam.

Don't buy into any of this crap about ad farming being a "legitimate business model." It's no more a legitimate business model than is knocking over the small kids on the schoolyard and stealing their lunch money.

Just because something is legal doesn't mean that it is ethical.

-Rob

<i>I proposed that parcel division be limited to a minimum size of 512 sq. meters. There is no practical reason for dividing land below that.</i>

As has already been described, there <i>are</i> reasons to do that.

I'll give you another. I have a 4096sqm plot of land that I'm working on turning into a mall. however, in contrast to most malls, I want this to be one where <i>each individual store can show up in "places" search</i>. I did this by chopping up the land; the main parcel has walkways and a front area, and there are a number of 96sqm parcels for the individual stores.

All are still owned by the mall group, and I will *not* sell the land like this. But I do need to chop it up like this so that each store can be on its own parcel.

-Rob (who HATES ad farms and views the cutters as nothing more than griefers)

LOL

Yup, SL continues to amaze me. Also, given the fact that SL has been around for years -- LL is starting to amaze me as well.

lol, now whose trying to make moeny out of other peoples mis fortune?

and anyway when this happens, the ad farmers simply drop the price of the ones you have covered, the bots buy them and then they buy another 512 to chop up somewhere else so all your doing is helping create more ad farms.

thats just your opinion. i think they look interesting especialy when your new to sl and are learning to navigate. ethical?? lol its hardly armed robbery. as you say. people know how much they are paying for it and if they didnt want to buy them they wouldnt sell.

It's not just ad farm. One guy had a 256 sq m plot with a billboard only set at $51,200L. I talked to him about it and he said he would take $10,000L for the lot. Then the other owners of the 16 sq m and 32 sq m wanting $4000L and $9995L. And they have some light scripting on those lots just adding lag to the sim.

So, I just bought the land around them and put up a nice brick wall.

Stylee, I used to resell land, so I know how little you buy these lots for and how much you sell them for after you cut them into 16s. I am pretty confident in saying you're making much more than mere pennies. If you look at my store signature, you might conclude that I quite certainly am not going to make a fortune in selling landscape scenes to people to combat the nasty ad views.

Have you ever had a home or store on a mainland lot that was surrounded by the ads? If so, I hope you would sympathize with these unfortunate folks who have to look at that stuff all the time. Some of the ads are rather graphic and distasteful. Yes, it's a free market - I fully agree with you there - but most people try to be good neighbors, and would appreciate the same in return.

When you say you know factually several I am sure you're including yourself in this list as you yourself are in the top-10 of spam farm cutters known and documented by the Arbor Project.

As far as your threats of peril to anyone, that is almost laughable. If I were a gambler I'd place my bets on the "land barons" over the farm cutters for long term success.

That's why I prefer to buy up land around them and build a nice huge prim brick wall around those.

I don't really want to get off the topic of this thread, but there needs to be a distinction made between advertising and ad farms. Advertising *can* when done right be a viable business as well as beneficial to the community. Unfortunately the bulk of advertising done in SL has been giant clusters of spinning eyesores, notecard spammers, porn, and other things people generally don't want to live next to. That is what people think when they think of SL Advertising.

In regards to the actual topic at hand -- I agree something needs to be done on a level residents are not capable of, however I agree with the poster about the implementation of this, great idea -- needs some refinement. But... I am completely supportive of any proposal or idea that benefits residents and gets rid of these ad farms -- or helps to prevent future ones.

I also hate ad-farms, but there ARE legitimate resons for having small parcels, such as 16sqm. One reason is audio. I have Skyhomes, and a resident clubhouse on the ground. The land has been parcelled up so that the tenants get the prim allocation they want. As it is not possible to have two music streams within one parcel, a solution often employed is to make a very small parcel, place the jukebox in there, deed the parcel to the Tenants association, and hey-presto, two audio streams.

This method is also used in apartment blocks and other places where properties are stacked, rather than side by side.

IMPEACH BUSH <<--Now, who remembers that fiasco? I try my hardest to make my free tshirt ads "fit in" with the community and I don't want all advertisers to be suck with the "Bush guy" stigma. But yes, I do have convictions. Here, LL built a fancy new "ad pharm to be" and didn't even put in new mechanisims to prevent what happened with they're other continents. It's all liquid to them.

Confessions of a sinepharmer.