Newbie needs ultrabasic land info
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Kidd Krasner
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05-21-2007 07:51
From: Hiawatha Cronenwerth Of course it was a "will you do my homework for me" question. They're the best kind.
I'm a reporter by trade. I plow through reams of paper or dozens of web pages when necessary, but that's the chump's way of doing research. Yet it's language like this that justifies the first response, by putting down people who actually do the work. But let me give a slightly different answer. Buying land in SL is complex, counterintuitive, tricky, potentially expensive. My advice to anyone who starts out with "Newbie needs land info" is to wait three months until you're no longer a newbie. Once you're ready, learn to use all of the research tools, and spend a lot of time reading. An answer can only be ultrabasic by leaving out lots of stuff, some of which may be crucial to your circumstances. Going through a brand name real estate office may actually work well without much effort, but do you know anyone who's done so? I don't, I don't recall reading any actual experiences here, and I wouldn't assume that just because they're a brand name that they're knowledgeable and competent.
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Hiawatha Cronenwerth
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05-21-2007 08:27
Now, now. By "the chump's way of doing research," I meant that a journalist working on deadline would have to be an utter chump to read through hundreds of forum posts. We don't have time. For those who do have time, it's a fine thing to do. And if you enjoy such things, God bless you.
Still, doing all these searches is like re-inventing the wheel. If somebody already knows the answer, you can find out faster by tossing out a question. So why not do just that?
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Lord Steadham
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05-21-2007 08:48
From: Hiawatha Cronenwerth Now, now. By "the chump's way of doing research," I meant that a journalist working on deadline would have to be an utter chump to read through hundreds of forum posts. We don't have time. For those who do have time, it's a fine thing to do. And if you enjoy such things, God bless you.
Still, doing all these searches is like re-inventing the wheel. If somebody already knows the answer, you can find out faster by tossing out a question. So why not do just that? I won't answer that question for you. Please do a search using the keywords "chump" and "tossing". 
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Cristalle Karami
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05-21-2007 08:53
From: Hiawatha Cronenwerth Now, now. By "the chump's way of doing research," I meant that a journalist working on deadline would have to be an utter chump to read through hundreds of forum posts. We don't have time. For those who do have time, it's a fine thing to do. And if you enjoy such things, God bless you.
Still, doing all these searches is like re-inventing the wheel. If somebody already knows the answer, you can find out faster by tossing out a question. So why not do just that? Because it's inconsiderate. It's much easier to address the trickier nuances than to rewrite the knowledge base every day.
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bilbo99 Emu
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05-21-2007 08:53
From: Lord Steadham I won't answer that question for you. Please do a search using the keywords "chump" and "tossing".  Strangely, do that in Google comes up with Boston Red Sox 
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Cortex Draper
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05-21-2007 09:20
From: Hiawatha Cronenwerth For now, I think I'd be better off renting. I want some office space, by the way--nothing residential. But are there ways of knowing where the best real estate is to be found? In a world in which people can teleport to any destination, does location really matter? Since you have a premium account which supports 512 square meters of mainland land included in its price. buying on the mainland is cheaper than renting (apart from the initial outlay for the land) If you are buying you should expect to pay maybe 9L$ to 10L$ per square meter and definetly no more than 15 L$ per square meter unless there is something really special about the land. If you decide to move later you can sell the land for about the same price you bought it for or whatever the market will allow. So a 512 piece of land at 10L$ per square meter would cost 5120 lindens. The best land is waterfront land and land surrounded by as much protected land as possible. Land is also better if its fairly flat as its hard to build on a mountainside.
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Elex Dusk
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05-21-2007 09:31
From: Hiawatha Cronenwerth Now, now. By "the chump's way of doing research," I meant that a journalist working on deadline would have to be an utter chump to read through hundreds of forum posts. We don't have time. For those who do have time, it's a fine thing to do. And if you enjoy such things, God bless you.
