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Tegg Bode
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Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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07-09-2007 05:12
Well I guess if everyone has to pay $5L (1.8cUS) to enter a club so be it, then perhaps clubs can make a little money and only serious clubs will exist rather than the blight of empty ones about.
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Join date: 10 Apr 2004
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07-09-2007 07:11
so if I am a dj in the usa I just route my stream though a non-US server? that sounds a little too easy... Not unless you can use telepathy for some of the journey.. your first node (ISP) will still always be at your local exchange. _____________________
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Zen Zeddmore
3dprinter Enthusiast
Join date: 31 Jul 2006
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07-09-2007 07:56
DUH!!! Make a better mousetrap or become extint. The music industry is moving quickly to a time when they WILL be extint. How close are we to just going online for new bands and music? ....oh wait....we're already there and that's what they are crying about. Because we, the little people, can do everythign without them *smirks* They just want back the piece of the pie they lost, even though they aren't doing anythign to EARN it anymore. ~Jessy ... heh, and we're still only at the tip of the iceberg. think about how all these things have gone down, now link and compile what 3dprinters will do to centralized manufaturing, and what the responce will likely have to be... /me shakes head and bellows in the meadow... ... if you think the shite has hit the fan now, wait till then. re the present situation my stepson works for a couple radio stations here(usa), the law says in a nut shell... record company's claim lost revinue from internet listeners via the assistance of internet broadcasters and hope to recoup those losses from the broadcasters(retroactivly through jan06) at a rate of 33cents PER HOUR PER LISTENER. with an estimated 10,000 listeners averaging 2 hours a week times 80 weeks is about $500,000 per station will the record companies game this the same way some SL stores put hundreds of robot AVs on their land to boost their numbers? you bet your sweet patootie they will. So with a couple hundred computers each connected to a few hundred radio stations the broadcasters will finally meet the fate the record company's have longed for for so many years. _____________________
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LNDINI Lok
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Join date: 17 May 2007
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07-09-2007 08:58
so basicly since we still can't nail what exactly what this law is going to do if passed, the safe bet is to get non-US dj's or US djs who can proove their music isn't streaming from a us server right? No |
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Mortus Allen
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Join date: 28 Apr 2007
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07-09-2007 11:01
The RIAA and other organizations trying to work against and not with new media technologies need to realize these technologies are here to stay and they can't simply be legislated away. All they will do is push these things underground. But you know it's historicly documented that the maverics with the right idea get persicuted by those that do not like change, take Galalleo (SP?) or Phone Freaks (The predicessor to hackers.) for example. Hell I am sure the big wigs at the RIAA use and invention of the Phone Freaks on a regular basis, Confrence Calling!
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SqueezeOne Pow
World Changer
Join date: 21 Dec 2005
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07-09-2007 11:08
Thisis a United States only change. Just stream from a server based in Europe or Canada. It doesn't work that way. Americans will still be dinged for it if they are physically in the US. _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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07-09-2007 11:12
"The day...the Music...died."
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bladyblue Bommerang
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Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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07-09-2007 11:15
It doesn't work that way. Americans will still be dinged for it if they are physically in the US. So if I listen to music on a stream that originates in South Africa they are going to do something about that? Like what? Send a letter to South Africa and use strong language? _____________________
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Alicia Sautereau
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Join date: 20 Feb 2007
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07-09-2007 11:15
lets hope we have some wannabe terrorists that if they are gonna bomb something nway, target the riaa&co buildings instead and do us an favor worldwide while at it
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Ann Launay
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Join date: 8 Aug 2006
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07-09-2007 11:20
I hate the RIAA. My favorite musician 'leaked' a bunch of the songs from his new album before it was released by leaving thumb drives with music on them in venue bathrooms. Then, shortly after the album was released, the RIAA started making noises about tracking down the people distributing (mostly free of charge) these purported 'bootleg' copies. Does that make any kind of sense? The artist distributed his music in a somewhat unorthodox manner and the RIAA wants to punish his fans for it?
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Tybalt Brando
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Join date: 25 Dec 2006
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07-09-2007 11:30
Yo ho Yo Ho.....
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Isablan Neva
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Join date: 27 Nov 2004
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07-09-2007 11:32
So if I listen to music on a stream that originates in South Africa they are going to do something about that? Like what? Send a letter to South Africa and use strong language? Exactly. If internet radio goes down next week there will be a strong business opportunity for someone to allow upload of an entire catalog and stream from offshore, that way the stream and programming aren't originating from the US. Won't help live DJ's much, but will keep the music playing for everyone else. The music nazi's may shut down live DJ's, but they can't shut it all down. _____________________
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Finora Kuncoro
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Join date: 11 Dec 2006
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07-09-2007 15:30
These rates apply to all transmissions made to US residents - regardless of from where they originate. Obviously, for a real foreign webcaster with no US contacts, there might be jurisdictional issues about trying to collect those royalties (though SoundExchange is working on reciprocal collection agreements with collection agencies in other countries). For a US webcaster who simply puts their servers off shore but then continues to program from the US there wouldn't be such jurisdictional issues. The US Courts of Appeals have consistently ruled that the country where the infringement is completed rather than where it is initiated, has jurisdiction over the infringement. My question is how is a Webcaster (US based or foreign) supposed to know if his/her audience contains 1 or 1000 US residents. Are they expected to check the originating IP address of each person who has tapped into their stream (assuming they could do this legally) ? It doesn't sound workable to me. _____________________
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Jake Trenchard
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Join date: 31 May 2007
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07-09-2007 15:54
Does that make any kind of sense? The artist distributed his music in a somewhat unorthodox manner and the RIAA wants to punish his fans for it? The arist presumably got paid good money for signing a contract that gave distribution rights to the RIAA. Now, I thoroughly despise the RIAA, but this is exactly why they have so much power. Your favorite artist there could have signed with an 'independent' label with a different distribution agreement. Of course, then he wouldn't get paid so much for the contract, because he wouldn't be giving up distribution rights... If the creators of music are willing to sign over the rights to their music so easily, there is nothing that can really be done about it. You'd essentially have to repeal copyright in it's entirety to say what the RIAA was doing was legally wrong. (Ethically is another matter.) Of course, the major label's influence on setting up concert tours is fairly key to why musicians sign away everything. It is definitely a harder road to avoid the major labels ... almost every professional musician dreams of being offered a major label contract. Although it may not be what they hoped when they get there. The first offered contracts generally give the musicians next to nothing for their work. After a first successful tour you can try to negotiate one that involves things like receiving money. |
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Zen Zeddmore
3dprinter Enthusiast
Join date: 31 Jul 2006
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07-09-2007 16:15
My question is how is a Webcaster (US based or foreign) supposed to know if his/her audience contains 1 or 1000 US residents. Are they expected to check the originating IP address of each person who has tapped into their stream (assuming they could do this legally) ? Actually that's exactly what they're compelled to do assess how many people are listening by ip and calculate an avarage number of listeners for the programs aired when they are listening, and remit that number along with 33centsperhourperlistener. so yes not only are they being forced to pay this bloody mess they're supposed to digg their own graves to do it. _____________________
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Ann Launay
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Join date: 8 Aug 2006
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07-09-2007 16:56
The arist presumably got paid good money for signing a contract that gave distribution rights to the RIAA. He says snarky things about the RIAA fairly regularly...among other things, there's binary code printed on the newest CD which supposedly invites them to go f*ck themselves. And, the thing is, his marketing people at Interscope were well aware of the thumb drive promotion, as well as the other 'viral' advertising he chose to do this time around. It just seems silly that the RIAA is going against the wishes of the artist and label they're supposed to be 'protecting.' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWMyfM4y0Hs _____________________
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Join date: 29 Jul 2006
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07-09-2007 17:12
and to reiterate ...
use Indie music , http://www.dmusic.com, and any other indie music that is freely down loadable (legal mind you not bit torrent  ) Pod safe music with the permission of the artist, Creative Commons Licensed music.. There are many more great musicians out there than those that are major lable signed, get permission to play them and make the RIAA DIE!!!!!! _____________________
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Kascha Matova
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Join date: 30 Mar 2007
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07-09-2007 17:22
F*** the RIAA and if your DJing its Fair use if you own the music PERIOD, if you are running a "web Radio station" you will get caught. If you are A DJ or a Live Musician how do they know the difference??? how do they know what I am streaming to a sim? they Have no idea, if I am not public, and by god SL isn't Public. what if I'm just talking over the mic for 8 hours ? they dont know what Im doing unless I am advertised in 1. the shoutcast YP or 2. all over the web. And My shoutcast server is from my box to a relay server all un advertised there is not going to be the man looking for 500$ walking around SL or sniffing my computers ports. This "law" ha ! is to shut down the small timers like Twister and Phreak, and up to the web stations in the US that are giving the corporate owned a run for there advertising dollar has nothing to do with a DJ. EDITED* as these are based on radio a shoutcast is not radio. this law is so wacked where was this you posted before that I cant play my bands music? with out paying ??? or all the music at DMusic.com that is free for my use as the bands and artist want me to play them? there is none so if anyone is afraid of the big bad RIAA and CAA use non RIAA music that is better than the crap that the major record companies try to spoon feed us anyway my humps my humps my god this song sucks. ' http://www.boycott-riaa.com/ I love you Distilled! WOOOHOO! Rock on baby ; -D !!! |