Still, doing all these searches is like re-inventing the wheel. If somebody already knows the answer, you can find out faster by tossing out a question. So why not do just that? According to journalistic ethics you have an obligation to "seek reliable sources." By declining to search, for whatever reasons, you're closing yourself off to a source of accurate information (articles in the Knowledge Base; pre-existing threads about the subject) out of sheer laziness. In a newsroom, this would be a violation of "accuracy and standards for factual reporting."
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Joseph Abel
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05-21-2007 09:39
I think the reliabilty of the publication may dictate the need for accurate reporting, and thorough research done by the reporter...
So, people tend to run with what they are used to...
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Kidd Krasner
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05-21-2007 09:40
From: Elex Dusk According to journalistic ethics you have an obligation to "seek reliable sources." By declining to search, for whatever reasons, you're closing yourself off to a source of accurate information (articles in the Knowledge Base) out of sheer laziness. In a newsroom, this would be a violation of "accuracy and standards for factual reporting." I wouldn't read that into the statement. I thought that when he said this, he was talking in general and not specifically about SL, and that he'd cross-check answers. Depending upon the question and the forum, the answers could be extremely reliable. Nor do I attribute it to laziness. Rather, it's a lowering of standards in news media that puts speed ahead of quality (not unlike software companies that ship before the product is done). Short deadlines encourage reporters to seek shortcuts, even when it sacrifices quality. "Accuracy and standards" has been replaced by "get it out asap, make sure you haven't committed libel, and do what you can before deadline to get reasonably close to the truth"
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ForestMist Skjellerup
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05-21-2007 09:43
Let's see, I don't think the tier system has been specifically been mentioned, Hiawatha. Just in case you don't quite have these details, you can go to: http://secondlife.com/whatis/landpricing.php , and find the tier system explained in detail. That explains what it means to be entitled to find and buy 512 on the mainland without extra tier charges. With tier charges, you can buy more if you want. Have fun. -Fo
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Dnali Anabuki
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05-21-2007 09:45
Hiawatha, I do think location matters and it is important who your neighbors are; it will colour your experience in SL very differently if you are somewhere lovely or ugly.
Please IM me inworld and I'll show you around the new continents which are really the fastest running and least expensive. They are also some very beautiful neighborhoods.
My neighbors are a sufi counselor, a lawyer specializing in virtual property rights, a French architect and an awesome woman from Trinidad. Its like multicultural heaven by the beach!
As well you might check out the Ethics Group..I would be interested in a reporter's view.
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Kidd Krasner
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05-21-2007 09:47
From: Hiawatha Cronenwerth Now, now. By "the chump's way of doing research," I meant that a journalist working on deadline would have to be an utter chump to read through hundreds of forum posts. That's exactly the way I interpreted your sentence, and I stand by my comment. You're denigrating reporters and others who put forth such effort. From: someone We don't have time. For those who do have time, it's a fine thing to do. And if you enjoy such things, God bless you.
Actually, you do have the time. The news isn't going away, and while the variety of sources provided by the internet can make people better informed, the speed at which the information gets out hasn't improved the quality of the news over fourty or fifty years ago. What you don't have is the management support for taking the time, nor do you have the will to take a stand and say that the quality of your work is more important than an unnecessarily aggressive deadline.
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Meade Paravane
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05-21-2007 09:49
Please don't feed the trolls.
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Hiawatha Cronenwerth
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05-21-2007 12:06
You guys are a hoot.
But how is it inconsiderate to ask a question? If you don't want to answer it, don't. I've been doing this online for about 15 years, and I still haven't figured out why somebody's harmless question goads some onliners into a frenzy of grumpiness. Why waste time and bandwidth denouncing somebody for daring to ask a question?
As for the claim that it's just reinventing the wheel to go over something that's already been answered, anybody who's spent a half-hour doing Google searches should know better. Of course, the question's already been answered by somebody, somewhere, but God help you as you try to find that answer. It can take hours without a shortcut. And the obvious, easy shortcut is to ask a question.
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